I have a gen 4 Coyote and am thinking about putting a Whipple charger on it. Any reasons/concerns I should think about before doing so. Only mod I have made so far is a Steeda air intake.
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….and Mustang, not F-150
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I personally don't understand adding turbos or superchargers without lowering the compression. The computer will limit the cylinder pressure to keep detonation away but why bother with a supercharger if the belt isn't at least 4 inches wide and pushing 26psi?
I personally don't understand adding turbos or superchargers without lowering the compression. The computer will limit the cylinder pressure to keep detonation away but why bother with a supercharger if the belt isn't at least 4 inches wide and pushing 26psi?
lb3 said:
Warranty?
I personally don't understand adding turbos or superchargers without lowering the compression. The computer will limit the cylinder pressure to keep detonation away but why bother with a supercharger if the belt isn't at least 4 inches wide and pushing 26psi?
You don't understand wanting to add "easy" HP without removing the engine then replacing the pistons, heads, and cam? Not everyone wants to build a race car. 100hp increase for a weekend's worth of work is a fun upgrade for most.
I'd do it OP. I threw an LSA on a relatively stock 5.3 and have had a lot of fun with the combo. The whine and instant torque of a roots style blower is nearly worth the cost. It's why I went blower over turbo on that truck. If you don't have sticky rear tires, traction will be an issue.
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I'd do it OP. I threw an LSA on a relatively stock 5.3 and have had a lot of fun with the combo.
Once the OP's question is answered to his satisfaction, I'd love for you to circle back and tell us more about this! I once mused about this for our C10 and my harness guy poo poo'ed it and said it would be troublesome. For the record, I just wanted the whine and moderate gains, just like you said in your post. Not to build a race car.
To the OP. Damn the torpedoes, DO IT, and post pics/videos!
A TVS will hit harder than a Whipple. Pound for pound, it'll make more average HP but a Whipple will have a higher peak HP figure.
Talk to your tuner (should be no one other than Lund) about your goals and they'll tell you exactly what needs to be done.
Days of lowering compression for boost are long gone.
Talk to your tuner (should be no one other than Lund) about your goals and they'll tell you exactly what needs to be done.
Days of lowering compression for boost are long gone.
lb3 said:
Warranty?
I personally don't understand adding turbos or superchargers without lowering the compression. The computer will limit the cylinder pressure to keep detonation away but why bother with a supercharger if the belt isn't at least 4 inches wide and pushing 26psi?
Because an extra 200hp and a bigger flatter torque curve are fun? 26psi is going to cost you at least an extra $30K (over a 10psi Whipple build) to build the car right. You'll need a built short block, return style fuel system, crank snout support, built trans and clutch, suspension mods, drag radials and life insurance.
The higher compression is largely negated by the cooling effect of direct injection. E85 helps as well.
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f burg ag said:
I have a gen 4 Coyote and am thinking about putting a Whipple charger on it. Any reasons/concerns I should think about before doing so. Only mod I have made so far is a Steeda air intake.
I'm not that familiar with 3rd and 4th gen, but if yours is a year model before they got rid of the oil pump gears, then you'll want to upgrade to billet OPGs during the install. If it were mine, I'd probably throw on a snout crank support and ATI dampener while that area is torn apart.
I'd go ahead and do long tube headers with high flow cats or no cats if you dare. I know melted cats were causing a lot of engine failures in late model whipple F150s.
Probably want to upgrade the clutch for torque. Go with an aftermarket throw out bearing, stainless clutch lines, and an MGW shifter.
Get a good tuner. LUND, Palm Beach Dyno, VMP are all good, but I haven't been keeping up with what's popular.
aggieforester05 said:f burg ag said:
I have a gen 4 Coyote and am thinking about putting a Whipple charger on it. Any reasons/concerns I should think about before doing so. Only mod I have made so far is a Steeda air intake.
I'm not that familiar with 3rd and 4th gen, but if yours is a year model before they got rid of the oil pump gears, then you'll want to upgrade to billet OPGs during the install. If it were mine, I'd probably throw on a snout crank support and ATI dampener while that area is torn apart.
I'd go ahead and do long tube headers with high flow cats or no cats if you dare. I know melted cats were causing a lot of engine failures in late model whipple F150s.
Probably want to upgrade the clutch for torque. Go with an aftermarket throw out bearing, stainless clutch lines, and an MGW shifter.
Get a good tuner. LUND, Palm Beach Dyno, VMP are all good, but I haven't been keeping up with what's popular.
Thanks for all the thoughts. I have read strong recommendations on going with long tube headers.
To my knowledge, they don't have a tuner for the Gen 4 just yet. But I will look out for them, because they are coming.
Long tubes are beneficial, but the catalytic converters are what's at risk of turning into Elephant's Foot and in turn popping the engine.
Tuning is available for Gen 4 and Lund is undoubtedly your safest bet. I'm not sure VMP even offers tuning anymore and PBD tweaks tunes that were stolen from Lund lol
Tuning is available for Gen 4 and Lund is undoubtedly your safest bet. I'm not sure VMP even offers tuning anymore and PBD tweaks tunes that were stolen from Lund lol
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