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Potential Keller ISD split

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Yesterday
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"After months of vetting, we've identified a major obstacle: managing our existing bond debt. The district currently carries over $700 million in debt from previous bonds. Under a reshaping scenario, distributing this old debt fairly would require tens of millions in additional funding -- resources we simply do not have," the district wrote. "This added financial burden would not best serve the Keller ISD students and community."

Ha!! Another 10 million dollar bond is nothing and would pass instantly if it was for "the kids". That's a cop out excuse if I have ever heard one. And good lord, 700 million in debt?? A little late to worry about more debt.
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The issue is how to divvy up the debt if the district were to have split. The most recent bond allotment built multiple new elementary schools, constructed a college prep. academy, and built four indoor sports facilities for each HS. They reached out to investors to cover the debt but no one wants to invest in a school district considering all the problems the state is having. School districts across the state, even those in affluent areas, continue to have budget shortfalls and are consolidating/closing schools, cutting staffing, and reducing programs. Keller has tried to avoid all of these cuts but with the split off the table now, they are going to have to make tough decisions. Those against the split think this is a win but in reality everyone gets hurt because now the school board is going to be faced with some very difficult decisions. the second wealthiest school district in the state, Southlake, sold their admin building to a residential developer, is consolidating multiple elementary schools and middle schools to cover a $27 MM budget shortfall. This is an example of what school districts are dealing with.
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MByrd03 said:

The issue is how to divvy up the debt if the district were to have split. The most recent bond allotment built multiple new elementary schools, constructed a college prep. academy, and built four indoor sports facilities for each HS. They reached out to investors to cover the debt but no one wants to invest in a school district considering all the problems the state is having. School districts across the state, even those in affluent areas, continue to have budget shortfalls and are consolidating/closing schools, cutting staffing, and reducing programs. Keller has tried to avoid all of these cuts but with the split off the table now, they are going to have to make tough decisions. Those against the split think this is a win but in reality everyone gets hurt because now the school board is going to be faced with some very difficult decisions. the second wealthiest school district in the state, Southlake, sold their admin building to a residential developer, is consolidating multiple elementary schools and middle schools to cover a $27 MM budget shortfall. This is an example of what school districts are dealing with.


Remind me. Why are there shortfalls in districts like Southlake?
Yesterday
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Because we send something like 20 million a year back to the state and the state hasn't adjusted the per student allotment that we get since 2019 or something like that. So even though we have tons of money, most of it gets taken and we get severely depreciated credits.

The school board also doesn't want to pass bonds so we're tightening our budget and selling access property to make ends meet.

That's the general synopsis anyhow. I'm not an expert.
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The governor is obsessed with vouchers (why??) and is holding money for ransom until he gets his way.
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Wealthier school districts have to pay a specific % to the state under the Robinhood Act to fund lower income school districts. In reality those funds just go to the states general education fund. As previously mentioned the states per student allotment hasn't increased since 2019 and we've seen significant inflation since then so school districts can't keep up. Also, the state has adjusted real estate taxes and capped how much local appraisal districts can increase values annually, thus decreasing tax dollars for school districts. As far as Abbott's voucher program, there is a Texas billionaire that is pushing vouchers and has funded Abbott's campaign and many other republican governors across the country. Despite my efforts, I haven't been able to find justification for the need or benefits of the vouchers. $10k a school year won't fund full private school tuition so lower income families won't benefit. Feels like a "tax break" for those that can afford private schools and can apply the voucher to what they already pay. May help middle income families but most private schools don't have the capacity for all these new kids nor would I think the parents of those already attending these schools would want to see class sizes expanded.
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Agreed. Vouchers are a bad deal for almost every segment of the Texas population.
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Yesterday said:

Because we send something like 20 million a year back to the state and the state hasn't adjusted the per student allotment that we get since 2019 or something like that. So even though we have tons of money, most of it gets taken and we get severely depreciated credits.

The school board also doesn't want to pass bonds so we're tightening our budget and selling access property to make ends meet.

That's the general synopsis anyhow. I'm not an expert.
Heard the Southlake superintendent speak on this earlier this year, and this pretty well sums it up. Robinhood - whether you support it or not - is the culprit. I really like the superintendent, by the way. Nice guy, knows his stuff.

The consolidation in Carroll ISD is likely to bump us back into 5A in the near future (next few years, I think) according to him. Don't mind that really.
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Why would school consolidation play any role in the 9-12 population?

