CS City Council Place 5: Midtown Area Plan - Feedback Sought

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Craig Regan 14
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Craig Regan 14 said:

If I have said this once I will say it a million more times:

Nearly all of those things outlined in that presentation are beyond councils immediate ability to control.

Significant help would be required on the funding side for initial start up and even running of those programs from the Federal or State government.

However, what I do not see is what council can do, measurably, in the near term/medium to achieve policy goals.

Zoning this little area or that little area is "going to war by inches" -- to borrow a phase.

This, our economy, needs local dollars to stay local. Nothing different than keeping water here... 'fiscal irrigation' anyone? We are an island in a rural sea and this intimates the necessity for a more self sustaining fiscal model.

If you want local business to start, you need the capital (money) in the economy that provides the market to do so. These points from the consultant are putting the cart WAY WAY before the horse.

We can talk all day about how wonderful small and local businesses should be here but WHAT MONEY is there in the private market to spend on those dream'y' small businesses.

The answer is NONE. Zero. So why would any small business start here if they do not have customers.

We have to end this financial one way street where money - tax dollars - are scooped out of the economy and sent else where.

Again... if we do not want water (necessary for life) leaving why would we want money (necessary for prosperity) leaving? ~40%+ of a taxed dollar in COCS goes -- leaves forever -- in the form of debt payments.

It is a simple fact that unless addressed will not lead to anything but the spinning of wheels.

GiG'em

and if to really make my point....

https://www.kbtx.com/2025/10/16/more-restaurant-closures-leave-bryan-college-station-workers-searching-jobs/

We NEED money back in the economy. Stop strangling employees from jobs that they need to ... outta know... pay bills and still have something left over to put into the economy.

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Bob Yancy said:

Sports Anchored Business Park @ College Station's Midtown (300 acres)

1) Business park consisting of higher density office lots with a focus on small to medium sized businesses (SMBs) with an economic development overlay in cooperation with the Greater Brazos Partnership (GBP). In the event larger businesses want in, flexibility for combining lots for larger buildings allowed. Strong marketing campaign entices job creators to "locate your HQ here." Fountain. Trails. Greenspace. Vibe. Jobs jobs jobs. Sell the lots to generate property tax revenue.

2) Youth Baseball and Softball Complex, designed right. Ground lease the land in a mostly private sector development. Conveys back to taxpayer upon expiration of lease. During ensuing decades, private sector management and maintenance. Public Private Partnership (P3) promotion of facility for travel ball tournament destination.

3) Mixed Use Retail on the 28 acres next to Costco, and incentivized at the Town Lake Drive and Midtown Drive intersection area. (Near and around the Midtown Lake (big pond, really)) Restaurants, shops, walkable.

4) Texas Independence Park - press on with current plan, with a focus on connectivity, particularly pedestrian connectivity between Texas Independence Park and the Midtown Sports & Business Park.

5) City to make further infrastructure investment in the district it insisted on creating over a decade ago. Specifically:

a) Connect Town Lake to the highway. Wake the area up. Commit to connectivity.

b) city invests in district gateway signage that was highlighted as so crucial by our own consultant years ago. (See image).

c) Brand the Rock Prairie water tower when it's due for repainting.

d) complete the full width of Midtown Drive on a reasonable timeline because, well, it's awkward and arguably unsafe.


#1 - This is a tough one when you consider the long term. We have a long-term need for an industrial business park; however, I don't think that's the place for it. Industrial business park is more like those on 2818 and Jones Road.

I know there is a battle about remote work going on. Everyday, anti-remote work from home people are retiring and pro remote work people are entering the workforce and also becoming managers. It also won't be long when the companies that ban remote work change their minds because they will not have enough employees. Couple that with AI and the workforce 10 years from now and the workforce 10 years from now could look a lot different. So long term commercial office space could be a tricky investment.

To me this would all have to be done private.

#2 - I am not completely opposed; however, I think you are asking the wrong people on this one. Of course, locals want the park here; however, that is not our target market.

