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https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/article/houston-traffic-speed-trap-battle-cost-effective-20254862.php

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A Houston man was ticketed over a Heights-area speed trap. But it wasn't for speeding.

Daragh John Carter hates a speed trap near his home so much he began posting about it on Facebook before eventually escalating to standing near it and warning passing motorists it was coming.

His actions frustrated a Houston police officer enough that Carter was cited for jaywalking, with the traffic police noting he was the resident who posted about the speed trap on Facebook. Rather than pay the fine, Carter has opted to contest the tickets in court, where a trial is tentatively set for April 29, he said.

"I have read the sections of the Texas Transportation Code ... and I do not believe I violated either one of them," he said. "No different than if I was cited for speeding, but knew I was driving at or below the speed limit."

What might at first glance seem like a sympathetic quixotic quest to anyone who's ever gotten a municipal ticket is actually part of larger, more sweeping conversations in public safety on how to balance desire for safer streets with the cost-intensive speed traps that can be ripe for abuse and how the city might find savings as it stares down a $330 million municipal deficit while overtime spending in the police department spikes each year.

A growing feud
Carter said the citations were the culmination of a growing dispute in his neighborhood over a speed trap along TC Jester Boulevard.

Carter said he's always objected to the trap because even if you're watching your speed, it's easy to break the posted 35mph speed limit along that stretch of road. The area in question is near the bottom of a hill, where a driver might eclipse the speed limit even if carefully monitoring their surroundings, Carter said.

"The reason HPD runs radar there is that it's like shooting fish in a barrel," he said.

Jodi Silva, a spokeswoman for the Houston Police Department, said the department set up the speed trap in response to growing concern from nearby residents about dangerous driving. The officer's job is to issue citations in areas that are of particular concern.

Soon after Carter became frustrated with the speed trap, he said he began posting in the neighborhood Facebook group warning people about it. Then he stood down the hill from the traffic patrol and telling passing motorists, he said.

But Carter's decision soon drew the ire of one of the officers orchestrating the speed trap, Carter said. That officer, Matthew Davis, tracked down Carter and wrote out a citation for jaywalking after telling him he was interfering with a police investigation, Carter said. On the citation, Davis also mentioned that Carter had been the one posting on Facebook.

Silva told the Chronicle that, given that Davis may testify on many different citations, he includes notes on the citations such as the one given to Carter that can help jog his memory when called into court months down the line.

Carter has opted to contest the ticket and a trial date is tentatively set for April 29, he said.

A desire for safer streets
Both Carter and the Houston Police Department agree some in the neighborhood are appreciative of Davis' efforts because of traffic along TC Jester Boulevard.

Even as driving-related deaths declined in unincorporated Harris County in 2024, last year ended as the deadliest year for drivers, passengers and pedestrians in the city's history. At least 345 people were killed on Houston area streets last year, a record high after two years of declines.

While speed traps are a well-known method of tamping down on dangerous drivers, their effects can be fleeting, experts said.

"Cops are humans with built-in biases, and can use discretion," Joe Cutrufo, executive director of BikeHouston said. "They're also only on duty when they're on duty, so if you don't see the speed trap or read about it in the Chronicle, you won't even know to slow down."

Concrete and better-designed streets are more reliable ways of prioritizing safety over speed because they're always present, Cutrufo said.


A city budget crisis
Carter's legal battle over the jaywalking citations comes as City Controller Chris Hollins warned the council this month that the agency had budgeted around $13.7 million for overtime pay, but was now projected to spend nearly $40 million, or an 190% increase.

Officials with the Houston Police Officers Union say shortages in staffing have contributed to some of the costs in overtime. But the agency expends significant overtime costs on traffic police in particular, officials confirmed and records show.

The officer behind the citation, Davis, was the department's third-highest overtime earner in 2024, with around $137,000 in overtime alone, records show. Of the top 10 highest overtime earners for the Houston Police Department in 2024, five were traffic officers, records show.

Silva said traffic enforcement officers are typically among the agency's highest overtime earners as they must attend court dates connected to the citations they write. And those court dates often fall outside their normal duty hours, Silva said.

Despite some benefits of traffic police, Carter also expressed concern about the potential for abuse. He pointed to a 2012 Chronicle article showing the officer had previously been disciplined for an overtime scheme in which four officers included each other as witnesses on tickets to claim additional hours.

Davis was disciplined for his role in 2012 scheme, Silva said. But she rejected any allegations that anything was wrong with the jaywalking citation he issued Carter, saying he was the only officer listed on the citation and he says he witnessed it.