If growth has slowed down and the creeping 5A-6A ;line passes SLC, so be it. But that has nothing to do with consolidation.
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I don't know...I'm just telling you what he told our group

I grew up outside of Texas so the UIL format has been somewhat Greek to me. My best guess is that this infers some shrinkage in student population (if I understand how it works).
MByrd03
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I don't believe districts such as Southlake or Keller (actual city of Keller that is) have decreasing enrollment due to consolidation but instead due to being land locked so development is limited and also the cost of housing in these areas continues to increase. Neither district are seeing as much inflow of new residents as they did the prior 10-years. Also, districts such as Northwest are seeing significant growth because they have much more available land for development as well as cost of housing is less.
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Hincemm said:

Yesterday said:

Because we send something like 20 million a year back to the state and the state hasn't adjusted the per student allotment that we get since 2019 or something like that. So even though we have tons of money, most of it gets taken and we get severely depreciated credits.

The school board also doesn't want to pass bonds so we're tightening our budget and selling access property to make ends meet.

That's the general synopsis anyhow. I'm not an expert.
Heard the Southlake superintendent speak on this earlier this year, and this pretty well sums it up. Robinhood - whether you support it or not - is the culprit. I really like the superintendent, by the way. Nice guy, knows his stuff.

The consolidation in Carroll ISD is likely to bump us back into 5A in the near future (next few years, I think) according to him. Don't mind that really.


What Carroll ISD consolidation? There haven't been any communications sent out on this topic?
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MByrd03 said:

The issue is how to divvy up the debt if the district were to have split. The most recent bond allotment built multiple new elementary schools, constructed a college prep. academy, and built four indoor sports facilities for each HS. They reached out to investors to cover the debt but no one wants to invest in a school district considering all the problems the state is having. School districts across the state, even those in affluent areas, continue to have budget shortfalls and are consolidating/closing schools, cutting staffing, and reducing programs. Keller has tried to avoid all of these cuts but with the split off the table now, they are going to have to make tough decisions. Those against the split think this is a win but in reality everyone gets hurt because now the school board is going to be faced with some very difficult decisions. the second wealthiest school district in the state, Southlake, sold their admin building to a residential developer, is consolidating multiple elementary schools and middle schools to cover a $27 MM budget shortfall. This is an example of what school districts are dealing with.



Ummmm. This is flat out not true. Southlake is not consolidating any elementary or middle schools. And what admin building are you talking about?

There's literally only two middle schools, of which my kid attends one. Not happening, where are you people getting this info?
MByrd03
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the old high school off Dove road, which is now an admin building, has been sold to a single family developer. I have spoken to many parents of kids in Southlake who have been told the school district is seriously considering combining middle schools and there is also discussion of consolidating elementary schools. I've also heard this from multiple teachers and coaches in the Southlake school district.
MByrd03
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also, the star telegram reported the sale of the admin building a few months back. I have friends who live behind there and they also confirmed the sale as they aren't happy with a plan to build 80 new single family homes on the site, which includes the old football field.
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MByrd03 said:

also, the star telegram reported the sale of the admin building a few months back. I have friends who live behind there and they also confirmed the sale as they aren't happy with a plan to build 80 new single family homes on the site, which includes the old football field.


That's the facility I was thinking it could be. Oh well. Shouldn't be surprised when you live next to unused land like an old football field and it gets sold for to a developer.
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MByrd03 said:

the old high school off Dove road, which is now an admin building, has been sold to a single family developer. I have spoken to many parents of kids in Southlake who have been told the school district is seriously considering combining middle schools and there is also discussion of consolidating elementary schools. I've also heard this from multiple teachers and coaches in the Southlake school district.


Haven't heard about consolidating schools from any source, and I highly doubt it will happen. Sounds like bored housewife rambling son Facebook to me.
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There has been a lot of talk about closing Durham which is a. Intermediate school. My kid goes there and my wife has attended the meetings. They would basically make the elementary schools to 5th grade and move 6th grade to intermediate
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I don't see how they get rid of the middle/intermediate schools. There are a plethora of elementary schools though. If population starts to decrease, i don't think it's out of the question to see an elementary school close.

I would reiterate though that the superintendent was pretty clear in his expectation that Carroll would go to 5a.

Way to go on hijacking this thread, Southlake!
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Yesterday said:

There has been a lot of talk about closing Durham which is a. Intermediate school. My kid goes there and my wife has attended the meetings. They would basically make the elementary schools to 5th grade and move 6th grade to intermediate


I stand corrected, cause this info source checks out. My apologies to Fishpond Manager MByrd. For what it's worth there haven't been any communications sent from CMS about this.
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Why Durham and not Eubanks?
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all good
Yesterday
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I think the plan was to close each intermediate and consolidate the respective grades into elementary or middle school. But I'm not 100%. They aren't using an entire hall at Durham.
 
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