We need to ask teams in the Houston, Austin, and Waco metros. When my kids played both high school and Calvary Soccer; they hardly played any soccer games at Veterans Park with Calvary. They were mostly at the big complexes in Cypress and Round Rock.

College Station was not even a meet in the middle destination and the other teams just came up here once or twice a season because everyone else was closer.

I know each league is different. Travel is tough on parents; especially if you have multiple kids doing sports. Just put yourself in the other teams shoes. After a busy week do you want to drive past 5 different sports complexes you could play at to get to College Station? We don't have much for middle schoolers and teens to do here; especially for out of towners where they have more to offer.

If it was 100% private, I would be 100% in. Because the risk/reward is on them.

#3 - Sounds good at face value. If its all privately funded; go ahead and put the 28 acres up for auction now.

#4 - Not 100% opposed to it. I think there is sort of a hybrid solution with this here. Maybe scale it way down, put some of those funds into Lick Creek Park Upgrades. A scaled down version of this blends in very well with option #3 right above this one (Mixed Retail…) and add some residential and one day maybe a middle school / fire station / police substation etc.

#5 - If that's the case, the city just needs to sell it; however, people in the city do not want to hear that.

#5a - There needs to be an actual purpose besides wake the area up. Not opposed to it depending on what happens above. To me this is not a build it and they will come project.

#5b - I think the consultant is the only one who cares about signage.

#5c - Same thing as #5b, no one will care what the water tower art is unless its terrible. The city has way too much bureaucracy to make something funny or even cute. Just keep it simple "Welcome to College Station" or something like that.

#5d - Same as my comment in #5a. This construction should be done with a purpose in mind; even if it's a bit of a mess now. Since Midtown seems like a priority, lets not change something twice in a short amount of time.


There is my 2 cents for now. I am sure things will change.
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Koko Chingo said:

Bob Yancy said:

Sports Anchored Business Park @ College Station's Midtown (300 acres)

1) Business park consisting of higher density office lots with a focus on small to medium sized businesses (SMBs) with an economic development overlay in cooperation with the Greater Brazos Partnership (GBP). In the event larger businesses want in, flexibility for combining lots for larger buildings allowed. Strong marketing campaign entices job creators to "locate your HQ here." Fountain. Trails. Greenspace. Vibe. Jobs jobs jobs. Sell the lots to generate property tax revenue.

2) Youth Baseball and Softball Complex, designed right. Ground lease the land in a mostly private sector development. Conveys back to taxpayer upon expiration of lease. During ensuing decades, private sector management and maintenance. Public Private Partnership (P3) promotion of facility for travel ball tournament destination.

3) Mixed Use Retail on the 28 acres next to Costco, and incentivized at the Town Lake Drive and Midtown Drive intersection area. (Near and around the Midtown Lake (big pond, really)) Restaurants, shops, walkable.

4) Texas Independence Park - press on with current plan, with a focus on connectivity, particularly pedestrian connectivity between Texas Independence Park and the Midtown Sports & Business Park.

5) City to make further infrastructure investment in the district it insisted on creating over a decade ago. Specifically:

a) Connect Town Lake to the highway. Wake the area up. Commit to connectivity.

b) city invests in district gateway signage that was highlighted as so crucial by our own consultant years ago. (See image).

c) Brand the Rock Prairie water tower when it's due for repainting.

d) complete the full width of Midtown Drive on a reasonable timeline because, well, it's awkward and arguably unsafe.


#1 - This is a tough one when you consider the long term. We have a long-term need for an industrial business park; however, I don't think that's the place for it. Industrial business park is more like those on 2818 and Jones Road.

I know there is a battle about remote work going on. Everyday, anti-remote work from home people are retiring and pro remote work people are entering the workforce and also becoming managers. It also won't be long when the companies that ban remote work change their minds because they will not have enough employees. Couple that with AI and the workforce 10 years from now and the workforce 10 years from now could look a lot different. So long term commercial office space could be a tricky investment.

