Metroplex
Sponsored by

Mavericks announced they will build new stadium at the Valley View Mall site

5,603 Views | 67 Replies | Last: 2 days ago by Buford T. Justice
Red Pear Luke
User Profile
Private Message
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
4:15p, 6/1/26
Sponsor
AG
Should make the traffic at the DNT/635 Interchange absolutely chaotic...

Article: https://www.wfaa.com/article/sports/nba/mavericks/mavs-plan-arena-entertainment-complex-at-old-valley-view-mall-site-leaving-downtown-dallas/287-efff1369-f3f4-4353-9dda-ec7bc7cd3242
Reply Quote
fc2112
User Profile Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
4:48p, 6/1/26
Well, this is the worst kept secret in the Metroplex.

Next will be Stars to Plano?
Reply Quote
1
zag213004
User Profile Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
5:20p, 6/1/26
AG
I hope the stars stay in DTD. Us Fort Worth people love being able to go to the games. TRE is so convenient
Reply Quote
7
Trajan88
User Profile Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
6:18p, 6/1/26
AG
It is insane that the aac arena is being kicked to the curb.

I last attended an event at the aac a couple years ago arena (Roger Waters concert) ... it still seems relevant, modern (comparing it to Madison Square Garden... I attended a Nicks game at MSG in March).

What doesn't the aac have that the Stars &/or Mavs demand? Parking? More, bigger suites, larger concourses?
Reply Quote
5
walton91
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
6:28p, 6/1/26
Pretty sure I was promised aerial gondolas for the redevolped Valley View (checks notes) 13 years ago. I don't believe for a second Beck Ventures was just throwing sheet out there, there were artist renderings and everything!
Quote:
Yes, Scott has big plans to revamp "Midtown" but also connect it to the city. There will be hike and bike trails connecting to White Rock Lake, the parks, open spaces, a trolley system and Gondola rides to Galleria (what? Don't drop me on LBJ!), interactive water features throughout the development, including a wave pool and Ariel Show Fountains, two luxury hotels, upscale condos and rental apartments, office towers, 16 screen movie theater, boutiques, restaurant and entertainment venues

https://candysdirt.com/2013/04/04/lets-gondola-over-to-dallas-midtown-valley-view-shaping-up-as-a-community-in-north-dallas-2/
Reply Quote
3
aggiesherpa
User Profile Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
In reply to fc2112 • 7:21p, 6/1/26
AG
Do you think the recent smoke about city hall was to get a better deal at valley view?
Reply Quote
J.P. 03
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
In reply to Trajan88 • 7:25p, 6/1/26
AG
Trajan88 said:
What doesn't the aac have that the Stars &/or Mavs demand? Parking? More, bigger suites, larger concourses?

Land that can be developed so they're not "only" making money off the arena.
Reply Quote
11
NormanEH
User Profile Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
In reply to J.P. 03 • 9:45p, 6/1/26
Exactly. They want to own the real estate around the arena.

Ross Perot Jr owns everything around the aac.
Reply Quote
2
1 edit
walton91
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
In reply to NormanEH • 12:31a, 6/2/26
NormanEH said:
Exactly. They want to own the real estate around the arena.

Ross Perot Jr owns everything around the aac.

Cuban pretty much confirmed this when he sold to the Adelsons. He said owning a team wasn't so much about owning the team anymore. It's a real estate game now to help fund the team
Reply Quote
3
permabull
User Profile Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
In reply to J.P. 03 • 7:01a, 6/2/26
AG
J.P. 03 said:
Trajan88 said:
What doesn't the aac have that the Stars &/or Mavs demand? Parking? More, bigger suites, larger concourses?

Land that can be developed so they're not "only" making money off the arena.


It's also too easy to get to the AAC via Dart so they can't make as much on parking
Reply Quote
5
wangus12
User Profile Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
7:14a, 6/2/26
AG
Sports owners have to ruin everything. Constantly demanding new stadiums every 15-20 years so they can make more money while also making the taxpayers pay for most of the build
Reply Quote
17
Ag CPA
User Profile Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
12:10p, 6/2/26
AG
I get the Stars wanting to move to Collin County because that is where much of their fanbase lives, but besides the real estate motives discussed above this makes no sense.
Reply Quote
80085
User Profile Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
12:44p, 6/2/26
AG
They just scrapped a office tower and parking garage across lbj, wonder if that was related


I think its great for the area. VV used to be nice, now its all paper plates and homeless. Anything that cleans it up is welcome.

