I was there at city hall until 11:45 pm for the victory of no data center. Now, a proposed ballpark. I have concerns again about bright park lights being in peoples' backyards, noise, and traffic. We have to succumb to something at some point i guess. What are your thoughts?
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There is no way that a baseball complex should be built there. The baseball issue needs to be resolved by private developers.
I'm ok with the city spending HOT money on a baseball complex but are you saying they're putting that in the BUSINESS PARK in Midtown? From a financial perspective somehow this is worse than the data center. No permanent jobs and no property tax revenue. Shirley that's not the plan.
Why?
Stucco said:
Why?
Because they failed putting the Baseball park at the dump site. CoCS senior staff never learns from its mistakes.
Bad idea then (that cost us $$$) and bad idea now, that will cost us $$$$.
https://www.kbtx.com/2023/08/25/college-station-discontinues-plans-texas-independence-ballpark/
Is this in addition to or in lieu of the new baseball facilities at Veteran's?
The dust hasn't even settled from the data center, and they're already onto the next thing?
The dust hasn't even settled from the data center, and they're already onto the next thing?
If they put ball fields in, they should be multi-use like Bryan Travis Park so they can be used for softball or baseball.
Yep. For the Bombers. And then I'd imagine little league teams. Look at my link i posted below.
It appears that way. See link i posted.
bobcat90 said:
It appears that way. See link i posted.
Oh perfect, I hadn't looked at it. Was just going off what I saw online.
I know I'm in the minority, but I'm all for this. When my son played travel ball, Bachman fields were terrible. I know they are redoing them (especially the bathrooms), but BCS is such a prime location for travel sports. Having a daughter in softball now, we travel 2 weekends a month.
I hope they will put them at Midtown instead of Veterans.
I guess I am an outlier, but I think this is an amazing idea.
As a current baseball parent who knows the struggles of lack of fields around town, this would provide fields for locals kids to use during the week. Their proposal even includes free local use during the week.
Weekend tournaments will bring in teams from around the state and put "heads in beds". If you have ever gone to one of the travel ball tournaments in Waco, Houston, Austin, etc… you'd see that they generate a lot of revenue. You have teams come in who need places to stay, places to eat, places to shop (because someone will always leave a piece of gear at home), etc…
This will generate tax revenue, and spur growth in the midtown area for restaurants and other shopping.
For those worried about it being in someone's backyard, look at the drawings. There is a pretty good barrier from the fields to any housing. Games aren't going to go all night long. And the park can put restrictions on teams playing loud music. It won't be any worse than the houses that are currently close to the high school stadiums.
It looks like it would be a public/private partnership in which the City will have to make some decisions about the land. But unlike most other city parks, this one would be a revenue creator.
For those worried about softball fields, I don't know the fields plans, but it's definitely possible to make them multi use like the Travis fields in Bryan. Most turf fields are now designed that way.
If we want to be able to compete with Bryan's midtown, this is a great step forward. Bryan only has 3 fields in Travis Park (4 if you count the bomber field), so they are limited in how many teams they can bring in every weekend. This proposal would double or triple the amount of teams that can come in for a weekend tournament.
You are never going to get 100% buy in from the public and there will always be a few who complain about ANYTHING being proposed for that area, but some growth is good for the majority and needs to be considered for the long term growth of the City.
As a current baseball parent who knows the struggles of lack of fields around town, this would provide fields for locals kids to use during the week. Their proposal even includes free local use during the week.
Weekend tournaments will bring in teams from around the state and put "heads in beds". If you have ever gone to one of the travel ball tournaments in Waco, Houston, Austin, etc… you'd see that they generate a lot of revenue. You have teams come in who need places to stay, places to eat, places to shop (because someone will always leave a piece of gear at home), etc…
This will generate tax revenue, and spur growth in the midtown area for restaurants and other shopping.
For those worried about it being in someone's backyard, look at the drawings. There is a pretty good barrier from the fields to any housing. Games aren't going to go all night long. And the park can put restrictions on teams playing loud music. It won't be any worse than the houses that are currently close to the high school stadiums.
It looks like it would be a public/private partnership in which the City will have to make some decisions about the land. But unlike most other city parks, this one would be a revenue creator.
For those worried about softball fields, I don't know the fields plans, but it's definitely possible to make them multi use like the Travis fields in Bryan. Most turf fields are now designed that way.