To me this would all have to be done private.

#2 - I am not completely opposed; however, I think you are asking the wrong people on this one. Of course, locals want the park here; however, that is not our target market.

We need to ask teams in the Houston, Austin, and Waco metros. When my kids played both high school and Calvary Soccer; they hardly played any soccer games at Veterans Park with Calvary. They were mostly at the big complexes in Cypress and Round Rock.

College Station was not even a meet in the middle destination and the other teams just came up here once or twice a season because everyone else was closer.

I know each league is different. Travel is tough on parents; especially if you have multiple kids doing sports. Just put yourself in the other teams shoes. After a busy week do you want to drive past 5 different sports complexes you could play at to get to College Station? We don't have much for middle schoolers and teens to do here; especially for out of towners where they have more to offer.

If it was 100% private, I would be 100% in. Because the risk/reward is on them.

#3 - Sounds good at face value. If its all privately funded; go ahead and put the 28 acres up for auction now.

#4 - Not 100% opposed to it. I think there is sort of a hybrid solution with this here. Maybe scale it way down, put some of those funds into Lick Creek Park Upgrades. A scaled down version of this blends in very well with option #3 right above this one (Mixed Retail…) and add some residential and one day maybe a middle school / fire station / police substation etc.

#5 - If that's the case, the city just needs to sell it; however, people in the city do not want to hear that.

#5a - There needs to be an actual purpose besides wake the area up. Not opposed to it depending on what happens above. To me this is not a build it and they will come project.

#5b - I think the consultant is the only one who cares about signage.

#5c - Same thing as #5b, no one will care what the water tower art is unless its terrible. The city has way too much bureaucracy to make something funny or even cute. Just keep it simple "Welcome to College Station" or something like that.

#5d - Same as my comment in #5a. This construction should be done with a purpose in mind; even if it's a bit of a mess now. Since Midtown seems like a priority, lets not change something twice in a short amount of time.


There is my 2 cents for now. I am sure things will change.


That's quality feedback thank you. Were I still a CEO the remote work wouldn't fly with me. My employees each had a 3 day weekend per month and I was proud to have enacted that policy, but to be remote at all times would've been a bridge too far to me. But your point about AI resonates. Of course, if AI becomes so prominent we don't build office space anymore we're going to have systemic issues far beyond one modestly size biz park.

I have visited with several out of town baseball aficionados and most everyone says our central location makes travel ball a worthwhile pursuit for College Station, but I'm not discounting your feedback and for that reason I'm grateful the private sector is willing to fund a supermajority of the ballfield construction cost.

Respectfully yours

Yancy '95
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In my current job, it cannot be done remotely so I haven't really experienced remote work. We do not have many employers here who offer it; however, I know many remote workers who live here that work for larger companies. And those companies do not have any offices anywhere near BCS.

Remote work is a big source of tension at a lot of places and companies are in a tough spot because it was proven during COVID that a lot of jobs could be done remotely.

The city of College Station already has some bad history investing in a business closed by Remote Work. ViaSat had an economic development agreement with the city of College Station. the city also spent almost a million dollars on moving utilities for them.

I am not poking the city in the ribs on that one, because the deal was signed pre-COVID and it was because of COVID that their employees went remote. And they found it could work for them so they didn't need to hire local. No one was ready for COVID.

Same for the Wayfair call center in Bryan.

Now that remote work has been going on all over since COVID we have to take that into consideration when trying to attract certain types of businesses. I do think the more younger people we get into the workforce the stronger the push for remote work. Especially at businesses who have proven they could pull it off during COVID.

For the fields its great that private business wants to make the investment, i would like to see the cities commitment a lot less. I also think if we build extra baseball/softball fields, the city should change/upgrade the parks where they currently play. If there are a bunch new fields then remove (after the new fields are built) at places like Lemon Tree, Central Park. then install more amenities geared towards the larger part of the population that lives in the area versus just one aspect.

