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How did Cy Fair ISD become such a disaster?

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sts7049 said:

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Nobody is blaming SpEd students. It's a fact that is costs significantly more money to educate a special education student. Most people are uncomfortable with acknowledging this for some reason.
what percent of the overall spend is directed towards those programs?
I didn't dig too much into this document but its from Katy ISD.

https://tea.texas.gov/finance-and-grants/state-funding/additional-finance-resources/commission-on-special-ed-funding-kisd-april-2022.pdf
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Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

sts7049 said:

Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

Nobody is blaming SpEd students. It's a fact that is costs significantly more money to educate a special education student. Most people are uncomfortable with acknowledging this for some reason.
what percent of the overall spend is directed towards those programs?
I didn't dig too much into this document but its from Katy ISD.

https://tea.texas.gov/finance-and-grants/state-funding/additional-finance-resources/commission-on-special-ed-funding-kisd-april-2022.pdf

interesting find. i genuinely didn't expect the numbers to be so high. looks like from a quick search that's roughly 10% of the total budget?

still though, with the exception of the bilingual programs being part of this budget, i don't believe this is where we need to start a focus on cost management.
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Schools got fat on Covid monies that are now not available. Now they are scrambling to make up for their bad decisions and sugar high.

Add in the growth of children who's parents are not citizens you are adding a lot of demand.
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kubiak03 said:

Schools got fat on Covid monies that are now not available. Now they are scrambling to make up for their bad decisions and sugar high.

Add in the growth of children who's parents are not citizens you are adding a lot of demand.


Somewhat. All of the positions added with ESSR funds were dropped by the district I work in.
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kubiak03 said:

Schools got fat on Covid monies that are now not available. Now they are scrambling to make up for their bad decisions and sugar high.

Add in the growth of children who's parents are not citizens you are adding a lot of demand.
Covid the gift that keep on giving.

How bad did people **** their kid's future over Covid?

Laid waste to the global economy and the education system.

From what I'm hearing some of these kids are totally ****ed. Years behind on content and addicted to their phones.

One was telling me the other day that after about 10-minutes of phones put away the kids start jonesin'. Sys you can see it in their eyes. They got an itch that only looking at their phone can scratch.
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CorpsTerd04 said:

I hope all public k-12 education goes away completely. I drive by that monstrosity of a Performing Arts Center every day and say not another dime. My taxes are outrageous and none of my kids use these worthless schools. It must be torn down and rebuilt.

The Mark Henry, EdD Administration Building and Fine Arts Center? The one that the outgoing Superintendent got built and named after himself with one of those billion dollar (with a "b") bond packages? That one?

The way Cy Fair employees were promoting WITH PRIDE the billion dollar bond packages was so nauseating. Bond packages are a giant scam anyway, cooked up by vendors and consultants to maximize spend on their wares.

Break it all up. Cy Fair should be 4 districts. There are no economies of scale to be realized that justify the ponderous, unresponsive, lumbering, gargantuan district.
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We just went to a zero phones policy within our classes and I'm not seeing what you're describing. Many of the kids are glad that we're taking them away in class because they can't regulate their own behavior. To be fair, adults are just as bad.
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The bond scam is maddening to me.

My wife is a district admin and I won't vote for a bond simply because of the sheer amount of crap that gets slathered on them in order to make it appear that they magically can pass a billion dollar bond without taxes increasing. But if you read the fine print it turns out that a lot of political jargon and legaleese is used with some slight of hand tricks, which isn't shocking to anybody on this board I expect. Because there is absolutely no way you can say "taxpayers, give me a billion dollars" without the taxpayers footing the bill.

The last bond in our district was touted for a new CTE building and some other stuff. Which, admittedly, it was used on. But the super decided to cut a whole lot of scope out of a couple of the projects so he could have enough leftover money to go out and buy a new-to-the-district campus and building that he turned into the new ISD Administration headquarters. That wasn't part of the advertised bond proposal.

And, like every other district, the existing admin building won't be liquidated - they will use it for storage and to house a few offices because districts never sell off assets, even when they don't use them.
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Sounds like we need a state lottery and then we could use those funds for education.
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Pay teachers more and you will get better people in those roles. Remove the mountains of red tape from teachers and you get better people in those roles.
Make parents behave civilly towards teachers and you get better people in those roles.
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Get the state of Texas to fund public education properly. CY fair probably has its own issues with such a sizable short fall but it's not just them experiencing it. State leadership has failed in this area.
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PGAG said:

Pay teachers more and you will get better people in those roles. Remove the mountains of red tape from teachers and you get better people in those roles.
Make parents behave civilly towards teachers and you get better people in those roles.
And I would add that schools need to stop being social services centers and get back to educating students.
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One of the CFiSD board members posted this on social media.