Preston 635 traffic already sucks so locals should already know a good bypass by now. would be nice if they could add another texpress exit right to the arena and skip the midway and inwood mess heading east
Reply Quote
1 edit
ftworthag02
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
4:46p, 6/2/26
AG
Now Stars are moving!
Reply Quote
drewser95
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
In reply to ftworthag02 • 5:09p, 6/2/26
AG
That one hurts more, personally
Reply Quote
1
MW03
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
5:23p, 6/2/26
AG
This is a lesson in vertical integration and how rich people make money for the metroplex.

Negotiate tax incentives from the city, get money from the city via bonds.
Use the bonds to buy the land.
Hire an architecture firm to design the buildings and plan a development on your land.
Hire your construction company to build them all.
Sell the buildings to your property holding company.
Have your holding company lease the stadium to your team, the land around it to your parking lot company, and all the businesses that want space nearby (e.g., apartments, hotels, restaurants, bars).
Collect money from attendance, concessions, parking.
Use that money to pay your rent to your holding company, along with the rents you collect from your other tennents.
Use that to pay the loans you gave yourself on the building construction.
Each company then takes the payments (to you) off the gross and pays the minimum they can in net taxes.

Reply Quote
6
Trajan88
User Profile Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
5:25p, 6/2/26
AG
With the new Plano Stars arena and McKinney amphitheater and Mavs at VV ... will be awesome to no longer having to drive to the ancient, dated Dos Equis/Smirnoff/Starplex amphitheater and the aac for concerts

Rock on. \m/
Reply Quote
1
PatAg
User Profile Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
In reply to Ag CPA • 5:42p, 6/2/26
AG
Ag CPA said:
I get the Stars wanting to move to Collin County because that is where much of their fanbase lives, but besides the real estate motives discussed above this makes no sense.

Is that even true, where do you get that fact from
Reply Quote
1
Matsui
User Profile Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
In reply to MW03 • 6:08p, 6/2/26
fc2112
User Profile Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
In reply to MW03 • 4:13a, 6/3/26
MW03 said:
This is a lesson in vertical integration and how rich people make money for the metroplex.

I wonder how long it'll take Jerry Jones to figure this out about his stadium here in Arlington.

The Rangers own and are developing the land around both these stadiums. It took long enough, but Texas Live!, the new hotels, the new convention center - the Rangers are piecing together that highly desired mixed use money maker.

The Death Star is 17 years old now.
Reply Quote
drewser95
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
In reply to fc2112 • 8:47a, 6/3/26
AG
Isn't that essentially what he's done with The Star in Frisco?
Reply Quote
6
MW03
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
In reply to drewser95 • 9:24a, 6/3/26
AG
drewser95 said:
Isn't that essentially what he's done with The Star in Frisco?


Yep. Blue Star Land, Blue and Silver Ventures, and Legends Hospitality.
Reply Quote
double aught
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
In reply to fc2112 • 6:18p, 6/3/26
AG
fc2112 said:


The Death Star is 17 years old now.
Embarrassingly ancient really.

And while we're at it, that ballpark out there is on the wrong side of five. Better start lining up some taxpayer dollars to replace it too.
Reply Quote
6
The Collective
User Profile Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
9:17a, 6/4/26
AG
Hope some place ridiculous like Denton offers the Jones family all the public monies for their next stadium.
Reply Quote
fc2112
User Profile Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
9:32a, 6/4/26
haha can you imagine if the Cowboys moved? We'd then have TWO obsolete stadiums sitting there.

The people whose homes got condemned to build Jerryworld are probably still alive. Maybe they could move back into the suites and live there again?
Reply Quote
2
Corps_Ag12
User Profile Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
In reply to fc2112 • 1:02p, 6/4/26
AG
fc2112 said:
haha can you imagine if the Cowboys moved? We'd then have TWO obsolete stadiums sitting there.

The people whose homes got condemned to build Jerryworld are probably still alive. Maybe they could move back into the suites and live there again?


Had a friend freshman year of high school who was one of those families. I imagine he still hates the Cowboys.
Reply Quote
akaggie05
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
1:33p, 6/4/26
AG
How long did Dallas keep Reunion Arena around before they finally imploded it, nearly 10 years limping along on indoor soccer and second-rate concerts? Reunion was built in 1980 and was used for 19 basketball seasons I believe, plus the Stars after they came to town in '93.