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Get 'em Daragh!

That cop is an a-hole thats been scamming the OT forever.
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I know this guy. He's a riot.

This should be fun to watch.
Chewy
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This guy is a damn hero.

He may have saved me one time as I saw him and made sure I wasn't speeding.

I hate this trap and the one at the bottom of Shepherd. I've been fortunate and never gotten grabbed but know it's a matter of time since I regularly drive them.

It's always felt like a money grab due to the hill descent. I hope someone in HPD shuts down this money grab and focuses on something more important to protect the citizens of Houston.
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I was a victim of the shepherd speed trap a few years ago where I was going 40. The cop pulled over three of us at one time… So ridiculous

Now I don't even dare going over 35 on Shepherd/Durham or TC Jester.
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FIGHT THE MAN
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I don't disagree about the money grab and they should be focusing on actual crime.....

But I don't get the over the top hate for these speed traps. You know it's like a 50% chance they're going to be there. It isn't hard to not accelerate going down those hills/bridges.....
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Quote:

The officer's job is to issue citations in areas that are of particular concern.
You want areas of particular concern? Get your boys out on the highways and start busting all the idiots trying to drive 90 in clogged up, rush hour roads, or weaving in out of 5 lanes at time.

Those mother ****ers are the real danger on the street.

Also, start busting people for their dumbass texting and driving. Just as bad as being inebriated.
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I'm generally in the "don't want to get pulled over, don't speed" camp...

But screw this cop. Getting pissy because a citizen is telling drivers to slow down (and therefore drive safer, more attentive, alert, etc you know all of the stated goals of traffic enforcement) is grounds to have the cop locked in stocks on the city hall steps for ridicule and deposition of rotten produce.
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Weren't these speed traps cops the ones in the rings where they hope people go to court for these tickets so they can just rack up overtime?
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htxag09 said:

Weren't these speed traps cops the ones in the rings where they hope people go to court for these tickets so they can just rack up overtime?
Yes. This one in particular. He's 100% gaming the system, so the cop is just pissed this citizen is robbing him of the court OT.
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htxag09 said:

Weren't these speed traps cops the ones in the rings where they hope people go to court for these tickets so they can just rack up overtime?

I got hit by one of those a year or 2 ago.

Pulled over for a bogus traffic stop. Not until I looked at the ticket did I realize he also cited me for having a crack in my windsheild.

Two tickets meant having to go to court. I show up and find out that this cop was there with 90+ cases that day and the entire court house basically had to wait for him to show up to their room.

He would show up and the prosecutor offered everybody the same deal: Dismiss the windshield charge (or whatever the "lesser" issue was) and deferred on the main charge. You were left with the decision of paying the ~$100-150 for deferred or having to come back another day to continue to fight. Most just paid. Complete money making scam.
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Defund the PO-LEECE!
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I've received three speeding tickets in my life:

Polk County
Grimes County
TC Jester Blvd.

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I know Daragh, he's good people and not anti-police. His son got a former cop car crown vic for his first car and decked it out w/ a bull bar.

Me and several other neighbors just hate the entrapment aspect and I wish they run a speed trap north of 11th on either side. Davis got my wife for no front license plate, but not speeding as she was riding the breaks down the hill. WTF I didn't know you still had to have a front plate.
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I think I would be making a 1st Amendment argument if I was the guy fighting the ticket.
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Yeah i live off TC J, so have to take it everyday. And these guys suck. That's all. I support my fellow Timbergrover in his fight. I wish they would focus on the racing early every morning I can hear from the Loop and people who fly down ella and upper TC J. Not one of the fake 2 hills on this of town.
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AgLiving06 said:

htxag09 said:

Weren't these speed traps cops the ones in the rings where they hope people go to court for these tickets so they can just rack up overtime?

I got hit by one of those a year or 2 ago.

Pulled over for a bogus traffic stop. Not until I looked at the ticket did I realize he also cited me for having a crack in my windsheild.

Two tickets meant having to go to court. I show up and find out that this cop was there with 90+ cases that day and the entire court house basically had to wait for him to show up to their room.

He would show up and the prosecutor offered everybody the same deal: Dismiss the windshield charge (or whatever the "lesser" issue was) and deferred on the main charge. You were left with the decision of paying the ~$100-150 for deferred or having to come back another day to continue to fight. Most just paid. Complete money making scam.
Oh they didn't mention it, but he actually gave him two tickets as well. One for classic jaywalking (crossing the street not at a crosswalk) and another for walking in the roadway (walking parallel to the sidewalk). What a ****.

