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We are planning to trade in my wife's 2020 Volvo XC90 PHEV, has been a great car with some minor issues with the infotainment unit, mainly apple carplay.

Considering another Volvo XC90

BMW X5 PHEV
Mercedes GLE450e PHEV

Anyone have any input?
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Wait for the Grand Wagoneer 4xe EREV?
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Interesting. I like the idea but buying a jeep does not get me excited from a reliability standpoint.

Lots of horror stories with the Wagoneer.

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Why a plug in?
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Volvo V60 T8 eAWD Polestar Engineered
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JAW3336 said:

Interesting. I like the idea but buying a jeep does not get me excited from a reliability standpoint.

Lots of horror stories with the Wagoneer.



But Volvo, BMW, and Mercedes are ok?

In all seriousness I'm not that familiar with the exact issues on the initial Wagoneers. Dunno if it was the new Hurricane engine, COVID build quality, or electrical stuff.

No hurricane on the EREV, just a pretty reliable Pentastar V6.

I think everyone is right to be skeptical of this setup from Stellantis just because of all the production delays. and it being a new product. It's hard to tell if the delays are because the software/engineering has been a nightmare, chaos/turnover in leadership, or the constant re-shuffling of production capacity. Maybe some combination of all 3.
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Flaith said:

Volvo V60 T8 eAWD Polestar Engineered

We have this in the XC90, wife wants a SUV.
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Several days a week her trips are 50 miles or less and would be almost all electric driving, 1-2 days a week its closer to 100 miles round trip.

2-3 times a year it goes to New Mexico so an all electric wouldn't work.
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The hurricane was probably the root of the issues.

I am also hesitant due to having been in some grand cherokees that weren't that old but were complete trash.

Hypocritically, I love my 21 Ram 3500. It has been great.

I don't think I will get the first year model after reading about how much trouble BMW had with their first yeat X5 PHEV.
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JAW3336 said:

We are planning to trade in my wife's 2020 Volvo XC90 PHEV, has been a great car with some minor issues with the infotainment unit, mainly apple carplay.

Considering another Volvo XC90

BMW X5 PHEV
Mercedes GLE450e PHEV

Anyone have any input?

She using one of the wireless carplay dongles in the xc90?
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JAW3336 said:

Interesting. I like the idea but buying a jeep does not get me excited from a reliability standpoint.

Lots of horror stories with the Wagoneer.



https://www.reddit.com/r/whatcarshouldIbuy/search/?q=wagoneer
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no, direct plug in
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JAW3336 said:

We are planning to trade in my wife's 2020 Volvo XC90 PHEV, has been a great car with some minor issues with the infotainment unit, mainly apple carplay.

Considering another Volvo XC90

BMW X5 PHEV
Mercedes GLE450e PHEV

Anyone have any input?

Sister was shopping for a new SUV and a friend of hers who works for BMW told her they've really not worked out all the kinks on the PHEV X5 and to stay away for now.
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Was that recently? I heard they had problems with the 2024 but fixed the mainly software issues and the 25 was better and the 26 was good to go.
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I hope you're buying used.
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Lexus RX
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The RX is a little small and kinda slow.
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Ford Excursion has a plug and is a diesel/biodiesel hybrid
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JAW3336 said:

The RX is a little small and kinda slow.


But will still be running after the warranty expires….
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Lexus TX

But they sure are proud of them.
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Yes, just last summer. Maybe it was the 2024 model b/c she was looking at 1-2yr old CPO vehicles.
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S-tier: Porsche Cayenne E-Hybrid

Behind that, it's probably a question of preference between the XC90, X5, GLE.

X5 is probably the most fun to drive of that trio, the Merc is likely the most luxurious and has the longest electric-only range, XC90 probably has the best hybrid system (regen, integration, etc) since they've been doing it for a long time.

Mom-tier: Lexus TX hybrid
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She loves her Volvo, but I am.pushing for the X5 just to have something different.

We will be testing them all.
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I had a 23 BMW X5 xDrive45E. Was nice. My biggest gripe was it's not nearly as fun to drive as the 2020 X5 that it replaced h less you put it in sport mode to use gas engine and electric power….

