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Example #3,554,968 of how crazy D/FW housing market is

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Friend of mine just listed this house.

Only 2100 sq ft - way out in Celina - asking $635,000 - will get a dozen offers over list price this weekend.

https://www.godaleorealty.com/listing/mlsid/173/propertyid/20009581/source/crm/?fbclid=IwAR3a40pQ80wC08rbqrsk13EuUV2Ko2pr6t_ZlP11HrdIbeKu4E6AYmRG170





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$302/sf is wild
riverrataggie
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Especially on .14 acres.

Wtf.
Killin Me Smalls
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Insane. That's $100k more than we built our semi-custom 4000 sq ft house in middle of Frisco in 2013.
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I've never liked the garage in front.


Also, there's already a thread for this topic.
Spaceship
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double aught said:

I've never liked the garage in front.


Also, there's already a thread for this topic.

Yeah but the garage door looks like a rustic chic barn so it's cool
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Original thread for Outrageous Housing in the Metroplex

https://texags.com/forums/37/topics/3275581/3#discussion
PDEMDHC
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LOL for a highland home?!?

That's $4100+ a month mortgage for a 2000 SF home in quasi BFE if you put 20% down.

This will no longer happen come end of Summer/fall.
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Carlo4 said:



This will no longer happen come end of Summer/fall.


Man I disagree. I think this prolongs throughout 2022 at least. Inventory ain't getting any better any time soon
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Buyers remorse will be coming for a lot of new homeowners in the not too distant future.
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That house is in my neighborhood. Ask me anything lol.

Just wait till y'all see the prices on the upcoming 40ft lots they are planning to build in this next phase coming up later this spring.
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FincAg said:

Original thread for Outrageous Housing in the Metroplex

https://texags.com/forums/37/topics/3275581/3#discussion

No, title of that thread specifically says North Dallas. This is in Celina.
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Is the job market along the tollway really that hot? And is that what's driving this market? Because remote workers that have their pick anywhere in the country surely would choose somewhere that's not 90+ degrees 5 months out of the year.
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Johnny04 said:

Is the job market along the tollway really that hot? And is that what's driving this market? Because remote workers that have their pick anywhere in the country surely would choose somewhere that's not 90+ degrees 5 months out of the year.

My guess is either you don't live in dfw or haven't read the news about north plano and frisco. Yes; the market is incredibly hot, typically noted as the top 1-3 markets in the US.
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I knew the dfw market was hot, but Celina is so far flung it surprised me. Makes sense if Frisco/NW Plano is a booming job hub.
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752bro4 said:

Johnny04 said:

Is the job market along the tollway really that hot? And is that what's driving this market? Because remote workers that have their pick anywhere in the country surely would choose somewhere that's not 90+ degrees 5 months out of the year.

My guess is either you don't live in dfw or haven't read the news about north plano and frisco. Yes; the market is incredibly hot, typically noted as the top 1-3 markets in the US.
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Had a client interested in submitting an offer on a house in Grapevine. It was a 2019 build, just under 3000sf , styled as modern farmhouse. Good looking property with all the trappings.

House was offered at $750K and we planned to offer 10% over ask. The winning offer was "north" of $900K.

Insanity.
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Street over from mine. 2019 build about 3700 Sq ft. House was listed on Thursday two weeks ago for $850k and got 38 offers over the first weekend. Winning bid was $1.02mil.

The original build price was probably around 500k. Highland home.
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Lake Highlands L Streets NOT in White Rock Elementary. Remodeled 1950s home. Started at $1.2mm not yet finished and went up to $1.24mm and is now pending.

https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/8634-Lockhaven-Dr_Dallas_TX_75238_M79951-30016

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This is not sustainable.
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FincAg said:

Lake Highlands L Streets NOT in White Rock Elementary. Remodeled 1950s home. Started at $1.2mm not yet finished and went up to $1.24mm and is now pending.

https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/8634-Lockhaven-Dr_Dallas_TX_75238_M79951-30016




A bit misleading with that picture. The finished house will he over 4,000 sq ft.
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Good point. Should ask 1.5m
FincAg
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They kept the pier and beam as well as most of the bones for the first floor and simply poured a slab for the master suite downstairs and appended a second story. It's a bit of a Frankenstein's monster. It's on our normal walking path and will post actual pictures another time.

The most I've seen in this neighborhood for a remodel. There's a 1.5mm around the corner but it also has a pool and basketball court.
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So you housing professionals - I keep seeing people say "this isn't sustainable". But my simple minded economics mind tells me the intersection of the supply and demand curves dictate cost.

