The word I am getting is pretty reliable Todd Doge is the new head ball coach for temple once all the details are ironed out.

Source?

I know a Todd Dodge, but who is Doge?

Great guy.

I hope he comes to THS! We need to bring this program back to greatness (I have said this alot being an Aggie, lol)

Go Wildcats.

O.K., just heard a rumor that Prosper may be getting rid of their head coach and Dodge is Candidate #1 for them. Supposedly Prosper has more money than Temple and has some of the nicest facilities in the state.

Interested in seeing how all of this shakes out.

They may have more money but we have a town hungry for a coach to come in and save our program. And we are one of the top 10 winningst programs all time in the state of Tx under Bob "The Legend" McQueen. And we are in the top ten academicly in the nation. And I feel they can scrape up the money to get him there. This to me determins how serious the administration is about athletics, so if they hire some scrub I feel they need to go next on the chopping block.

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And we are in the top ten academicly in the nation.

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[This message has been edited by Captain Pablo (edited 11/9/2010 5:31p).]

How does you being a smart *%^ have anything to do with this topic?

You brought up academics, and therefore opened the door to it.

And as proud as I am of the Temple athletes, faculty, wtc., Temple High is NOT one of the top ten schools academically in the country. Consistently being academically unacceptable, not to mention your spelling, is a testament to that. Quit whining and learn to laugh at yourself.

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Also, what is the procedure for hiring a new head coach? Aren't there certain posting, search, application, and approval requirements? Not saying he won't be, but how is Todd Dodge the new head football coach within 24 hours of the previous one leaving?

Captain Pablo I am going to apologize the article was over Temples IB Program i looked at it a while back and thought it was rating schools. And about the hiring process the superintendent can hire some one on a temporary basis. But the school board has to approve a position such as head coach. So when they find there guy the board must aprove it.

Captain pablo:

If you don't know how amazing our IB program is, you are terribly ignorant.

Seriously, stop while you are ahead.

I am aware of the IB program, and that Temple high was in the top 10%. I believe, what, 30 kids, of 2000, took the exam. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Temple's top tier is great. That's what happens in a small town full of doctors' kids. Good for them. Temple high also performs poorly on state testing, historically. I am not criticizing faculty or the school, although we will have to agree to disagree on whether that district has been well run. I am saying Temple High is not one of the ten best schools in the country.

One final query - was was the crieria for IB recognition? Wasn't it the number of students participating. Or am I thinking of something else?

By the way, I think the Temple High faculty is outstanding. And no I am not sucking up.

Yes, I believe it was the Newsweek deal. Schools were based on the number of students who took the AP and IB exams. In other words, graded on participation.

Look, I get it. It is great for the school, kids and faculty. Just sayin....

Cpt: The THS IB program doesnt just fulfill IB criteria. The IB program is essentially the standardized program for diplomats children around the world. The Temple High "Chapter" is the control group for implementing new techniques, new courses and new programs overseas.

TISD does have a problem, and unfortunately it isnt education. Its demographics. One administrator told me about the freshman class of 2006 or 2007. They had 1200 students. You know how many made it to their sophomore year? 740. Over a third of that class dropped out, the vast majority of them hispanic. Talk about condemning them to a life worse than their parents. But if the kids have no drive and the parents cant control them, what are you gonna do? Im sure the majority of these kids did not get the attention they needed at Bonham, Travis and Lamar and they were not equipped to deal with HS level courses.

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Holy cow. I am so pumped. Spread attack!

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One administrator told me about the freshman class of 2006 or 2007. They had 1200 students. You know how many made it to their sophomore year? 740.

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I think those numbers are inflated. There is only 2100 students in the whole school.

And that dropout thing has been thrown out before. Temple High is NOT unique with it's demographic or dropout situation. If the middle schools aren't preparing them, then why hasn't that been addressed and solved.

And back to that "demographic" thing. Is the insinuation that because of Temple's high school's high minority enrollment, they don't do well on the tests? Because there are schools with few if any white kids doing better than Temple High. There are schools that are almost all Hispanic that are doing better than Temple. I'd be interested to see the ratings of some of the schools from the Valley, San Antonio, Spring Branch, Austin, Corpus, Alief, and others to see how they stack up.




[This message has been edited by Captain Pablo (edited 11/10/2010 11:23a).]

Those numbers werent inflated that year. That was the largest freshman class they had ever seen. I think they estimated that the 1200 freshmen would equate to 500 graduating seniors.

So they only have 2100 nowadays huh? Thats what 500 per graduating class? Except the numbers are always skewed toward the freshmen. Lets not forget that a sector of the affluent students are going to Belton, Trinity or CTCS nowadays.

It is funny that you made the jump from "demographic" to "minority" so quickly. Let me guess, you vote democrat. It takes a special breed of ignorance to just lump them all together. The Temple hispanic population is not the Valley hispanic population, nor is it the San Antonio hispanic population. You do know that "demographics" include family income, right?

