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texag06ish
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I need to incorporate stretching into my workout schedule. I have a pretty low range of motion everywhere and would like to improve that.

Tell me about your routine. Why do you do it? What areas are you targeting? How often? How did you settle on your routine? What resources did you use to put together your routine?

Thanks in advance!
jtraggie99
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Yoga 2-3 times a week at a studio would be ideal. There have been times over the last 10 years I've gone almost daily. I don't make it currently as much as I need to for various reasons. I do what I need to at home though, go through poses that help with tight areas as needed.

I've never found static stretching to be that beneficial.
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A lot of the stretches I do are ones I picked up during PT.

Most workouts, I like to start with some sort of dynamic movement and then start adding in isolation stretches.

Push day:

Windmills or whatever they're called (rotating arms around in circles)
Band chest stretches
Chicken wings
AC banded rotations (internal and external)
Laying raises with a 2.5-5lb plate (lay on stomach and with plates in hand, raise off ground to T position for 15-20 reps. I also do this with hands by glutes, hands out in front like an I and Y)
Occasionally I'll also start with external rotations with a light dumbbell and elbow on my knee

Legs:
Leg swings
Single leg box squats and then tempo box squats
Spanish squats (for Patellar tendinitis, if I have had pain)
Various hip stretches
Quad and hamstring stretch
Ankle mobility and hip stretches

Pull:
I don't do enough here but will usually just grab bar or platform with an alternating grip and stretch lats
My first workout for a warmup is pull ups so I treat those as a "warm up"

Arms:
If I stretch, I do AC stuff mostly
I'll also stretch my triceps/tendons by holding hands locked together above my head for 20-30 seconds at a time (I've got tendinitis in one elbow)

Sponge
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I am a solo person myself and never do group stuff. As an ultra trail runner I have looked up various running stretches and based a routine based on those; a combination of different YouTube stuff that runners recommend. But then also routines from specific injuries from pelvic floor PT and knee Ortho PT.
So general calf, quad, glute stuff but then specific adductor and gracilis muscle stretches for certain issues. So many stretches it's a few one day then a few the next day and alternate. The big thing is measuring improvement and range of motion. If lacking in one area, what is your goal and slowly reach towards that goal.
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I've been stretching most mornings because the flexibility in my legs is pretty poor. I started using an app called Bend and you can choose different routines depending on your goals. I've been doing a 13 minute set for hips and another 12 minute set for hamstrings.
P.U.T.U
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Yoga aimed at increasing mobility or doing something like P90X3 mobility X.

Honestly I have gotten a lot more flexible doing BJJ again since I have to stretch before every workout. BJJ is helping a little in the flexibility but its mostly the consistency of stretching regularly.
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I try and do Peloton stretching or yoga on a frequent basis
theeyetest
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Have heard amazing things about DDP Yoga. The success stories are quite phenomenal. He's a former Pro Wrestler who used to to rehab his pretty gnarly injuries.
lazuras_dc
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I found these to be really good for mobility and flexibility, do a custom routine including a lot of these plus some knees over toe guy stuff once a week, and then just a 15min yoga routine off youtube once a week as wel





MRB10
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YouTube sunrise salutation. It's a good warm up for static stretching and likely a good place to start in general. I do 6 rounds first thing after waking up and before I start my routine.

I frequently skip the static stuff if traveling and just do more rounds of this if need to get moving quickly in the morning.
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BassCowboy33
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texag06ish said:

I need to incorporate stretching into my workout schedule. I have a pretty low range of motion everywhere and would like to improve that.

Tell me about your routine. Why do you do it? What areas are you targeting? How often? How did you settle on your routine? What resources did you use to put together your routine?

Thanks in advance!

On lifting days, my stretching routine is a full 20% of my workout, more so on afternoons than mornings, when cold stretching can do more harm than good.

On leg days, what I call "Legsual Assault", I will also stretch right before bed. That's when I can get in a really deep stretch, touching head to knees and getting pretty close to a full split.

I used to do yoga back when, which is very helpful if you have the time and money for it. If you're in a phase where you're focused less on strength and more on weight and range of motion, definitely incorporate more yoga.
Capitol Ag
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texag06ish said:

I need to incorporate stretching into my workout schedule. I have a pretty low range of motion everywhere and would like to improve that.

Tell me about your routine. Why do you do it? What areas are you targeting? How often? How did you settle on your routine? What resources did you use to put together your routine?