Will the rise in interest rates cause the demand curve to shift? I hadn't looked in a while, but glanced this weekend and saw that mortgage rates have shot way up. I refinanced last year into a 15 year note at 2.25%. The going rate of a 15 year now is around 4.5%, 30 year is over 5.0%. That has to really be hammering people's expected mortgage note.
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wbt5845 said:

So you housing professionals - I keep seeing people say "this isn't sustainable". But my simple minded economics mind tells me the intersection of the supply and demand curves dictate cost.

Will the rise in interest rates cause the demand curve to shift? I hadn't looked in a while, but glanced this weekend and saw that mortgage rates have shot way up. I refinanced last year into a 15 year note at 2.25%. The going rate of a 15 year now is around 4.5%, 30 year is over 5.0%. That has to really be hammering people's expected mortgage note.
Will it shift the demand curve? Absolutely. But how much - who knows.

I'll say this - we are in a nationwide unprecedented inventory shortage. There just are not enough homes coming up for sale to help alleviate some of the pricing pressure. The national supply of homes just hit lowest levels and demand is still remarkably elevated.

Why is there a lack of homes? You can point out migration trends and work from home policies for sure. But the biggest reason I think the lack of home supply continues is rising rates, which is going to make the supply problem worse. If people don't want to sell now cause they have a 2.25% interest rate when today's rate would be 4.5%, what will they do when interest rates are even higher? You're not selling unless you have to.

If people aren't selling and builder's can't make the homes fast enough - supply isn't going to get better and demand is always going to be there. Millennials are finally ready to buy homes as they have kids and need space. The Zoomer's are right behind in terms of also having kids. Then you have investors also snapping them up (how many of you Texags'ers have a rental home or two?) to rent.

I don't think we see any relief on the horizon. We may not be seeing 20-25% price growth year over year - but you're still likely to see high single digits, maybe even a bit higher. I also want to point out the fact that there is tons of people on the sidelines with some cash wanting to buy but waiting until the market dips. So any slowdown is going to be met with an uptick and the party never ends. We will see if the economy slides into a recession can have a bigger effect.
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I remember buying our 1480 square feet on the m streets in 2010 thinking as long as one day it's 200 per square I'll be golden
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Thank you for that insight. My son and his fiance fall into that sideline category right now - patiently saving and waiting.
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wbt5845 said:

Thank you for that insight. My son and his fiance fall into that sideline category right now - patiently saving and waiting.
I've got a few friends who are pregnant with their first kids and their wives aren't happy to bet setting up nursery's in a 2bed/2bath apartment. They'd love to buy a house but not close to dollars saved and that target goal grows more every year.
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So then aren't they over extending themselves then? Look I might act old here, but I'm still only 39. Unless you got 20% you shouldn't be looking at a house.

Hell even a six figure salary can't afford Celina anymore?
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riverrataggie said:

So then aren't they over extending themselves then? Look I might act old here, but I'm still only 39. Unless you got 20% you shouldn't be looking at a house.

Hell even a six figure salary can't afford Celina anymore?
The problem now appears to be that even if you have 20% down you are getting beaten out by all cash offers for over list or you can't bridge the gap between appraisal and price for financing approval.
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powerbelly said:

riverrataggie said:

So then aren't they over extending themselves then? Look I might act old here, but I'm still only 39. Unless you got 20% you shouldn't be looking at a house.

Hell even a six figure salary can't afford Celina anymore?
The problem now appears to be that even if you have 20% down you are getting beaten out by all cash offers for over list or you can't bridge the gap between appraisal and price for financing approval.


Who has these all cash offers? Only about 1% of American families, even less have cash to make out right offers on homes. I would say less than 1% for homes 500k or more. Is this companies like black rock and other firms driving this?

This reminds me of that show dopesick. Feels as if the banks, market, govt l, agents, etc are making up crap to fuel their own market.

Maybe we call this breakthrough pricing.
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We have never put more than 10% on a home especially with interest rates as low as they are, just include the payment in your emergency fund calculation. We have never sold a home so price going up or down hasn't effected us. If you think you will want to sell in under 7 years maybe go 20%
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Jay Hurst has a program to let you make a cash offer that uses their/the banks cash. Elite coastal migrants, hedge funds buying and holding and programs like Jays are all introducing "cash" into the equation
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Keeper of The Spirits said:

Jay Hurst has a program to let you make a cash offer that uses their/the banks cash. Elite coastal migrants, hedge funds buying and holding and programs like Jays are all introducing "cash" into the equation
This, and parents putting up the cash for their kids.
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There are a lot of people moving to North Texas from the West Coast with cash offers. I'm curious who is buying all those homes in the West Coast because there are definitely more going than coming there.
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