By the team both teams leave AAC in 2031 it will be 31-32 years old. A better run, but Reunion was crappy and obsolete basically the day it opened.
Reply Quote
1
80085
User Profile Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
In reply to akaggie05 • 8:29p, 6/4/26
AG
akaggie05 said:
How long did Dallas keep Reunion Arena around before they finally imploded it, nearly 10 years limping along on indoor soccer and second-rate concerts? Reunion was built in 1980 and was used for 19 basketball seasons I believe, plus the Stars after they came to town in '93.

By the team both teams leave AAC in 2031 it will be 31-32 years old. A better run, but Reunion was crappy and obsolete basically the day it opened.


what made it crappy and obsolete from 79-mid 90s? No Suites? Big pixel TV? I thought it was the best of the 3 until BPinA was built. Desperados were fun for once a season or so after AAC took over
Reply Quote
YouBet
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
12:36p, 6/5/26
AG
So, I guess the Mavs were offered IM Pei City Hall site but turned it down. Watching Dallas implode in real-time is pretty incredible.

Stars, Mavs, AT&T, Neiman Marcus, Fifth Third Bank (Comerica). Dallas County losing population for the first time in decades.

Will be damn near impossible to recover from this.
Reply Quote
wangus12
User Profile Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
In reply to YouBet • 1:06p, 6/5/26
AG
Not without drastic changes in how the city does things, but that won't happen.
Reply Quote
Trajan88
User Profile Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
In reply to 80085 • 11:34p, 6/5/26
AG
80085 said:
akaggie05 said:
How long did Dallas keep Reunion Arena around before they finally imploded it, nearly 10 years limping along on indoor soccer and second-rate concerts? Reunion was built in 1980 and was used for 19 basketball seasons I believe, plus the Stars after they came to town in '93.

By the team both teams leave AAC in 2031 it will be 31-32 years old. A better run, but Reunion was crappy and obsolete basically the day it opened.


what made it crappy and obsolete from 79-mid 90s? No Suites? Big pixel TV? I thought it was the best of the 3 until BPinA was built. Desperados were fun for once a season or so after AAC took over



Some on tne last concerts I attended at Reunion Arena: Rush (Power Windows tour I believe) and Van Halen (Balance tour).

Damn... that was a long time ago. I am old.
Reply Quote
80085
User Profile Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
In reply to YouBet • 6:39a, 6/6/26
AG
YouBet said:
So, I guess the Mavs were offered IM Pei City Hall site but turned it down. Watching Dallas implode in real-time is pretty incredible.

Stars, Mavs, AT&T, Neiman Marcus, Fifth Third Bank (Comerica). Dallas County losing population for the first time in decades.

Will be damn near impossible to recover from this.


VV is Dallas, and AAC isnt downtown
Reply Quote
1
YouBet
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
In reply to 80085 • 8:06a, 6/6/26
AG
80085 said:
YouBet said:
So, I guess the Mavs were offered IM Pei City Hall site but turned it down. Watching Dallas implode in real-time is pretty incredible.

Stars, Mavs, AT&T, Neiman Marcus, Fifth Third Bank (Comerica). Dallas County losing population for the first time in decades.

Will be damn near impossible to recover from this.


VV is Dallas, and AAC isnt downtown


Ok?
Reply Quote
1
MRB10
User Profile Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
8:12a, 6/6/26
AG
Some Dallas people get triggered when you attribute certain areas of Dallas to things not technically in that area.

It's stupid and comes off as extremely snobbish. I've found it's most common with people who grew up inside loop 12. Park cities, Lakewood, lake highlands, etc.
“There is no red.
There is no blue.
There is the state.
And there is you.”

“As government expands, Liberty contracts” - R. Reagan
Reply Quote
5
drewser95
User Profile
Private Message
Ignore User Stop Ignoring
How long do you want to ignore this user?
24 hours One week Permanently Cancel
In reply to MRB10 • 10:39a, 6/6/26
AG
MRB10 said:
Some Dallas people get triggered when you attribute certain areas of Dallas to things not technically in that area.

It's stupid and comes off as extremely snobbish. I've found it's most common with people who grew up inside loop 12. Park cities, Lakewood, lake highlands, etc.

You capitalize Lake Highlands or GTHO
Reply Quote
8
Page 1 of 2 ▼
 
×
subscribe Verify your student status
See Subscription Benefits
Trial only available to users who have never subscribed or participated in a previous trial.