Speakers and possibly Stereo Replacement.

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FCBlitz
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I have a 2019 Hyundai Sante Fe and would like the stereo to have a bit more thump and power. Not a lot, but maybe 1/3 to 1/2 more.

I think the gold standard nowadays is Crutchfield. But I don't have the tool, time nor the space to do the install myself.

It has been 30 years since I have shopped area for a sound system upgrade. I would think a small bit of diligence on my part would go a long way to ensure a good install at a good price.

I expect to change out front dash, front door, back door and far rear speakers. The question is will I need to get a new stereo. The stereo is a typical touch screen.

Has anyone switched out a stereo system and would be willing to give me some pointers?
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FCBlitz said:

I have a 2019 Hyundai Sante Fe and would like the stereo to have a bit more thump and power. Not a lot, but maybe 1/3 to 1/2 more.

I think the gold standard nowadays is Crutchfield. But I don't have the tool, time nor the space to do the install myself.

It has been 30 years since I have shopped area for a sound system upgrade. I would think a small bit of diligence on my part would go a long way to ensure a good install at a good price.

I expect to change out front dash, front door, back door and far rear speakers. The question is will I need to get a new stereo. The stereo is a typical touch screen.

Has anyone switched out a stereo system and would be willing to give me some pointers?



I was a complete audiophile in my younger years. For reference, I had a Tahoe where every component, including speaker wire, was replaced. Also had 2 capacitors wired straight to the battery pushing 3 amps. Car had no panels or carpet during install (my father and I did it).

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ChoppinDs40 said:

FCBlitz said:

I have a 2019 Hyundai Sante Fe and would like the stereo to have a bit more thump and power. Not a lot, but maybe 1/3 to 1/2 more.

I think the gold standard nowadays is Crutchfield. But I don't have the tool, time nor the space to do the install myself.

It has been 30 years since I have shopped area for a sound system upgrade. I would think a small bit of diligence on my part would go a long way to ensure a good install at a good price.

I expect to change out front dash, front door, back door and far rear speakers. The question is will I need to get a new stereo. The stereo is a typical touch screen.

Has anyone switched out a stereo system and would be willing to give me some pointers?



I was a complete audiophile in my younger years. For reference, I had a Tahoe where every component, including speaker wire, was replaced. Also had 2 capacitors wired straight to the battery pushing 3 amps. Car had no panels or carpet during install (my father and I did it).

Ask away.


Thanks for responding. Sorry to be so late about my follow up. Been away for work and I have to use the phones the govt gives me to use and I was gone awhile.

My life style is really at the center of why I can't DIY an install. I have a normal work schedule……until I don't. Most of the time (lately) I don't have a normal schedule…..and can be gone a month at a time.

I am older. My hearing is probably deteriorating some, but I still enjoy listening to loud music when I drive.

My biggest unknown….is how to determine the following:

> How do I determine if the current standard console is fine and all I need is new, higher quaility speakers to achieve a higher thump to feel.

I am not a stereo nut who demands the highest level of fidelity by having the very best components. But I do want about 30% more loudness, that is balanced in sound from the speaker system.

Maybe the new system means replacing the console, the front door, back passenger door and tail gate door speakers w/ sub woofer, along with a small amplifier. Or maybe it just requires new speakers with amplifiers.

As for the install. I would pay someone to install, because I need the install to be done right nd over a day or two period so the install doesn't last a longggg time.

If I can install the system in phases of that is easier.

Lastly. As I said above, maybe I do buy everything through Crutchfield and hire someone to do install.

Or

Do I go to a local car stereo dealer and do a turn key purchase and install. This seems the riskiest path foreword because there is a lot trust involve with stereo company I know nothing about.




Thanks for discussing with me.
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I don't think it's risky if you find a reputable shop - not just a bunch of teenagers pushing the newest loudest crap. It seems you can articulate what you need and that will help.

Read up on various options for features on Crutchfield and list out priorities. You may hate touchscreens with no knob. Backup camera can be an easy add if car doesn't have one. Do you want any steering wheel controls to still run the stereo (extra wiring)? Do you want Apple CarPlay? You should be able to narrow down the head unit this way. But it sounds like you would want to work with a shop to make it happen.

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FCBlitz said:

ChoppinDs40 said:

FCBlitz said:

I have a 2019 Hyundai Sante Fe and would like the stereo to have a bit more thump and power. Not a lot, but maybe 1/3 to 1/2 more.

I think the gold standard nowadays is Crutchfield. But I don't have the tool, time nor the space to do the install myself.

It has been 30 years since I have shopped area for a sound system upgrade. I would think a small bit of diligence on my part would go a long way to ensure a good install at a good price.

I expect to change out front dash, front door, back door and far rear speakers. The question is will I need to get a new stereo. The stereo is a typical touch screen.

Has anyone switched out a stereo system and would be willing to give me some pointers?