Just got word that David is actively running the speed trap. It's funny, we have a group chat warning of the trap and there's another group chat w/ Davis letting him know what people are saying on Facebook. The latter is how he found out that Daragh was on the uphill side warning folks.
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He's more effective at slowing people down than the law. Isn't that the objective of the law?
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Funky Winkerbean said:

He's more effective at slowing people down than the law. Isn't that the objective of the law?
Yes, but as we have seen with many, they are only happy if it is the gov't doing it.
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Its maddening this wanna be Alonzo Harris of the Traffic Enforcement Division wasn't fired back in 2012.
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Mega Lops said:

Its maddening this wanna be Alonzo Harris of the Traffic Enforcement Division was't fired back in 2012.
The first job of the system is to protect the system, and that's exactly what they did.

It's why there are so many bad cops still running around.
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****ing hilarious all sorts of traffic violations on the Houston roadways, paper plates from the 2000s, speeding excessively, road rage shooting, and this is what they are worried about, and no way they received complaints from "concerned citizens"
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Sounds like somebody ought to start seeding the place where the cops set up for the trap with stuff to cause flat tires or maybe have their dogs **** all over the spot.
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Haha - I know Daragh too. Good dude.
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Funky Winkerbean said:

He's more effective at slowing people down than the law. Isn't that the objective of the law?
Yes, but this guy is interrupting the flow of income to HPD.
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htxag09 said:

I don't disagree about the money grab and they should be focusing on actual crime.....

But I don't get the over the top hate for these speed traps. You know it's like a 50% chance they're going to be there. It isn't hard to not accelerate going down those hills/bridges.....
I have to actually ride my brake to not go over the speed limit due to the decent of the hill. If I just let off the throttle I'll exceed the speed limit.

That's what agitates me. It's a complete BS speed trap. Even if you're not accelerating you can get nailed thanks to 9.8 m/s2.

Couple that with this guy using it to put money in his pocket and it's not the best use of city resources.

It's total BS.
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Its even more frustrating when your home has been broken into 3 times over 20 yesrs and you not only never are informed of any investigation results, you find out the actual police report was never filed and there is nor ever have been any investigation. By investigation, i mean something as simple as checking for fingerprint matches.

But good Googley Moogley, heaven forbid someone going 5 moh over speed limit.
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The city and county are run by Democrats. The amount of news stories that detail financial malfeasance and straight up grifting is significant.

That a cop is milking the system for OT during a time when they say "we don't have money for OT!" is not a surprise because he is bringing in money. It's probably getting pilfered for personal use by someone in city government, but they are never going to condemn him for it.

Where is an investigative journalist to put this on the news?
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TarponChaser said:

Sounds like somebody ought to start seeding the place where the cops set up for the trap with stuff to cause flat tires or maybe have their dogs **** all over the spot.
They used to hide behind a large bushy tree but someone cut it down a few years ago.

Daragh once posted a timeline comparison on Facebook showing how the cops damaged the median's curb over time driving up onto it to park.
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Chewy said:

htxag09 said:

I don't disagree about the money grab and they should be focusing on actual crime.....

But I don't get the over the top hate for these speed traps. You know it's like a 50% chance they're going to be there. It isn't hard to not accelerate going down those hills/bridges.....
I have to actually ride my brake to not go over the speed limit due to the decent of the hill. If I just let off the throttle I'll exceed the speed limit.

That's what agitates me. It's a complete BS speed trap. Even if you're not accelerating you can get nailed thanks to 9.8 m/s2.

Couple that with this guy using it to put money in his pocket and it's not the best use of city resources.

It's total BS.
My super scientific research had me at 42 at the bottom of the hill when apexing at 35 mph and letting off the gas.

Davis once gave me a ticket for 42 in a 35 off Washington years ago. He was the first cop to show up when I plead not guilty in Houston.
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You can expect much more aggressive traffic enforcement as we approach the end of June because the fiscal year starts on July 1st and COH is in a $300 million budget hole.
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I have an acquaintance that is internal legal counsel and in the audit Department for the CofH. It is absolutely appalling the stories he tells. The fact that the deficit is not more is amazing.

His water leak contract stories are let's say quite frustrating to say the least.
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this speed trap is at T.C. Jester and where?
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W said:

this speed trap is at T.C. Jester and where?

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