Wonder if Toyota will void warranties on these after they self immolate? Hopefully these can go more than 85 on their tires without bursting into flames.

Paint it green and it'll be great!

And now Cadillac will join the fray.

bevokilla said:

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Nope.

A newly developed 4-liter V8 twin turbo engine paired with a single motor hybrid system delivers over 650PS and over 850Nm* of torque.

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Nice German reference for the Pferdestarke

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And now Cadillac will join the fray.

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Indeed, Audi as well as they're taking over Kick-Sauber.

It would be great to have more factory teams manufacturing their own engines. It's almost boring that nearly half the field gets their engines from Ferrari and the other half from Mercedes.

Looks like a cross between and Jaguar F type and an old school Corvette Stingray. I like it!

My first thought was it looks likes a squared AMG GT

To me it's a stretched Camaro.

Front engine.

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bevokilla said:

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Nope.

A newly developed 4-liter V8 twin turbo engine paired with a single motor hybrid system delivers over 650PS and over 850Nm* of torque.

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Put that engine in the Tundra and they'd really have something.

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TRD Pro Street

Vehicle height lower than a S2000 and ND Miata?

heard price is $225-250k
msrp

aggiepaintrain said:

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heard price is $225-250k
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Did you hear that on the web or the streets?

That front-mid engined layout is always so awesomely weird with the long ass hoods.

Reminds me of the Merc SLR McLaren in proportions. I love Toyota staying in the halo car game. The LFA was awesome, but you hardly ever see them. Seems like they made 500 of them, and the owners stuck them in a garage to wipe down with diapers.

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techno-ag said:

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bevokilla said:

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Nope.

A newly developed 4-liter V8 twin turbo engine paired with a single motor hybrid system delivers over 650PS and over 850Nm* of torque.

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Put that engine in the Tundra and they'd really have something.

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How about just the regular Tundra so we don't have to pay the performance badge tax, where they magically add $30K - $50K to the MSRP.

When reducing displacement and adding hybrid tech to save MPGs a small V8 with turbos sized to make the correct midrange torque curve and a hybrid assist to make up for the lack of displacement and turbo lag is the way. Cutting off cylinders to reduce displacement is unnecessary and undesirable.

Ford, Stellantis, and Toyota would have been better off to start with small V8s instead of the buzzy six cylinders. Would have been a much more palatable path to smaller turbo motors for the average consumer.

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TSW2012 said:

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techno-ag said:

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bevokilla said:

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Nope.

A newly developed 4-liter V8 twin turbo engine paired with a single motor hybrid system delivers over 650PS and over 850Nm* of torque.

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Put that engine in the Tundra and they'd really have something.

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How about just the regular Tundra so we don't have to pay the performance badge tax, where they magically add $30K - $50K to the MSRP.

When reducing displacement and adding hybrid tech to save MPGs a small V8 with turbos sized to make the correct midrange torque curve and a hybrid assist to make up for the lack of displacement and turbo lag is the way. Cutting off cylinders to reduce displacement is unnecessary and undesirable.

Ford, Stellantis, and Toyota would have been better off to start with small V8s instead of the buzzy six cylinders. Would have been a much more palatable path to smaller turbo motors for the average consumer.

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My prescription is 4-6 cyl diesel hybrid with full time electric drive diesel as a generator.

does it have a third peddle?!

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aggieforester05 said:

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TSW2012 said:

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techno-ag said:

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bevokilla said:

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Nope.

A newly developed 4-liter V8 twin turbo engine paired with a single motor hybrid system delivers over 650PS and over 850Nm* of torque.

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Put that engine in the Tundra and they'd really have something.

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TRD Pro Street

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How about just the regular Tundra so we don't have to pay the performance badge tax, where they magically add $30K - $50K to the MSRP.

When reducing displacement and adding hybrid tech to save MPGs a small V8 with turbos sized to make the correct midrange torque curve and a hybrid assist to make up for the lack of displacement and turbo lag is the way. Cutting off cylinders to reduce displacement is unnecessary and undesirable.

Ford, Stellantis, and Toyota would have been better off to start with small V8s instead of the buzzy six cylinders. Would have been a much more palatable path to smaller turbo motors for the average consumer.

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My prescription is 4-6 cyl diesel hybrid with full time electric drive diesel as a generator.

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So the diesel-electric locomotive version?

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TSW2012 said:

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aggieforester05 said:

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TSW2012 said:

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techno-ag said:

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bevokilla said:

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Nope.

A newly developed 4-liter V8 twin turbo engine paired with a single motor hybrid system delivers over 650PS and over 850Nm* of torque.

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Put that engine in the Tundra and they'd really have something.

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TRD Pro Street

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How about just the regular Tundra so we don't have to pay the performance badge tax, where they magically add $30K - $50K to the MSRP.

When reducing displacement and adding hybrid tech to save MPGs a small V8 with turbos sized to make the correct midrange torque curve and a hybrid assist to make up for the lack of displacement and turbo lag is the way. Cutting off cylinders to reduce displacement is unnecessary and undesirable.

Ford, Stellantis, and Toyota would have been better off to start with small V8s instead of the buzzy six cylinders. Would have been a much more palatable path to smaller turbo motors for the average consumer.

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My prescription is 4-6 cyl diesel hybrid with full time electric drive diesel as a generator.

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So the diesel-electric locomotive version?

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Precisely

I like the idea, just not sure about the practicality in a half ton platform. Seems like the way to go for heavy duty trucks.

It will be heavy, it will be expensive, it will be unnecessarily complex.

Diesel fuel is more expensive than the regular gas that ecoboosts, hybrids and the range extended gas trucks will use.

NVH is going to be an issue for all range extended vehicles. They're either going to have to use relatively large engines that run at a low constant RPM (likely divisible by 60) or smaller engines at high rpm or constant boost (lots of heat).

What could be interesting and I have no idea how feasible this is, would be to allow traditional engine rpm variations to control the frequency output to variable drive motors. Tesla uses VFDs to control three phase motor speed, whereas diesel electric locomotives use 50Hz or 60HZ three phase electric motors. I'm not sure if that would be a problem for the voltage and current requirements of the motor though. That would drive like a CVT without the soul sucking power loss. Would not be as responsive as a constant rpm setup, but should have all the power once the rpms are up.