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Koko Chingo said:

In my current job, it cannot be done remotely so I haven't really experienced remote work. We do not have many employers here who offer it; however, I know many remote workers who live here that work for larger companies. And those companies do not have any offices anywhere near BCS.

Remote work is a big source of tension at a lot of places and companies are in a tough spot because it was proven during COVID that a lot of jobs could be done remotely.

The city of College Station already has some bad history investing in a business closed by Remote Work. ViaSat had an economic development agreement with the city of College Station. the city also spent almost a million dollars on moving utilities for them.

I am not poking the city in the ribs on that one, because the deal was signed pre-COVID and it was because of COVID that their employees went remote. And they found it could work for them so they didn't need to hire local. No one was ready for COVID.

Same for the Wayfair call center in Bryan.

Now that remote work has been going on all over since COVID we have to take that into consideration when trying to attract certain types of businesses. I do think the more younger people we get into the workforce the stronger the push for remote work. Especially at businesses who have proven they could pull it off during COVID.

For the fields its great that private business wants to make the investment, i would like to see the cities commitment a lot less. I also think if we build extra baseball/softball fields, the city should change/upgrade the parks where they currently play. If there are a bunch new fields then remove (after the new fields are built) at places like Lemon Tree, Central Park. then install more amenities geared towards the larger part of the population that lives in the area versus just one aspect.




Fair enough. Thanks for that feedback.

Respectfully

Bob Yancy '95
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Did anyone go to the meeting on Tuesday?
hydes11
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I went! 77 people were in attendance!
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Bob Yancy said:

By the time you connect trails with the neighborhoods and the sports anchored business park and Texas Independence Park, you've got a fantastic trailway system second to none!

Fun stuff to contemplate! How truly special this area could be.



Regarding the idea of contemplating how special the area could be...

Has there been any discussion about incorporating the retired landfill? Other cities have turned former dump sites into parks, and this could be an opportunity to expand Independence Park. Even if the timeline is long, it would be helpful to start the conversation with Brazos Solid Waste and the City about the site's future.

In the meantime, early actions like restoring vegetation could set the stage for eventual use.

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Sub4 said:

Bob Yancy said:

By the time you connect trails with the neighborhoods and the sports anchored business park and Texas Independence Park, you've got a fantastic trailway system second to none!

Fun stuff to contemplate! How truly special this area could be.



Has there been any discussion about incorporating the retired landfill?

There are actually two old landfills in the Midtown area.
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Sub4 said:

Bob Yancy said:

By the time you connect trails with the neighborhoods and the sports anchored business park and Texas Independence Park, you've got a fantastic trailway system second to none!

Fun stuff to contemplate! How truly special this area could be.



Regarding the idea of contemplating how special the area could be...

Has there been any discussion about incorporating the retired landfill? Other cities have turned former dump sites into parks, and this could be an opportunity to expand Independence Park. Even if the timeline is long, it would be helpful to start the conversation with Brazos Solid Waste and the City about the site's future.

In the meantime, early actions like restoring vegetation could set the stage for eventual use.




I can visit with the director of BVSWMA, who is a great guy running a tight ship, about vegetation. I've previously visited with him about building on the landfill and that will never be possible, as I recall. I always thought that was not a wise place to put a landfill, but of course it's done now.

Respectfully

Yancy '95
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I can understand not being able to build on the landfill, but I assume that wouldn't exclude trails and walking paths? The mountain biking and trail running community would love some elevation to play with.
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You can definitely build on an old landfill, there is just quite a bit more hoops to jump through. Most of it is laid out in TAC 330.
Here is a current project being built on an old landfill in Dallas.
https://therealdeal.com/texas/2025/11/18/creation-developing-logistics-hub-on-old-dallas-landfill/
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cslifer said:

You can definitely build on an old landfill, there is just quite a bit more hoops to jump through. Most of it is laid out in TAC 330.
Here is a current project being built on an old landfill in Dallas.
https://therealdeal.com/texas/2025/11/18/creation-developing-logistics-hub-on-old-dallas-landfill/


I think it's dependent upon the landfill type first, and even if you can build, you have to wait decades as I recall, only to be faced with engineering challenges that often make it prohibitively expensive… but I'm not a landfill expert by any means.