If we want to be able to compete with Bryan's midtown, this is a great step forward. Bryan only has 3 fields in Travis Park (4 if you count the bomber field), so they are limited in how many teams they can bring in every weekend. This proposal would double or triple the amount of teams that can come in for a weekend tournament.
You are never going to get 100% buy in from the public and there will always be a few who complain about ANYTHING being proposed for that area, but some growth is good for the majority and needs to be considered for the long term growth of the City.
I don't think you'll be in the minority. I think many parents may be thrilled that it's closer to where they live should it be used for little league which i assume.
doubledog said:Stucco said:
Why?
Because they failed putting the Baseball park at the dump site. CoCS senior staff never learns from its mistakes.
Bad idea then (that cost us $$$) and bad idea now, that will cost us $$$$.
https://www.kbtx.com/2023/08/25/college-station-discontinues-plans-texas-independence-ballpark/
This location is very close to the original proposal and is already owned by the city. There is no initial cash required as before.
And yes, they (we) botched the previous run at ball fields. But that means there are a lot of eyes on it and they (we) are not likely to make the same mistakes.
Stucco said:doubledog said:Stucco said:
Why?
Because they failed putting the Baseball park at the dump site. CoCS senior staff never learns from its mistakes.
Bad idea then (that cost us $$$) and bad idea now, that will cost us $$$$.
https://www.kbtx.com/2023/08/25/college-station-discontinues-plans-texas-independence-ballpark/
This location is very close to the original proposal and is already owned by the city. There is no initial cash required as before.
And yes, they (we) botched the previous run at ball fields. But that means there are a lot of eyes on it and they (we) are not likely to make the same mistakes.
Ok fool me once...
These fields won't be city run
Way I read it is it's a private company / person wanting the city to foot the bill and land for them to build a massive complex and run their private business out of.
Won't be controlled by the city but rather a private business/ entity.
If the city approves that they are dumber than I thought.
And everyone saying " it will bring massive amounts of teams here"
In theory possibly but most of the Houston area teams that play at Baseball USA and Premier have no reason to leave fields in their backyard and travel here . And even if they do most are driving back and forth and not spending night.
People always mention Franklin Ranch as well, Franklin Ranch pretty much loses $ on tournaments. They don't make much $ if anything , they will tell you that themselves.
Premier baseball in Tomball is same. And again overwhelming majority of teams playing there as well as Baseball USA in Houston are sleeping in their own beds at night.
Reality is there are more travel teams at the 8u-HS level within 75 miles of BCS than anywhere else in the state. Austin / Dallas / Waco doest come close to the # of teams located within our radius.
There are probably more teams/ organizations in the BCS area alone per capita than anywhere else in the state. Again hosting tournaments here is not gonna bring in big money to hotels.
And those complexes were far less than the proposal of this complex. And neither was built with the city paying the bills. Baseball USA and Premier were both private built entities , Franklin Ranch complex is owned by Franklin ISD and was built with oil/ gas $.
Again I don't even personally see how the city can entertain this idea.
Is there a need for more field - sure.
Is giving a private entity / individual $15 million and donating/ leasing the land and them having control over said facility to run their business out of solving any of the existing problems - not really.
Way I read it is it's a private company / person wanting the city to foot the bill and land for them to build a massive complex and run their private business out of.
Won't be controlled by the city but rather a private business/ entity.
If the city approves that they are dumber than I thought.
And everyone saying " it will bring massive amounts of teams here"
In theory possibly but most of the Houston area teams that play at Baseball USA and Premier have no reason to leave fields in their backyard and travel here . And even if they do most are driving back and forth and not spending night.
People always mention Franklin Ranch as well, Franklin Ranch pretty much loses $ on tournaments. They don't make much $ if anything , they will tell you that themselves.
Premier baseball in Tomball is same. And again overwhelming majority of teams playing there as well as Baseball USA in Houston are sleeping in their own beds at night.
Reality is there are more travel teams at the 8u-HS level within 75 miles of BCS than anywhere else in the state. Austin / Dallas / Waco doest come close to the # of teams located within our radius.
There are probably more teams/ organizations in the BCS area alone per capita than anywhere else in the state. Again hosting tournaments here is not gonna bring in big money to hotels.
And those complexes were far less than the proposal of this complex. And neither was built with the city paying the bills. Baseball USA and Premier were both private built entities , Franklin Ranch complex is owned by Franklin ISD and was built with oil/ gas $.