I was a complete audiophile in my younger years. For reference, I had a Tahoe where every component, including speaker wire, was replaced. Also had 2 capacitors wired straight to the battery pushing 3 amps. Car had no panels or carpet during install (my father and I did it).

Ask away.


Thanks for responding. Sorry to be so late about my follow up. Been away for work and I have to use the phones the govt gives me to use and I was gone awhile.

My life style is really at the center of why I can't DIY an install. I have a normal work schedule……until I don't. Most of the time (lately) I don't have a normal schedule…..and can be gone a month at a time.

I am older. My hearing is probably deteriorating some, but I still enjoy listening to loud music when I drive.

My biggest unknown….is how to determine the following:

> How do I determine if the current standard console is fine and all I need is new, higher quaility speakers to achieve a higher thump to feel.

I am not a stereo nut who demands the highest level of fidelity by having the very best components. But I do want about 30% more loudness, that is balanced in sound from the speaker system.

Maybe the new system means replacing the console, the front door, back passenger door and tail gate door speakers w/ sub woofer, along with a small amplifier. Or maybe it just requires new speakers with amplifiers.

As for the install. I would pay someone to install, because I need the install to be done right nd over a day or two period so the install doesn't last a longggg time.

If I can install the system in phases of that is easier.

Lastly. As I said above, maybe I do buy everything through Crutchfield and hire someone to do install.

Or

Do I go to a local car stereo dealer and do a turn key purchase and install. This seems the riskiest path foreword because there is a lot trust involve with stereo company I know nothing about.




Thanks for discussing with me.



Great info, and we could certainly take this a few different directions.

I also in my younger years worked at Best Buy and another car audio place. I do feel that with the advent of MUCH more improved car audio options from the factory, that the world of aftermarket car audio has diverged. It's either ultra performance and customization or "my 1993 Camry radio don't work no more".

The post above brings up great points. The factory head unit ( or console as you're calling it) nowadays drives much more than tune this fm station, play this CD, etc.

You will need to do some research on what you want in functionality first (many aftermarket head units now are very Apple CarPlay driven). My dad just installed a new head unit with a backup camera in a 1994 gmc Sierra.

Some general knowledge on how everything works - you may know all of this.

Factory head units have an amplifier in it that powers the speakers. It also processes the sound. One stop shop.

The most common replacement you see is 1) new head unit 2) new speakers in doors. This uses existing wiring to speakers and relies on the new head unit to power those speakers. This may be all you really need. Any basic shop or retailer can do this. Best Buy could easily knock that out in a day.

The next step up gets more complicated… adding a separate amplifier or a subwoofer.

First, if adding an amplifier, you will most likely need to replace the head unit. New head unit will have cables/outputs to drive the processed signal to an amplifier. Speakers are then connected to this amplifier.

Now you see the complication. How do you get the output wires to the amplifier? How do you get the speaker wires connected to the amplifier? And mostly, how do you get power to the amplifier? This requires panels off and fishing of all new wires.

This will give you your BEST option for sound in the actual speakers. However, a new good head unit and door speakers, I think, is all you need.

Now… for the bass. You will need an amplifier and subwoofer for this. Most common setup is wiring the amplifier to the unit and getting power to it. Then mounting the amplifier or positioning very close the subwoofer. Wire from subwoofer goes to amplifier.

Shops can do this pretty easily too. A good one can do it in a day.

One last note and we can continue this… car audio parts are marked up a good bit. Especially accessories (wiring) and speakers themselves.

Best Buy or tweeter or whatever can do all of this but you may be shocked at the cost without knows by your budget.

Can you build a system off crutchfield or buy used parts for much cheaper? Yes, but the install is the tricky part.
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Most cars today can not (reasonably) have their radio/touchscreen removed and replaced by something else.

The good news is that the head unit is rarely the cause of "bad audio". It is trivially easy to build an accurate sounding digital radio today. It doesn't cost the manufacturer any extra to do so.


The issue with factory sound systems is in the speakers first and the amps second. Getting better speakers in the factory spots will help, but to make the most out of those speakers you want good quality decently sized amps to power them.


All of this is easy for a stereo shop. I'd suggest just paying for it and being done with it in a day, vs trying to learn everything on your own just to find out you wired one driver out of polarity.....



So, I see a few upgrade paths:

New speakers only
New speakers AND amps (requires some kind of adaptor to get signal into the amps.)
New Speakers, amps, and DSP (fancy EQ), and the guy's time to tweak the DSP.


If you are just after a "little better and louder" stereo, I wouldn't go as far as the DSP. It'll be pricey.
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Definitely browse around Crutchfield and see what can fit or is compatible with your vehicle. Crutchfield will tell you everything you would need for your an install including any adapters, harnesses etc. This will give you an idea of costs for parts.

Then you can find a reputable audio dealer and see what they would charge for the same system. More than likely it will be pretty high due to install.

If it's too high, you can buy the parts and see if you can find a third party installer.