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Yancy '95
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Bob Yancy said:


1) Business park consisting of higher density office lots with a focus on small to medium sized businesses (SMBs) with an economic development overlay in cooperation with the Greater Brazos Partnership (GBP). In the event larger businesses want in, flexibility for combining lots for larger buildings allowed. Strong marketing campaign entices job creators to "locate your HQ here." Fountain. Trails. Greenspace. Vibe. Jobs jobs jobs. Sell the lots to generate property tax revenue.

It sounds nice but I have a feeling that they'll use city kickbacks while they import actual employees from Austin/Houston/Dallas, California, or overseas.

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a) Connect Town Lake to the highway. Wake the area up. Commit to connectivity.


I've seen the "stub" Town Lake Drive, which is disappointing as it just dead-ends onto the frontage road as Midtown Drive does. It would be nice to connect Town Lake Drive to Barron Road. The whole way the road grid doesn't really connect it to places it should is quite frustrating...I made a new topic on it to avoid derails in other topics but got no takers.


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So, there you have it. Council has discussed all of these items in part and parcel, but a mini-planning / visioning session is about to kick off for Midtown and I thought an encapsulation of those discussions was warranted in a clean, new post.

Years ago, there were planning/vision settings for other neighborhoods, but those got archived and forgotten about, even as those begin to change. It would be nice if the city officially drew out full districts and kept with those names and themes rather than just some vague "districts" and tax zones (if I recall "South Knoll Area" was bounded by George Bush Drive, Wellborn Road, Harvey Mitchell Parkway, and Texas Avenue, with "Central College Station" bounded by Harvey Mitchell Parkway, FM 2154, Rock Prairie Road, and Texas Avenue/Highway 6).
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PS3D said:

Bob Yancy said:


1) Business park consisting of higher density office lots with a focus on small to medium sized businesses (SMBs) with an economic development overlay in cooperation with the Greater Brazos Partnership (GBP). In the event larger businesses want in, flexibility for combining lots for larger buildings allowed. Strong marketing campaign entices job creators to "locate your HQ here." Fountain. Trails. Greenspace. Vibe. Jobs jobs jobs. Sell the lots to generate property tax revenue.

It sounds nice but I have a feeling that they'll use city kickbacks while they import actual employees from Austin/Houston/Dallas, California, or overseas.

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a) Connect Town Lake to the highway. Wake the area up. Commit to connectivity.


I've seen the "stub" Town Lake Drive, which is disappointing as it just dead-ends onto the frontage road as Midtown Drive does. It would be nice to connect Town Lake Drive to Barron Road. The whole way the road grid doesn't really connect it to places it should is quite frustrating...I made a new topic on it to avoid derails in other topics but got no takers.


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So, there you have it. Council has discussed all of these items in part and parcel, but a mini-planning / visioning session is about to kick off for Midtown and I thought an encapsulation of those discussions was warranted in a clean, new post.

Years ago, there were planning/vision settings for other neighborhoods, but those got archived and forgotten about, even as those begin to change. It would be nice if the city officially drew out full districts and kept with those names and themes rather than just some vague "districts" and tax zones (if I recall "South Knoll Area" was bounded by George Bush Drive, Wellborn Road, Harvey Mitchell Parkway, and Texas Avenue, with "Central College Station" bounded by Harvey Mitchell Parkway, FM 2154, Rock Prairie Road, and Texas Avenue/Highway 6).


It's semi-applicable to what you're saying, but we have a study going on right now and the Econ dev firm we hired recommends a district approach. And further removed but related, I think we need a student district formalized and possibly not just one.

There's no doubt events have overtaken us, and growth of the university is a big driver of that. No reason we can't proactively work to address these things, though.

Thanks for the feedback!

Respectfully

Yancy '95
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