Again I don't even personally see how the city can entertain this idea.
Is there a need for more field - sure.
Is giving a private entity / individual $15 million and donating/ leasing the land and them having control over said facility to run their business out of solving any of the existing problems - not really.
I like the idea of ball fields there. I think the private proposal currently on the table is not the right path.
Folks with opinions on both sides need to do more than just talk about it on TexAgs.
While I know city staffers and council read TexAgs, the only one who engages with us regularly is Yancy.
You need to show up Thursday, and let your voice be heard. Deadline for speaking is noon. You register here. https://www.cstx.gov/your-government/city-council/speak-before-council/
The ballpark is item 8.1
I will be speaking on this workshop item. My opinion is this - While baseball complex beats the heck out of Bitcoin mine, I find it odd that this proposal is listed before the next item - The next item, (8.2) is talking about community engagement workshops on the overall Midtown plan. We are getting the cart before the horse yet again.
Maybe this is the best idea in the history of ideas, maybe not. I know that considering this before community involvement is not the right order of things. So, I am urging Council to pump the brakes a little on the ballpark complex, and let the community involvement play out. Hit pause on the Veteran's plans until we get all this worked through.
While I know city staffers and council read TexAgs, the only one who engages with us regularly is Yancy.
You need to show up Thursday, and let your voice be heard. Deadline for speaking is noon. You register here. https://www.cstx.gov/your-government/city-council/speak-before-council/
The ballpark is item 8.1
I will be speaking on this workshop item. My opinion is this - While baseball complex beats the heck out of Bitcoin mine, I find it odd that this proposal is listed before the next item - The next item, (8.2) is talking about community engagement workshops on the overall Midtown plan. We are getting the cart before the horse yet again.
Maybe this is the best idea in the history of ideas, maybe not. I know that considering this before community involvement is not the right order of things. So, I am urging Council to pump the brakes a little on the ballpark complex, and let the community involvement play out. Hit pause on the Veteran's plans until we get all this worked through.
The subject property is the 300 acres behind Costco. Owned by you if you're a College Station taxpayer. The city paid approximately $300k for it years ago (unconfirmed) in order for it to be designed as the next College Station business park. The business park south of Pebble Creek elementary is now full and sold out to the private sector at a significant return to the taxpayers.
The proposed NEW use for the 300 acres is a combination business park AND a mainly private sector development of 9 ballfields. The $55-60m ballfield complex would be paid for by the private sector to the tune of approximately 75% of the $60m. The developer is asking for 80 acres of land to be sold or dirt leased (like Tamu and Century Square) and $15m (approximately) in capital contribution. The 9 fields would all be constructed simultaneously and one would be a championship field seating approximately 3,800 people.
Combo ball fields and business parks are compatible uses throughout the US and are relatively common. Hooded lights and field placement could be employed to minimize light pollution to adjacent neighborhoods.
Complicating variables which do pose challenges are:
1) a road has to be built to access the tract.
2) the city has already committed to, and in design stage for, 3 ballfields at veterans park in the approximate amount of $30m. The design contract work, which has been awarded, is not yet complete. The city could belay all 3 veterans park fields, or scrap the smaller flanking fields and leave the championship field, which is designed so as to comfortably accommodate 7 on 7, soccer, softball, baseball, and a variety of other events such as festivals, concerts, et al.
3) the city has agreements in place with the Midtown development that has accumulated funds, not yet payable, from a TIRZ and an Econ dev agreement that may, or may not, be applied toward this private sector ballfield proposal.
4) the city had committed to looking at the completion of town lake drive to the highway. We did this during capital planning during the budget process. It may or may not be possible to do all of these things.
5) tomorrow night we will discuss initiating a Midtown Area Plan to re-imagine a proper vision for Midtown.
This will be a complex decision ultimately, involving many variables at stake in the Midtown District. As one member of council, I like a tapestry of variables and the ability to be flexible and craft a great vision that captures the will of the bosses. I think the right solution is buried in here. It just needs to be unearthed.
Respectfully yours
Yancy '95
The proposed NEW use for the 300 acres is a combination business park AND a mainly private sector development of 9 ballfields. The $55-60m ballfield complex would be paid for by the private sector to the tune of approximately 75% of the $60m. The developer is asking for 80 acres of land to be sold or dirt leased (like Tamu and Century Square) and $15m (approximately) in capital contribution. The 9 fields would all be constructed simultaneously and one would be a championship field seating approximately 3,800 people.
