Trying to get a feel on the size of the traveler.

Looks to be between a Tahoe and 4 runner. In your segment i side the traveler, it looked, surprisingly, a bit smaller than I expected.

I was so excited to be in it, I wish I had take more time to get a feel for it. It definitely feels wider inside than a 4runner/gx type. Leg room in the 2nd row was pretty good but that did compromise the cargo area a little compared to something like a tahoe with 3rd row folded down.

If you look at the split tailgate from the inside you can tell it's not a finished product. There's panel that folds down to give you a smooth transition from cargo to tailgate, and with the hatch closed it looks weird. Not flush. I'm sure that will be fixed between now and production.

Regarding Harvester, they are being cagey and I get it. Talked for quite a while with Jamie, who runs all their community stuff and you can tell they want to say more, but can't. One thing I can say is I DON'T expect it to have Ramcharger like function/capability in terms of long sustained towing. That's just not their target. I think the best we can hope for is that it can perform like normal for long multi-day stretches away from a charger. And I did find it funny that Dre pointed out those modes in the UX. Kinda inadvertently told us more than anyone else would.

thanks

I've been watching Ramcharger too. At 14k towing, I wonder if it's a viable competitor to my 3/4T diesel.

My wife sometimes tows the smaller horse trailer with her suburban. I think 250 miles one-way would be the limit in an SUV. Anything longer would be in the pickup. Most of it would be 150 and under.

Even with the Ramcharger platform, I think the Grand Wagoneer is likely out. Price point is just dumb IMO.

Damn, I have no need for a vehicle, but watching that video, definitely makes me want one.

Out of spec reviews

I think these look pretty enough, but if you want a throwback "SUV" if you will I'd still prefer the Ineos Grenadier, though I think there are a couple annoying drawbacks to those (I can't remember but I think we have a few owners on this forum). It does have a BMW engine/drivetrain that, while not the best for longevity, is fairly well proven.

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I think these look pretty enough, but if you want a throwback "SUV" if you will I'd still prefer the Ineos Grenadier, though I think there are a couple annoying drawbacks to those (I can't remember but I think we have a few owners on this forum). It does have a BMW engine/drivetrain that, while not the best for longevity, is fairly well proven.

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Steering is one I have read about several times.

Ineos Grenadier Steering

Steering is not great, even by solid axle standards. Annoying speed chimes. If you're into the off-road stuff it's all a bit cumbersome to use. Which is intentional.

Overall it's not a great vehicle to live with everyday. More comfortable than a Jeep but not great.

Then of course there's the EV aspect. Most people looking at Scout aren't cross shopping with ICE.

Yeah I think it was the speed chimes thing I recalled. I figure if you are getting a modernized classic like this with solid axles etc. the steering one would accept wouldn't rival a modern competitor without all the off-road stuff. I doubt many people will really cross-shop a Grenadier with a Scout EV, to be fair. Maybe a Jeep/Bronco.

Scout CEO on Jay Lenos garage yesterday with disappointing news.... towing limited to 5k on the SUV and the Terra truck WITH RANGE EXTENDER ....

EV only still projected at 10k truck and 7k suv. Presumably due to location of generator over rear axle. I'd give up the "frunk" in a heartbeat for the extra towing capacity.

bummer

Nice race car gear whine, I know its a test mule

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Scout CEO on Jay Lenos garage yesterday with disappointing news.... towing limited to 5k on the SUV and the Terra truck WITH RANGE EXTENDER ....

EV only still projected at 10k truck and 7k suv. Presumably due to location of generator over rear axle. I'd give up the "frunk" in a heartbeat for the extra towing capacity.

bummer

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My Scout contact is tapping the brakes on the 5k figure for Terra+harvester. Nothing is in stone yet.

The extra wheelbase alone should tell us the Terra will tow more than the Traveler regardless of configuration. I would still be surprised if the Terra doesn't tow 7k or more even with the Harvester. We'll see. That's still not a huge number, but it's useful for most people.

You're not alone with the frunk comments, but it's just not gonna happen. They want to be able to pivot production on a dime and that means all the changes for Harvester need to be under the skin.

5k seems too low. 6-7k seems about right - that's the same as some midsize pickups, crossover SUVs like Pathfinder and Explorer. Plenty for most light and medium duty around town towing I occasionally do.

My 2008 F150 with 4.6L V8 is rated for like 6-7k, so this all seems reasonable. I never expected them to tow like a Max Tow package Ecoboost

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cavscout96 said:

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Scout CEO on Jay Lenos garage yesterday with disappointing news.... towing limited to 5k on the SUV and the Terra truck WITH RANGE EXTENDER ....

EV only still projected at 10k truck and 7k suv. Presumably due to location of generator over rear axle. I'd give up the "frunk" in a heartbeat for the extra towing capacity.

bummer

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My Scout contact is tapping the brakes on the 5k figure for Terra+harvester. Nothing is in stone yet.

The extra wheelbase alone should tell us the Terra will tow more than the Traveler regardless of configuration. I would still be surprised if the Terra doesn't tow 7k or more even with the Harvester. We'll see. That's still not a huge number, but it's useful for most people.

You're not alone with the frunk comments, but it's just not gonna happen. They want to be able to pivot production on a dime and that means all the changes for Harvester need to be under the skin.

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looks like I'm probably out on this (unfortunately). need min 7k in the traveler for my mission profile. will keep waiting for another option. maybe if the ramcharger works out, I'll see what I need in a future waggoneer.

also keeping an eye on what DeBoss is doing up in Canada