Thanks in advance!
I no longer stretch. I train 6x a week, RP Hypertrophy app, basically body building workout. I get everything I need frtom my training for my flexibility, stability and balance. I now firmly believe that stretching and increased flexibility do not reduce injury. And studies pretty much back that up (PMIDs: 26642915 and 15782063) BUT, it can be a fun and healthy thing to do and a great challenge.
94chem
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I don't stretch. It's a waste of time. If I need to stretch, like for sprinting, throwing, or whatever strenuous activity, I simply warm up by doing the activity gradually. The arm stretches we used to do before baseball practice did nothing but push our elbows and shoulders beyond the range we needed. As a racquetball player, I hit the ball to warm up. Now as a runner, I run to warm up. Static stretching is not any part of any pre-activity ritual.
94chem,
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MRB10
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I think it depends on what you do it for. I got into it after a foot surgery 10 years ago. Keeping my lower legs loose helped with post op discomfort.

Now, I do it because I wake up tight and like how I feel after loosening up. I also fall asleep much easier after 20-30min of stretching and there appears to be a mental benefit, similar to meditation, from focusing on this before bed. I guess it is my way of decompressing after a day of work/kids.

To each their own.
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aggiederelict
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I am a physical therapist and encourage especially my older patients to stretch to maintain good mobility. It is helpful in pain reduction when not in the acute phase of tendonitis or even a nerve irritation. Also it provides a tensile load to that can helpful for remodeling during a tendonosis under load which is why you see protocols (alfredsons) utilize them for rehab. This idea that stretching does nothing seems so odd to me. It clearly has an impact for certain things.
25Lighters
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I started doing stretch routines by Tom Merrick. He has a ton of easy to follow routines on YouTube that range from 15 minutes to an hour. I never go longer than 25 minutes and I've noticed less aches and pains throughout the day.

Also, Knees Over Toes Guy has some excellent videos on 4-5 primary stretches that have helped build his body back. I try t incorporate them in my routine.
94chem
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aggiederelict said:

I am a physical therapist and encourage especially my older patients to stretch to maintain good mobility. It is helpful in pain reduction when not in the acute phase of tendonitis or even a nerve irritation. Also it provides a tensile load to that can helpful for remodeling during a tendonosis under load which is why you see protocols (alfredsons) utilize them for rehab. This idea that stretching does nothing seems so odd to me. It clearly has an impact for certain things.


Yeah, I meant that stretching in and of itself is good. I've just not found it to be beneficial as any pre-sport activity.
94chem,
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Capitol Ag
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aggiederelict said:

I am a physical therapist and encourage especially my older patients to stretch to maintain good mobility. It is helpful in pain reduction when not in the acute phase of tendonitis or even a nerve irritation. Also it provides a tensile load to that can helpful for remodeling during a tendonosis under load which is why you see protocols (alfredsons) utilize them for rehab. This idea that stretching does nothing seems so odd to me. It clearly has an impact for certain things.
Not saying it doesn't have a place and yes, it can be very beneficial depending on the situation and the person. You are working with elderly people who aren't likely trained individuals, so if this is their only form of movement, yes, it is greatly beneficial to them. Any modality where one can move, gain mobility and balance when they are not likely to lift weights can be very good for that type of individual. Pilates and yoga can be great for the less active people who are not trained. I argue these modalities do little to help weight lifters who get more than enough benefits from the actual lifting to get much of anything from yoga or pilates (might ruffle feathers here as I know some folks who swear by it but the evidence just doesn't back up that they help lifting) If these were younger trained individuals on the other hand, they likely shouldn't "stretch" and won't need much mobilizing outside of performing the warmups for the actual lifts themselves.

But, what has become fashionable in recent years is a lot of "experts" claiming the need to mobilize before any and all activities and throwing around claims that it would prevent injuries. The problem with that is that the overwhelming amount of evidence shows it doesn't. Some mobilizing can be great but in reality almost all mobilizing that works is really just a lighter version of the movement about to be performed, especially when lifting. I still sit unloaded into my squats, push my knees out with my elbows before I squat or do almost any kind of pressing activity with my legs. But that is essentially a squat without weight when you think about it. I sometimes will do ankle mobility movements if they feel tight. But we are talking about less then a minute each while "resting" between warmups sets. But the idea that every lifter needs a mobilizing protocol is is very misguided (not saying you advocate that). I saw a girl who claimed to be a PT say on her IG that you NEED to do her 20-30 min (seriously-you can't make this up) mobilizing drills for shoulders b4 doing your shoulder training. She never once stated any specific people with prior injuries or anything. Just everyone should be doing this or they greatly risk injury. I was laughing at the idea that in the time i could have just trained my shoulders, using proper warmups, i would be mobilizing needlessly. Maybe if it were a person with prior serious shoulder injuries, but even then, likely non of it is needed.

CC09LawAg
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I agree with this. And the issue that I have with people like that is they're creating another barrier of entry for people who want to work out but are starting from scratch. "How can I possibly find 20 extra minutes just to warm up, plus an hour long workout?"

It just adds unnecessary time that most people don't have or don't think they have, so they just say "no thanks" and do nothing instead.
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CC09LawAg said:

I agree with this. And the issue that I have with people like that is they're creating another barrier of entry for people who want to work out but are starting from scratch. "How can I possibly find 20 extra minutes just to warm up, plus an hour long workout?"