Combo ball fields and business parks are compatible uses throughout the US and are relatively common. Hooded lights and field placement could be employed to minimize light pollution to adjacent neighborhoods.
Complicating variables which do pose challenges are:
1) a road has to be built to access the tract.
2) the city has already committed to, and in design stage for, 3 ballfields at veterans park in the approximate amount of $30m. The design contract work, which has been awarded, is not yet complete. The city could belay all 3 veterans park fields, or scrap the smaller flanking fields and leave the championship field, which is designed so as to comfortably accommodate 7 on 7, soccer, softball, baseball, and a variety of other events such as festivals, concerts, et al.
3) the city has agreements in place with the Midtown development that has accumulated funds, not yet payable, from a TIRZ and an Econ dev agreement that may, or may not, be applied toward this private sector ballfield proposal.
4) the city had committed to looking at the completion of town lake drive to the highway. We did this during capital planning during the budget process. It may or may not be possible to do all of these things.
5) tomorrow night we will discuss initiating a Midtown Area Plan to re-imagine a proper vision for Midtown.
This will be a complex decision ultimately, involving many variables at stake in the Midtown District. As one member of council, I like a tapestry of variables and the ability to be flexible and craft a great vision that captures the will of the bosses. I think the right solution is buried in here. It just needs to be unearthed.
Respectfully yours
Yancy '95
MyNameIsJeff said:
Is this in addition to or in lieu of the new baseball facilities at Veteran's?
The dust hasn't even settled from the data center, and they're already onto the next thing?
We couldn't control the private sector proposal. It came when it came. They were going to put it in Millican. When the data center failed (thankfully) it opened up this opportunity for discussion. I know it feels like we're lurching and careening from one policy to the other- but they approached us- not the other way around.
Additionally- I think it's fair to say this idea comes from the citizens in and around Midtown. It's been a private sector / citizen initiated proposition.
Respectfully
Yancy '95
Buford T. Justice said:
There is no way that a baseball complex should be built there. The baseball issue needs to be resolved by private developers.
This is the private sector. ~75% as proposed, anyway.
Respectfully
Yancy '95
LOYAL AG said:
I'm ok with the city spending HOT money on a baseball complex but are you saying they're putting that in the BUSINESS PARK in Midtown? From a financial perspective somehow this is worse than the data center. No permanent jobs and no property tax revenue. Shirley that's not the plan.
The business park must remain in my opinion. A quiet office park and ballfields are compatible uses. Not supporting, not opposed. I'm gonna hear them out and ask a lot of questions. But I think there's opportunity in here to create jobs, generates sports tourism and get more bang for the taxpayers' buck if we're thoughtful and put citizens first. Fair?
Respectfully
Yancy '95
Bob Yancy said:Buford T. Justice said:
There is no way that a baseball complex should be built there. The baseball issue needs to be resolved by private developers.
This is the private sector. ~75% as proposed, anyway.
Respectfully
Yancy '95
Here is a thought, how about the private sector buys (or leases) the land from CoCS and then the private sector pays 100% as proposed.
Hornbeck said:
Folks with opinions on both sides need to do more than just talk about it on TexAgs.
While I know city staffers and council read TexAgs, the only one who engages with us regularly is Yancy.
You need to show up Thursday, and let your voice be heard. Deadline for speaking is noon. You register here. https://www.cstx.gov/your-government/city-council/speak-before-council/
The ballpark is item 8.1
I will be speaking on this workshop item. My opinion is this - While baseball complex beats the heck out of Bitcoin mine, I find it odd that this proposal is listed before the next item - The next item, (8.2) is talking about community engagement workshops on the overall Midtown plan. We are getting the cart before the horse yet again.
Maybe this is the best idea in the history of ideas, maybe not. I know that considering this before community involvement is not the right order of things. So, I am urging Council to pump the brakes a little on the ballpark complex, and let the community involvement play out. Hit pause on the Veteran's plans until we get all this worked through.
I don't like the timing either. It makes it look like we're lurching and careening from one policy proposal to the next. But the private sector came to us when they saw the data center fail, and the Midtown citizens picked up the ball and started running with it. This is driven by business and citizens and the private sector is willing to pony up 75% of the $60m and give us public access in a Public Private Partnership. (P3)
I think we need to be flexible and hear this out.
