EMY92 said:

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The original Tundra V8 had issues as well. But, the one thing Toyota does well is incrementally improving the engine each year. After several years and a lot learned from failure, the old V8 was awesome.

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Talmbout the 4.7 that was in the 2000-2006 Tundra, 2000-2007 Sequoia, similar age V8 4Runners, and 100 series Land Cruisers/Lexus? I own two and the only known issues are caused by lack of preventive maintenance on doing the timing belt at intervals. Otherwise it's a bulletproof motor and a huge reason resale for all the aforementioned vehicles is strong.

The later 5.7 was also a great motor.

I hate to hear about these new hybrid/turbo units having issues. But Toyota made their bed in deciding to get on the commie government bandwagon.

txags92 said:

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Jason C. said:

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EMY92 said:

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The original Tundra V8 had issues as well. But, the one thing Toyota does well is incrementally improving the engine each year. After several years and a lot learned from failure, the old V8 was awesome.

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Talmbout the 4.7 that was in the 2000-2006 Tundra, 2000-2007 Sequoia, similar age V8 4Runners, and 100 series Land Cruisers/Lexus? I own two and the only known issues are caused by lack of preventive maintenance on doing the timing belt at intervals. Otherwise it's a bulletproof motor and a huge reason resale for all the aforementioned vehicles is strong.

The later 5.7 was also a great motor.

I hate to hear about these new hybrid/turbo units having issues. But Toyota made their bed in deciding to get on the commie government bandwagon.

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The government made the decision for them by setting the CAFE standards so high that anybody who wasn't selling plug in electrics (at a loss mostly) as part of their fleet had no choice but to start making most of their vehicles with engines that were prioritized for fuel economy, at the expense of other things like dependability.

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Showing my ignorance, but was hybrid not good enough to meet these standards? They've been doing that for years, have near perfected that technology, and from my experience they get the same or better mileage than these turbo-only options. My powerboost f150 (yes, I know there's a turbo in this to pair with they hybrid system too) gets better mileage than the turbo-only options. Would hybrid-only trucks with an NA v6 not work well enough in this scenario? And how did ford pass up the reliability of turbos compared to Toyota...?

Kaiser von Wilhelm said:

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txags92 said:

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Jason C. said:

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EMY92 said:

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The original Tundra V8 had issues as well. But, the one thing Toyota does well is incrementally improving the engine each year. After several years and a lot learned from failure, the old V8 was awesome.

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Talmbout the 4.7 that was in the 2000-2006 Tundra, 2000-2007 Sequoia, similar age V8 4Runners, and 100 series Land Cruisers/Lexus? I own two and the only known issues are caused by lack of preventive maintenance on doing the timing belt at intervals. Otherwise it's a bulletproof motor and a huge reason resale for all the aforementioned vehicles is strong.

The later 5.7 was also a great motor.

I hate to hear about these new hybrid/turbo units having issues. But Toyota made their bed in deciding to get on the commie government bandwagon.

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The government made the decision for them by setting the CAFE standards so high that anybody who wasn't selling plug in electrics (at a loss mostly) as part of their fleet had no choice but to start making most of their vehicles with engines that were prioritized for fuel economy, at the expense of other things like dependability.

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Showing my ignorance, but was hybrid not good enough to meet these standards? They've been doing that for years, have near perfected that technology, and from my experience they get the same or better mileage than these turbo-only options. My powerboost f150 (yes, I know there's a turbo in this to pair with they hybrid system too) gets better mileage than the turbo-only options. Would hybrid-only trucks with an NA v6 not work well enough in this scenario? And how did ford pass up the reliability of turbos compared to Toyota...?

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Hybrids get somewhat better mpg, but the battery only electrics basically double the mileage of one other vehicle for every one they sell. Ford and others who were selling pure electrics were basically offsetting the mileage of one truck or suv with an inefficient engine for every electric they sold.

My impression is that Toyota rushed these to market because the steep increases in the CAFE standards were rushed into place ahead of when they were expected by the Obama and Biden administrations. So instead of having 6-10 years to plan for and test their engines to achieve the desired mileage, they got about 3-4 years. I personally doubt that Toyota ever would have gone for the turbo 4/6s in trucks without being literally forced to by the aggressive standards. The fact that they didn't preserve the option for the older more reliable 6 and 8 cyl engines is proof to me that they knew those would be more popular choices and they had to sell only the newer engines to meet the fleet standards.

haven't looked at the numbers in a while but it was around 1000 engine seizures in mid 2024 that had seized and warrantied before the official recall last I looked. so 1000 out of ~250,000
units

Has been available to public since dec 2021 so 4.5 year and ~ 423,000 trucks non hybrid

Still more likely to die from covid 1/100 than have your engine seize in a new tundra 1/250 based on the numbers I have seen. If any one has updated numbers I would love to see them

I drove a '14 Tundra with the 5.7 and now have a '23. Zero regrets with the new one and like the V6 better (better towing, better acceleration, and better gas mileage). Thinking of trading for a refreshed '27. Maybe a TRD Pro or Hammer.