It just adds unnecessary time that most people don't have or don't think they have, so they just say "no thanks" and do nothing instead.


When in a time crunch, stretching is usually the first thing eliminated. It's easy to make up for later in the day, and I know some people who swear by stretching after workouts rather than before. What you want to avoid is being one of those people who can't touch their toes or whose arms have the flexibility of a gantry crane. That's where people usually run into injury trouble. For heavy lifters, keeping the hips flexible is especially important.

For me, it's just as much therapeutic as anything else. Get your breathing right, get your mind right, and attack.
aggiederelict
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I work with patients of all ages and abilities. From professional athletes to older patients looking to play with their grandkids. I also lift 3-4 days per week myself.

I would agree about stretching with respect to prevention of injuries. But you also have to understand that we don't even have a screening tool to predict injuries.

When I get to them gym I like to warm up sets to get the blood flowing and prepare for some heavier lifts like a lot of people do. But if there is some joint restriction that didn't seem to workout itself out with warm up sets then I like to address it more specifically with mobility work. This doesn't require much time at all.

If stretching gets people in the mindset of getting ready to do work then I see it as a positive. If they view it as a nuisance that impedes their ability to get in their desired workout then I view that as a negative. I think context and expectations are important here.

With respect to what CC09LawAg said about creating a barrier to working out I would agree to some extent. We want to reduce barriers to people working out. But the gym culture of taking videos of your workouts and constantly posting unrealistic photos of people's physiques probably has more of a detriment to a beginner working out then someone suggesting you should get a nice warm up first via stretching.
P.U.T.U
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Most people think stretching is things like touching your toes, or for most trying, and then to the next static stretch. Active/mobility stretching is much more efficient and useful. You can get "warm" quicker and slowly your mobility gets better which is important as we age.

People are just looking for an excuse to not workout if they say they don't have time to stretch and workout. My workouts are 30-45 tops (besides bjj) and that includes stretching. I modify my workouts around my time as well, if I only have 20-25 minutes I will do a workout that does not require me to warmup for as long. But that 20 minute workout is ten times better than the workout I didn't do
BassCowboy33
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P.U.T.U said:

Most people think stretching is things like touching your toes, or for most trying, and then to the next static stretch. Active/mobility stretching is much more efficient and useful. You can get "warm" quicker and slowly your mobility gets better which is important as we age.

People are just looking for an excuse to not workout if they say they don't have time to stretch and workout. My workouts are 30-45 tops (besides bjj) and that includes stretching. I modify my workouts around my time as well, if I only have 20-25 minutes I will do a workout that does not require me to warmup for as long. But that 20 minute workout is ten times better than the workout I didn't do
I always say it like this: carving out one hour, five days per week isn't that difficult. That's 3% of your week. To put that into perspective, the average person spends 13.5% of their week surfing their cell phone and 16.7% watching TV.
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aggiederelict said:

I work with patients of all ages and abilities. From professional athletes to older patients looking to play with their grandkids. I also lift 3-4 days per week myself.

I would agree about stretching with respect to prevention of injuries. But you also have to understand that we don't even have a screening tool to predict injuries.

When I get to them gym I like to warm up sets to get the blood flowing and prepare for some heavier lifts like a lot of people do. But if there is some joint restriction that didn't seem to workout itself out with warm up sets then I like to address it more specifically with mobility work. This doesn't require much time at all.

If stretching gets people in the mindset of getting ready to do work then I see it as a positive. If they view it as a nuisance that impedes their ability to get in their desired workout then I view that as a negative. I think context and expectations are important here.

With respect to what CC09LawAg said about creating a barrier to working out I would agree to some extent. We want to reduce barriers to people working out. But the gym culture of taking videos of your workouts and constantly posting unrealistic photos of people's physiques probably has more of a detriment to a beginner working out then someone suggesting you should get a nice warm up first via stretching.


Actually 100% agree with this. Hell, I figured out a long time ago that foam rolling didn't actually do much for the Target muscle. BUT all the motion and the very act of holding my body in place while moving got my blood flowing and heated me up. It was a "warm up" in the very sense of the term. If something is working for you, whether a study shows its does or doesn't actually do anything, keep doing it. I just really like to follow the evidence based community (not saying you don't obviously) and have to say I do get tired of the people out there spewing out wrong info about the "dangers" of not mobilizing for some crazy amount of time when all they needed to do to get ready for their hack squat was to actually hack squat in the unloaded machine and go up from there.
aggiederelict
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People that say don't do this or you must do that are just selling something. Plain and simple. One way declarative statements get the attention of people and gets them to comment. Nuance doesn't sell well but the reality most things need context.

With respect to the evidenced based community, there is so much garbage research that is often cited when people make claims. When you look up the research it isn't actually saying very much or even supportive of the statements the individual made.
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