Respectfully
Yancy '95
doubledog said:Bob Yancy said:Buford T. Justice said:
There is no way that a baseball complex should be built there. The baseball issue needs to be resolved by private developers.
This is the private sector. ~75% as proposed, anyway.
Respectfully
Yancy '95
Here is a thought, how about the private sector buys (or leases) the land from CoCS and then the private sector pays 100% as proposed.
We could demand that. But city programming and public access would be lost. Additionally, under a dirt lease it could remain a taxpayer owned asset after lease expiration.
Your point is a good one, but it does come at a cost as well.
Respectfully
Yancy '95
Good feedback but if you guys really want to make this user friendly and profitable, remove the championship field/seating. That won't pay for itself. Instead have 10 scalable fields. Ideally 5 primarily baseball and 5 primarily softball but they can handle overload, if necessary, with the right planning. Add in a very large indoor cage with at least 10 large cages. Banger concessions with good restrooms and parking and you can keep it busy 7 day per week.
1Aggie99 said:
Good feedback but if you guys really want to make this user friendly and profitable, remove the championship field/seating. That won't pay for itself. Instead have 10 scalable fields. Ideally 5 primarily baseball and 5 primarily softball but they can handle overload, if necessary, with the right planning. Add in a very large indoor cage with at least 10 large cages. Banger concessions with good restrooms and parking and you can keep it busy 7 day per week.
Thanks for that constructive feedback.
Respectfully
Yancy '95
Bob Yancy said:LOYAL AG said:
I'm ok with the city spending HOT money on a baseball complex but are you saying they're putting that in the BUSINESS PARK in Midtown? From a financial perspective somehow this is worse than the data center. No permanent jobs and no property tax revenue. Shirley that's not the plan.
The business park must remain in my opinion. A quiet office park and ballfields are compatible uses. Not supporting, not opposed. I'm gonna hear them out and ask a lot of questions. But I think there's opportunity in here to create jobs, generates sports tourism and get more bang for the taxpayers' buck if we're thoughtful and put citizens first. Fair?
Respectfully
Yancy '95
I'm interested in the plan to create that sports tourism. We travelled a ton for baseball and volleyball but the key was us traveling. There's not a reason for a family in even Tomball to come here when there's a good tournament closer to home. If it's a private entity taking that risk I'm good with that. I think the city needs to own it and the operators lease and maintain it. See below for why.
Now if they want to build a destination like a Big League Dreams that's potentially a different conversation. Teams will travel to a place like that for the experience. On the other hand there used to be one of those in Mansfield and while the facility is still there it's not affiliated with BLD anymore. A quick search shows that Mansfield owned and BLD operated the facility until 2023 when BLD missed a payment and Mansfield terminated the contract. The article cited maintenance concerns as well. My point though is that I think this town needs more than just "come play in Aggieland" to get teams to travel here.
Good luck with this. I love baseball and agree we need more fields for kids. I just don't want it to be done at the expense of land that's more business and thus taxpayer friendly.
LOYAL AG said:Bob Yancy said:LOYAL AG said:
I'm ok with the city spending HOT money on a baseball complex but are you saying they're putting that in the BUSINESS PARK in Midtown? From a financial perspective somehow this is worse than the data center. No permanent jobs and no property tax revenue. Shirley that's not the plan.
The business park must remain in my opinion. A quiet office park and ballfields are compatible uses. Not supporting, not opposed. I'm gonna hear them out and ask a lot of questions. But I think there's opportunity in here to create jobs, generates sports tourism and get more bang for the taxpayers' buck if we're thoughtful and put citizens first. Fair?
Respectfully
Yancy '95
I'm interested in the plan to create that sports tourism. We travelled a ton for baseball and volleyball but the key was us traveling. There's not a reason for a family in even Tomball to come here when there's a good tournament closer to home. If it's a private entity taking that risk I'm good with that. I think the city needs to own it and the operators lease and maintain it. See below for why.
Now if they want to build a destination like a Big League Dreams that's potentially a different conversation. Teams will travel to a place like that for the experience. On the other hand there used to be one of those in Mansfield and while the facility is still there it's not affiliated with BLD anymore. A quick search shows that Mansfield owned and BLD operated the facility until 2023 when BLD missed a payment and Mansfield terminated the contract. The article cited maintenance concerns as well. My point though is that I think this town needs more than just "come play in Aggieland" to get teams to travel here.