For instance last year I bought an Alpine ilx f509 7in apple play system. In all with the harnesses it was about $1300-$1400. A couple local dealers were going to charge around $2300 for the system and install.

I just ended up buying everything I needed from Crutchfield. I did find a guy that was going to install for $350 but I ended up doing it myself.

***this was just for a new head unit, no speakers.
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ChoppinDs40 said:

Now you see the complication. How do you get the output wires to the amplifier? How do you get the speaker wires connected to the amplifier? And mostly, how do you get power to the amplifier? This requires panels off and fishing of all new wires.

This will give you your BEST option for sound in the actual speakers. However, a new good head unit and door speakers, I think, is all you need.

Now… for the bass. You will need an amplifier and subwoofer for this. Most common setup is wiring the amplifier to the unit and getting power to it. Then mounting the amplifier or positioning very close the subwoofer. Wire from subwoofer goes to amplifier.

Shops can do this pretty easily too. A good one can do it in a day.

One last note and we can continue this… car audio parts are marked up a good bit. Especially accessories (wiring) and speakers themselves.

Best Buy or tweeter or whatever can do all of this but you may be shocked at the cost without knows by your budget.

Can you build a system off crutchfield or buy used parts for much cheaper? Yes, but the install is the tricky part.
Solid post.

In my 2001 RHD Jeep Grand Cherokee, I just replaced all the speakers because I was down to two tweeters were the only speakers working. I knew I blew out one of the factory speakers in the door about 15 years ago but didn't realize the rest weren't working until I had to drive my Grand Cherokee 200 miles and I couldn't deal with the lack of audio.

I found a shop that looked decent and went in to talk to them.

I suspect this whole industry is just as sketchy today as it was in the 1980s which was the last time I bought aftermarket speakers.

The shop owner promptly told me that my Jeep Infinity Gold speakers and amp were absolute crap and I'd need to replace everything and I wouldn't have any bass unless I added a subwoofer.

I let him know that I'm fine with the head unit, the 10-disc CD Changer and the amp might be OK but I really think I just need new speakers.

Guy said he would test the amp before he replaced it.

I picked out some speakers and what I thought was weird was that you can go from $60 to $250 for speakers without much visible or apparent auditory differences.

Long story short, the guy tested my factory amp and it was still working just fine. But, if I wanted a subwoofer, I would have needed a new amp.

Basically, I wound up spending $950 or so to replace 6 speakers but... the things that made it all worth it.
1 - I didn't have to jack with the body panels
2 - The work was completed same day

Like our OP, I just don't have the time to fool with it anymore.

And having not been in the market lately, I had no idea how crazy some of the aftermarket head units have become. Some of what they've got available is straight out of a Vin Diesel Fast & Furious movie.
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As you're contemplating a new system, I've discovered a few things lately that I've found to be interesting and might be relevant to you.

I've got 4 vehicles in my fleet with different audio capabilities.

1999 Ford Expedition sounds just as good as the day I bought it in 1999 except that the 6-disc CD changer got broken while my oldest daughter was in college so I think it's probably got a bunch of Rihanna, Nikki Minaj and Beyonce CDs stuck in it.

2001 Jeep Grand Cherokee sounds the best it's ever sounded after the $950 worth of new speakers.

2020 Jeep Wrangler sounds good with the sound bar and the subwoofer is great on songs that support it like - Miley Cyrus "Party in the USA" or Kendrick Lamar "Squabble Up". And it passes my Gorillaz "Clint Eastwood" test.

I listen to the Sirius XM radio a lot and it's pretty good. I like the features but Sirius itself gets old because they don't have real DJs like the late Jim Ladd, so they recycle the same songs repeatedly.

2014 BMW 7-Series with the Harmon Kardon speakers sounds amazing. But, it only sounds phenomenal when I'm listening to CDs. I mean it sounds great with CDs. Like I'm listening on headphones in my living room.

It has Sirius XM but it sounds terrible compared to my Jeep I guess because it's an older version. The digital compression isn't noticeable in the Wrangler but in my BMW, it is very noticeable. Now that might just be my perception after listening to CDs which I can't do in my Wrangler.

In summary - you can buy great speakers and such but if your source sucks (like the Sirius XM in my 2014 BMW), it's still going to sound awful.
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mefoghorn said:

I don't think it's risky if you find a reputable shop - not just a bunch of teenagers pushing the newest loudest crap. It seems you can articulate what you need and that will help.

Read up on various options for features on Crutchfield and list out priorities. You may hate touchscreens with no knob. Backup camera can be an easy add if car doesn't have one. Do you want any steering wheel controls to still run the stereo (extra wiring)? Do you want Apple CarPlay? You should be able to narrow down the head unit this way. But it sounds like you would want to work with a shop to make it happen.




Thank you for responded. You provided useful info. TY
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Thank you all for responding. I will take the offered pointers and will follow up once I pull together a few specs.
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