Next time you are feeling nostalgic drive around east Temple. Then drive around the affluent neighborhoods of San Antonio. The skin color might be the same, but the cultures are completely different, the emphasis on education are completely different, the social interaction is completely different.

Why is this? Well, the majority of Temple hispanics are from lower class or lower-middle class families. Some of the kids are 1st generation American (anchor babies) or sometimes even Mexican by birth. Their families are struggling and the kids have a ton of obstacles to overcome. Second and third generation is more likely. They speak English well enough, but they are still in families that are struggling or that dont care (less emphasis on education, more on money or short-term). College is never even a factor unless one kid is singled out in elementary or middle school as exemplary or has parent involvement.

Temple schools have been behind on the curve, no doubt. Hell, Im sure if you look at the alternative high school's numbers with the pregnant moms, Im sure its enrollment outpaces Temple's growth. TISD is probably having hell keeping up with Temple's growth as it is much less the reproductive boom that goes with a growing hispanic-Catholic population.

This has needed to be said for a while. Everything wrong with temple has been brought on by the community, 2 administrations have run things into the ground as seen first hand with a once highly respected football program. When you as a school board and administration Hire 2 Head coaches that are under .500 before coming to temple further more neither one having a winning record before the "consultant" came in. The same is true with the current administration they want to say they want to be great and havnt been since the late 90s. I know my parents worked for the district for 20yrs. And THS was a great school for awhile but when your hire sorry people you get sorry results. So if Temple wants to get serious about being taken serious then start by hiring a coach that is werth a dern and stop the lip service. This could be the thing that starts to turn things around. Just saying Pablo I grew up there and have seen that town in it's hay day and turn into the joke it is now, as a football program and a district. This to me will see if the board and administration might need to go.

That is why hallingshead left in between beal and munson. He saw a community that thought they knew more then the head coach and a administration not commited to athletics and winning.

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Those numbers werent inflated that year. That was the largest freshman class they had ever seen. I think they estimated that the 1200 freshmen would equate to 500 graduating seniors.

So they only have 2100 nowadays huh? Thats what 500 per graduating class?

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yeah, I bet they were inflated. If there are 500 students in a graduating class, you are going to have a hell of a lot more than 2100 students in grades 9-12. If you have 1200 freshmen in a class, you will likely have AT LEAST 2800 students in grades 9-12. temple High has hovered around 2000-2200 for the better part of 30 years.

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It is funny that you made the jump from "demographic" to "minority" so quickly. Let me guess, you vote democrat. It takes a special breed of ignorance to just lump them all together.

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Yeah, I am a well known liberal around here.

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Next time you are feeling nostalgic drive around east Temple. Then drive around the affluent neighborhoods of San Antonio. The skin color might be the same, but the cultures are completely different, the emphasis on education are completely different, the social interaction is completely different.

Why is this? Well, the majority of Temple hispanics are from lower class or lower-middle class families. Some of the kids are 1st generation American (anchor babies) or sometimes even Mexican by birth. Their families are struggling and the kids have a ton of obstacles to overcome. Second and third generation is more likely. They speak English well enough, but they are still in families that are struggling or that dont care (less emphasis on education, more on money or short-term).

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Are you out of your freakin' mind? you chastise me for jumping to conclusions, and then you throw out whoppers like this? What are you saying, that the Temple version of hispanics are poorer, more ignorant, and less motivated than hispanics elsewhere? You compare poor hispanics in Temple to affluent neighborhoods in San antonio, and expect to be taken seriously? I got news for you, Einstein. There are a lot of poor hispanics in San Antonio, the Valley, Houston, and Dallas. Get out of you gated community once in awhile and drive around South San Antonio, East Houston, or South East Austin. And Laredo! Yeah, they're living large down there! Yeah, Temple is the ONLY PLACE ON EARTH with poor Latinos. Everywhere else, they are living in mansions, driving Porsches, and just living the high life! I really don't think I've ever read a more ignorant post on Texags!

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Got more news for you, Magellen. TISD ain't growing. The city of Temple is growing, but most of the new growth is in Belton ISD, and to some extent Academy ISD. Temple High School enrollment is stagnant, and will likely result in THS dropping to 4A in the near future. Another whiff.

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Most be nice to be a butthurt hispanic-American with reading comprehension failures. Im surprised you didnt already drop out.

And yes that one year was an anomaly. It strained the resources of the school with the very logistics of fitting those kids in and feeding all the kids in 3 separate lunch shifts.

Have you ever even lived in Temple? Temple was not a traditional hispanic town for the last half century. It has more of the East Texas (B/W) dynamic than Waco or southern Texas towns. You know what this means? Most Hispanics especially since the 1970's are new to Temple, whether they are new to the US is irrelevant. Since you gave up hispanics as being downtrodden and structurally poor, why do you think they came to Temple? For the residency program? No they came because of a demand for labor of a growing city, God bless em, I wish them well.