Weekly Update: Post 1 of 2

Before I do my weekly post spotlighting great things happening around the district, I want to share some information about the district's current financial situation. As so many parents have become aware of, our school district like districts across the state has been underfunded by the state legislature, especially in areas of school safety, special education, teacher pay, and transportation.

Did you know that CFISD is in the bottom 10 out of 1200 school districts in terms of state funding? That's not bottom 10%....the bottom 10. Why? It's due to a part of the Texas school finance system that negatively impacts school districts that give a Local Optional Homestead Exemption (LOHE). In our case, CFISD provides an additional 20% reduction in your property value so that you pay less property taxes. This property tax relief for taxpayers is not rewarded by the state but is instead penalized.

Look at the graphic below. See the glass? The size of the glass is determined by the state it is our "entitlement". This is how much the state thinks we should have to run our school district (salaries, academics, athletics, fine arts, CTE, gas, electricity, insurance, etc). We do not have control over the size of the glass.

For CFISD, our glass is filled by about 45.8% from local property tax collections and 1.6% from federal funding. The state then makes up the difference to fill the glass through state funding which accounts for about 52.6%.

Here's the challenge. The CFISD funding glass is never filled.
The state finance system does not recognize the millions of property tax dollars not collected due to our LOHE. The state school finance system assumes we collected those tax dollars so when they allocate the state funding to fill the glass, they short pay us.
Last year, that amount was $62M for just one year.

So, why doesn't the CFISD board just get rid of the LOHE? The state legislature changed the law so that the LOHE cannot be reduced or eliminated until at least 2028.

So, why doesn't the state legislature change the law so that districts like CFISD are not penalized for offering a LOHE? Good question. Before I was on the board, I was a member of a local advocacy group that advocated for this change for many years. I have continued advocating for this change in state law, including during a visit to the state capitol along with other members of the CFISD board in April 2023.

Are there any other solutions? Yes. According to state law, the Commissioner of the Texas Education Agency can declare a surplus and thereby reimburse CFISD for of the loss in state funds due to our LOHE.
That would be about $31M for this school year.

This was discussed during the board meeting on Feb 12 (the video is archived on the district website). On March 14, I wrote emails to our elected state representatives asking them to encourage the TEA Commissioner to declare his surplus and reimburse CFISD for the lost funding, especially considering financial challenges for the upcoming school year. Our state Representatives collaborated to send a joint letter to the TEA Commissioner on May 6 asking him to reimburse the funding to CFISD. No action has been taken by the Commissioner to date. The deadline is August 31. When that deadline passes, the funds will just be put back into the large, multi-BILLION surplus at the state level.

I'm sorry this is so long. As many are finding out, school finance in Texas is very complicated.
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I 100% agree with you. And I spent 30 years in public education
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schmendeler said:

Get the state of Texas to fund public education properly. CY fair probably has its own issues with such a sizable short fall but it's not just them experiencing it. State leadership has failed in this area.
Funding.Is.Not.The.Problem

Just like with the federal government, it is a spending problem. Plain and simple.
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Withholding funding and cutting your own income is definitely a funding problem.
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kubiak03 said:

Schools got fat on Covid monies that are now not available. Now they are scrambling to make up for their bad decisions and sugar high.

Add in the growth of children who's parents are not citizens you are adding a lot of demand.
Agreed. The geniuses in Alief ISD added 4 positions with a new district car for each (Toyota Corolla or equivalent) for attendance and recovery purposes, all paid by ESSER funds. Now that ESSER funds are gone, the district did not renew those four positions and gave the cars to the Police Dept.

Guess what? They have to reimburse the federal government for all four cars and now four Alief PD officers are forced to drive a Toyota Corolla
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What do school police need to drive? A Carolla seems appropriate.
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Feels like a Cruze would be even better.

Do they still make smart cars?
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schmellba99 said:

Because there is absolutely no way you can say "taxpayers, give me a billion dollars" without the taxpayers footing the bill.
It doesn't mean taxes go up necessarily though. I've seen before a proposed bond that if it doesn't pass, the tax rate would drop, and if it passes, it stays the same.