Good luck with this. I love baseball and agree we need more fields for kids. I just don't want it to be done at the expense of land that's more business and thus taxpayer friendly.
Copy that. I appreciate the data and I'll research Mansfield. This whole episode strikes me as a Dynamic Command & Control exercise as the USAF calls it- or Agile Combat Employment. We started out with one mission, which was Ill-fated from the sounding gun, I thought. Now we have an interesting opportunity to discuss and a flexibility in mission that COULD potentially benefit the taxpayers, our kids, and Midtown in one stroke. We shall see.
Thanks for the feedback. Want to get it right.
Yancy '95
Bob Yancy said:LOYAL AG said:Bob Yancy said:LOYAL AG said:
I'm ok with the city spending HOT money on a baseball complex but are you saying they're putting that in the BUSINESS PARK in Midtown? From a financial perspective somehow this is worse than the data center. No permanent jobs and no property tax revenue. Shirley that's not the plan.
The business park must remain in my opinion. A quiet office park and ballfields are compatible uses. Not supporting, not opposed. I'm gonna hear them out and ask a lot of questions. But I think there's opportunity in here to create jobs, generates sports tourism and get more bang for the taxpayers' buck if we're thoughtful and put citizens first. Fair?
Respectfully
Yancy '95
I'm interested in the plan to create that sports tourism. We travelled a ton for baseball and volleyball but the key was us traveling. There's not a reason for a family in even Tomball to come here when there's a good tournament closer to home. If it's a private entity taking that risk I'm good with that. I think the city needs to own it and the operators lease and maintain it. See below for why.
Now if they want to build a destination like a Big League Dreams that's potentially a different conversation. Teams will travel to a place like that for the experience. On the other hand there used to be one of those in Mansfield and while the facility is still there it's not affiliated with BLD anymore. A quick search shows that Mansfield owned and BLD operated the facility until 2023 when BLD missed a payment and Mansfield terminated the contract. The article cited maintenance concerns as well. My point though is that I think this town needs more than just "come play in Aggieland" to get teams to travel here.
Good luck with this. I love baseball and agree we need more fields for kids. I just don't want it to be done at the expense of land that's more business and thus taxpayer friendly.
Copy that. I appreciate the data and I'll research Mansfield. This whole episode strikes me as a Dynamic Command & Control exercise as the USAF calls it- or Agile Combat Employment. We started out with one mission, which was Ill-fated from the sounding gun, I thought. Now we have an interesting opportunity to discuss and a flexibility in mission that COULD potentially benefit the taxpayers, our kids, and Midtown in one stroke. We shall see.
Thanks for the feedback. Want to get it right.
Yancy '95
Save you a minute.
https://www.mansfieldrecord.com/articles/mansfield-terminates-contract-with-big-league-dreams
Franklin ISD owns the Ranch. I'm sure they lease it out to Texas Premier or whoever runs a tourney there. Franklin Hs use the property for tournaments and they play games out at the ranch. I know they run their little league out there too. There is no lost money. The property is already paid for in full and since it's a government owned property I thought they aren't paying taxes.
in my opinion, the perfect location for any new baseball parks is the multiple properties that are currently on the market, directly east of Veterans Park.
(I am not a realtor, nor do I have the $$$ to buy the land. If I win the lottery on Friday, I will, so keep that in your back pocket.)
The location is PRIME, and could serve so many baseball related purposes.
(I am not a realtor, nor do I have the $$$ to buy the land. If I win the lottery on Friday, I will, so keep that in your back pocket.)
The location is PRIME, and could serve so many baseball related purposes.
I don't understand all of the people wanting all of these additional softball fields? I've seen responses on here and also some on Facebook…in fact the responses I was reading on FB were about 7 out of 10 wanting softball over baseball. We already have Central Park and the ones at Veterans Park. Tournaments are always at Central for sure and those bring in A LOT of teams, which is great!
Am I missing something else with softball? Do we have that huge of a demand for local softball to use more softball fields??
I will say I am definitely all in favor of wanting a good facility/place for baseball tournaments.
Am I missing something else with softball? Do we have that huge of a demand for local softball to use more softball fields??
I will say I am definitely all in favor of wanting a good facility/place for baseball tournaments.
Is there any actual serious thought about a baseball academy and having 100 students attending school there? IS this like an IMG academy type situation?