But you fail to realize schools in traditional hispanic communities are better equipped to reach hispanic students. Temple ISD, as I have already stated, has fallen behind on the changing city. And that is the school's failure. But I guess I have no frame of reference because I lived on North 2nd, which is certainly a gated community, one with barb wires.


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TISD ain't growing. The city of Temple is growing, but most of the new growth is in Belton ISD, and to some extent Academy ISD. Temple High School enrollment is stagnant,

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Apparently you equate TISD with THS: "TISD ain't growing" "Temple High School enrollment is stagnant" which shows your ignorance on the issue. Parents are sticking with TISD for early development-5th. Then you start to see the losses. Look at south Temple around Raye-Allen. RA-Elementary is one of Temple's largest elementary schools and its barely 10 years old.

Since you dont understand that school districts get funding for enrollment and days of the year students are present, you do not look at the situation from a business aspect either. By having high enrollment of a growing town, and not retaining the students through 12th grade they are obviously not competitive enough with BISD, CTCS, Academy, Salado, etc. Dont tell me you are ignorant enough to beleive it isnt the "doctors' kids" (regardless of race) that are moving but the kids with lower socioeconomic placement who are seeking a better education.

Lets look at some numbers for the Graduating Class of 2008 from THS, which you call TISD:

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Total Graduates 421
By Ethnicity (incl. Special Ed.):
African American 112 26.6%
Hispanic 102 24.2%
White 194 46.1%
(% is of total graduation, not percent of ethnicity graduating)

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Lets juxtapose this with enrollment numbers of the school in 2008:

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Ethnic Distribution:
African American 562 27.8%
Hispanic 605 29.9%
White 814 40.2%

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So why show this? This means Hispanics make up a greater number than the "other minority" yet they are dropping out at a higher rate than the "other disadvantaged".

So what do all these squiggly lines mean? You have 605 Hispanics currently in school, which is 40 more students than blacks. Yet more blacks will graduate. But but but but why?

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Progress of Prior Year TAKS Failers:

Reading/KLA:
Black
2009: 50%
2008: 50%

Hispanic
2009: 29%
2008: 27%

White
2009: 47%
2008: 67%

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What does that mean? It means 3/4ths of hispanic students kids who failed the standardized English the first time around failed it again the 2nd time around. Its only half for blacks and whites, but we already clarified that THS, also known as TISD in some circles, that there are more hispanics than blacks enrolled.

Oh I forgot this little kernel from THS:

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Students By Grade:
Grade 9 - 669 33.1%
Grade 10 - 473 23.4%
Grade 11 - 469 23.2%
Grade 12 - 412 20.4%

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It is certainly not all blacks who are dropping out, but the fact that Hispanics have grown in numbers in both THS and TISD, their impact is most visible. I have a feeling Im gonna have to explain Simpson's Paradox in my next post regarding your response, but I will just have to wait.

Lets see what the US Census says about hispanics in Temple versus hispanics in Texas:

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Business QuickFacts
Total number of firms, 2002
Temple 3,800
Texas 1,734,509

Hispanic-owned firms, percent, 2002
Temple 4.1%
Texas 18.4%

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I guess the government is inflating the number of rich hispanics because it doesnt play into your victim/entitlement storyline. But it does play into mine: the growth of the Temple hispanic population is a newer phenomenon, the majority of Temple hispanics have been there no longer than 3 generations, thus the lower skewed of established businesses.

[This message has been edited by BillOnCapitolHill (edited 11/10/2010 6:34p).]

Thanks for hijacking the thread guys...

Does anyone know anything new on the coaching search?

seriously, back to the matter at hand. is dodgeball coming to town?

Alright, getting back to the original post here. I think it is safe to say that nothing is going to be done until January. Battershell already stated that Monsen's contract is not up until June and they are not going to post the position until January. Monsen is still the AD until then and that's the way it has been handled in the past.
ARK09 has not given us a reason to believe that any deal has been made with Dodge. I am sure he will have to go through the process just like any other applicant. Unless anyone gives us reason to believe otherwise, I don't see this going anywhere until January.

If Dodge wants the job, get him in here stat.

I apologize guys, and to the Captain too.

Lets bring Mark Dodge to THS. Err Todd Dodge.

whether its Dodge, Shipley, Chad Morris, whoever, get them in here faster than April!!! Get them on board by mid-January so that they can start putting together a staff and get this ship righted!

Boy, Prosper vs. Temple is not a fair fight. At all.

Prosper has an incredible and growing tax base, involved, high income parents, and some very talented kids. It's also right outside of Frisco which be a big quality of life issue.

I've lived in both places and one certainly has the feel of being on the way up and the other doesn't. I hope Temple can get him though...

Crusaders, our " wonderful" shot. ( puke) has stated that it will be march/April before a coach is hired.

Dang iPhone......... I meant superintendent, not "shot"