So in that situation the district can absolutely truthfully say 'passing this bond will not increase taxes'

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Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

What do school police need to drive? A Carolla seems appropriate.
Ive seen Katy ISD police driving brand new Tahoes and Explorers. That definitely feels like wasteful spending there.
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62strat said:

schmellba99 said:

Because there is absolutely no way you can say "taxpayers, give me a billion dollars" without the taxpayers footing the bill.
It doesn't mean taxes go up necessarily though. I've seen before a proposed bond that if it doesn't pass, the tax rate would drop, and if it passes, it stays the same.

So in that situation the district can absolutely truthfully say 'passing this bond will not increase taxes'


Rate =/= taxes

That's one of those slight of hand, choose your words very very carefully things. Also - if the tax rate was slated to drop, but the bond passing does not allow that drop, that bond has increased your taxes.

Only government math says it hasn't.
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So, CFISD offers a larger homestead exemption to homeowners, collects less in property tax to pay for schools, and expects the rest of the state to make up the difference?

Do any other Houston districts do this?
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schmendeler said:

Withholding funding and cutting your own income is definitely a funding problem.
Or - and just bear with me here for a minute - Cy Fair and other districts could not design a system wherein they rely on subsidies from the state to meet their minimum financial requirements.

That's just dumb financial management. It would be like you saying you rely on your credit card companies to continually increase your credit limit as part of your income.

But it's also a function of the craptastic recapture and other garbate related to funding that the state controls. All in the name of "equity".
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They haven't increased school funding since 2019.
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Quote:

This is how much the state thinks we should have to run our school district (salaries, academics, athletics, fine arts, CTE, gas, electricity, insurance, etc). We do not have control over the size of the glass.
This is also a hidden cost of those billion dollar bonds that "don't increase your taxes" [allegedly] that isn't calculated into the marketing for those bonds.

Because whenever a district goes out and builds Taj-Mahal stadiums (paid for by the bond) or fine arts centers that would make the Boston Symphony jealous, or buy new campuses because the superintendent wants a bigger office, etc - the operating cost of the district increases, sometimes signifcantly.

Those operating costs - maintenance, electricity, insurance (big $$) increase when these bonds pay for building new structures or buying new fleet vehicles, etc. Those costs are perpetual costs. Sure, over time you get some depreciation and what not, but overall theya re still a cost that must be paid for out of the normal operating budget.
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schmendeler said:

They haven't increased school funding since 2019.
Who hasn't?
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The legislature and governor
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schmendeler said:

They haven't increased school funding since 2019.
And yet ISD's spend more and more money year over year.

Why is it that the government never has to tighten its belt?
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Maybe because our population isn't going down, so you have to spend more?

I'd love the districts to tell Centerpoint they're paying less for electricity because they have to tighten their belts.

Or that they need free gas from gas stations for busses because belts need tightening.

I agree that there are hidden costs for projects that aren't accounted for in all districts. But when you elect idiots to a board that have no business making a household budget, much less a "business" budget nearing $500MM, you're gong to have issues to contend with.

~egon
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There's this thing called inflation that keeps pushing costs up. Staff salary and benefits are 80+ percent of isd budgets. Calling schools wasteful while many are operating at deficit spending is uniformed imo.

And if you want to point blame, look no further than our governor and the voucher movement. For those that think that will make things more efficient, please know that the voucher bills proposed will fund students at 20% more per pupil than they currently fund public schools for the same exact student.
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schmellba99 said:

schmendeler said:

They haven't increased school funding since 2019.
And yet ISD's spend more and more money year over year.

Why is it that the government never has to tighten its belt?


It's not that the government "can't tighten it's belt". It's the reality that student enrollment increases every year and the costs of running schools increases.

When's the last time the money allocated for TXDOT or DPS was kept stagnant for five years?

It's not like the state has a funding problem. Abbott asked for and got an $18 billion tax cut.

Maybe properly fund public schools rather than voluntarily cut your income and act like it's a "spending problem".
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PGAG said:

There's this thing called inflation that keeps pushing costs up. Staff salary and benefits are 80+ percent of isd budgets. Calling schools wasteful while many are operating at deficit spending is uniformed imo.

And if you want to point blame, look no further than our governor and the voucher movement. For those that think that will make things more efficient, please know that the voucher bills proposed will fund students at 20% more per pupil than they currently fund public schools for the same exact student.


The voucher idea is pure welfare. Except it is welfare for the rich at the expense of those that want local, high quality schools.
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You all had your chance. The free ride is over. Tear it all down and start over. Time to perform or no moneys.
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Welfare?

Lots of us who don't and never will use government schools have been forced to pay school and property taxes for decades
 
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