In full electric mode it was under powered. I can't speak about what they changed for the xDrive50e…. But something to consider in all models. Test drive them in electric only mode.
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I wouldn't touch anything made by Stellantis. BMW's are also not immune to issues. I have a friend who has an 2022 X5 PHEV that is expected to be in the shop for months due to a battery failure.

I love the idea of a PHEV, but based on my experience with my 4xe I'll have a hard time ever getting another one.
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We've owned a 2024 Volvo XC60 PHEV (wife's daily driver) for about 18 months now and really like it. Plug it into regular 110V for overnight charging or for free at her office. Thing hauls ass especially when you've got electrons + gasoline = zoom zoom.
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You might want to look at the Mazda CX-90 PHEV.
I have a 2025 CX-90 MHEV Turbo S w/ Inline 6, and it's pretty nice.
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Too bad they don't have the inline 6 on the PHEV, that would be awesome.
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I'm casually looking at PHEVs and drive a new XC90 T8 this week…took the Mazda cx90 equivalent for a test drive a few months ago and that thing was kind of bizarre. Not a good utilization of space at all and the power delivery was just strange. No thanks at least not for my family.

The XC90 by comparison felt very normal and nice and linear. Easy to drive and a better use of the space for the size, still not as good as some more modern designs. I'm leaning towards this one if I can find a decent deal. Don't like the larger rims and wish it had more buttons still.
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We have 70k miles on our 2020 volvo xc90 T8. My wife loves it and it has been a good car.

We had the onboard charger repplaced twice under warranty. Abut 2-3 years ago the battery capacity went down from 20 miles of range to 13. Dealership blames it on weather and other bs and won't do anything to fix it.

The only other issue is the apple carplay. It is very finicky and has been for most of the cars life. Dealership can't offer any solutions.

We are considering getting another one. I wish they had more changes in the past 6 years. I also wish they would start selling the XC70 here, it as 100+ miles of range on the hybrid battery.
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I would read Consumer Reports before buying any car. They have been our go to for reliability.
$39 per year for good product testing and information is worth it in my book.

https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/hybrids-evs?EXTKEY=SG72C00&--&gclsrc=aw.ds&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=1506268298&gbraid=0AAAAAD-SwFSZyfiWD5AE5T7z2w7LfGBqp&gclid=Cj0KCQiAm9fLBhCQARIsAJoNOcvJGgMjG1CpGhwLXJwLwz5as0owu_lZR8CuWfY63urLX6e4luSqpF4aAvpKEALw_wcB
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JAW3336 said:

We have 70k miles on our 2020 CX90 T8. My wife loves it and it has been a good car.




Mazda Cx90 or Lolvo XC90?
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Oops, Volvo
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We got a X5 e50 last December, so a little over a year in. I haven't owned a ton of cars, but this X5 is super comfortable and very nice. The air suspension is amazing, it is incredible on the highway and the performance is good for what it is. When I say good, I'm comparing to a X3 Comp and Cayman GT4. Both of those are just another level. I really, really like the looks with the wheels/tint job I had done. I'm a BMW fan, so didn't even look at other PHEV options.

One of the main reasons we got this was to tow our camper out west. I am very pleased with its overall towing ability. We are able to charge the X5 at campgrounds while the camper is also hooked up, which is kinda like getting fuel.

Overall, I'm very happy with the X5 e50. We didn't buy our first tank of gas until we had it for 6 months, and haven't bought a tank of gas since September given we drive it mostly locally around Houston. The only time we've bought gas is on road/camping trips. However, one quirky thing that really gets me is that the level 1 charger basically doesn't work if the ambient temperature is over about 85. BMW hasn't yet admitted this, but anecdotal evidence on message boards/etc pretty much confirms it. So far, this has only been an issue for me in May/June and Sept/Oct while we're in Houston. We're in Northern Utah most of the summer where it rarely gets above 82 at our house, so not an issue at all up there. We pay 7.5 cents/kwh at our place in Utah, which makes it very economical up there. Our rate in Houston is 15 cents/kWh, so not nearly as econmical as Utah.

I *want* to keep this car for a long time. If we decide to keep after the warranty expires, I will consider an extended warranty for 2-4 years longer or trade it in on something else. The towing wear and tear will definitely be a deciding factor.

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Thanks for the post.

Are there issues with a level 2 charger at higher temps?
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