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First kid on the way - vaccines

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KidDoc seems like one of the good ones. I tend to be a bit of a skeptic as we have seen vaccine schedules exponentially grow in the last couple of decades. Curious as to thoughts on the seemingly ridiculous amounts of marketing and advertising regarding vaccines.
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10andBOUNCE said:

KidDoc seems like one of the good ones. I tend to be a bit of a skeptic as we have seen vaccine schedules exponentially grow in the last couple of decades. Curious as to thoughts on the seemingly ridiculous amounts of marketing and advertising regarding vaccines.
I would love to see all pharma marketing stopped. It just drives up the cost and inflates demand even when it is sometimes not appropriate.
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I too am waiting for the income from all those life saving tetanus boosters we give to bolster me into retirement
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KidDoc said:

10andBOUNCE said:

KidDoc seems like one of the good ones. I tend to be a bit of a skeptic as we have seen vaccine schedules exponentially grow in the last couple of decades. Curious as to thoughts on the seemingly ridiculous amounts of marketing and advertising regarding vaccines.
I would love to see all pharma marketing stopped. It just drives up the cost and inflates demand even when it is sometimes not appropriate.
I appreciate that. Is it not partially damning the levels of marketing? The amount of money involved is crazy, so is it not reasonable for some to have valid concerns over the necessity of some of these vaccines? They obviously aren't pumping out vaccines from the kindness of their hearts. They are doing it to make as much money as possible.
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Regarding kiddoc giving you info about vaccines

You implied that he has a financial interest in people getting vaccines. That's absurd
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Yes it is certainly worth looking at benefit vs risk of each vaccine for each child. That is what your child's doctor should be doing.

However it is very risky for any doc to go against ACIP guidelines as it is opening themselves up to liability. If I tell you not to get HiB and your child somehow gets the first HiB infection I have seen in 25 years and dies then I have no legal defense. So I always advise following the ACIP guidelines but if a family wants me to go through each one and they can decide yea or nay I'm happy to do that as well as long as it is their decision not mine.

Hopefully with RFK wanting all the schedules reviewed we can see some changes as there is little to no reason to be vaccinating for hep B in a newborn with good prenatal care and negative Hep B in the mother.

-- looked up invasive hib rate on AI----

In the last 10 years, invasive *Haemophilus influenzae* type b (Hib) infections have been exceedingly rare in the United States due to widespread vaccination programs. Based on available data:

- From 2009 to 2018, only 36 cases of invasive Hib infections were reported among children under five years old nationwide[3].
- Between 2014 and 2018, the incidence of invasive Hib disease was estimated at 0.04 cases per 100,000 population annually[2].
- Sporadic cases continue to occur in undervaccinated communities or among unvaccinated individuals, as highlighted by isolated incidents like two unvaccinated infants with Hib meningitis in New York between 2022 and 2023[5].

Overall, invasive Hib infections remain rare, with most reported cases occurring in young children who are unvaccinated or undervaccinated.

Citations:
[1] https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/53/12/1230/402774
[2] https://journals.asm.org/doi/10.1128/Spectrum.00803-21
[3] https://www.nnph.org/files/ephp/epi-news/2024/Vol%2044%20No%2014%2005-20-2024%20Epi%20News%20H.%20flu.pdf
[4] https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6181225/
[5] https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/31/3/24-0946_article
[6] https://www.immunize.org/wp-content/uploads/catg.d/p4206.pdf
[7] https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8262803/
[8] https://stacks.cdc.gov/view/cdc/176234
[9] https://hhs.iowa.gov/center-acute-disease-epidemiology/epi-manual/reportable-diseases/hib-disease
[10] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK562176/
[11] https://journals.asm.org/doi/10.1128/cmr.00028-21
[12] https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/73/wr/mm7332a1.htm
[13] https://publications.aap.org/redbook/book/755/chapter/14077439/Haemophilus-influenzae-Infections
[14] https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/news-events/invasive-haemophilus-influenzae-disease-2022-annual-report-shows-increased-number-cases
[15] https://www.cdc.gov/hi-disease/php/surveillance/index.html
[16] https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/67/6/881/4917368
[17] https://publications.aap.org/redbook/book/347/chapter/5752134/Haemophilus-influenzae-Infections
[18] https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/14760584.2020.1825948
[19] https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/invasive-haemophilus-influenzae-disease/facts
[20] https://www.paho.org/en/topics/haemophilus-influenzae

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KidDoc said:

When i was training at Ben Taub back in the early 2000s we had a teen patient in an iron lung with a bad case of Guillian Burre. Safer and much more comfortable than a vent. She got better with plasmaphoresis.

Obviously an unusual case since I still remember it

Hey, we almost certainly overlapped! Was there around the same time (radiology). May have sat through Feigin rounds together even when I was a student!
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drewbie96 said:

My wife is an OT and nutritionist. She recommends this for anyone that has questions about vaccines for kids.

https://www.myehialoha.org/product/vaccine-education-for-mama-bears/
Do NOT click on this link or waste any time or money on this nonsense. It's a non-physician quack peddling false info.
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drewbie96 said:

OP was looking for unbiased writeup. And any doctor trying to claim they are not in it to make a profit or doing it for the money, they are lying their f-ing ass off.
what a ridiculous uninformed post

Lol
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Do you feel better? Are you a physician?
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I am not a physician, but one of those evil overpaid administrators who only cares about money. If you think vaccines are some sort of cash cow that is being exploited for more money, then you are either very ill-informed or a complete idiot.
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If there is one medical profession I would trust the most with the healthcare decisions for my child, it would definitely be an occupational therapist.
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Nope, never said that, never inferred it and don't think that at all.

OP, good luck to you and good on you for questioning the status quo on behalf of your newborn. You can clearly see what you are up against. Plenty of sheep in here for you to follow.
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Wow, you're a dick!
Captain Winky
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I'd say you're a bigger dick for peddling that insane website as legitimate medical advice.
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If there is one medical profession I would trust the most with the healthcare decisions for my child, it would definitely be an occupational therapist.


POST OF THE YEAR
drewbie96
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Lol!! "legitimate medical advice" That is a contradiction of terms.

Last GP I went to 10 yrs ago for allergies and chronic sinus infections had me taking 5 different meds and nasal sprays and didn't solve the problem. He said that is all he could do for me. At the time he was chief of staff for Methodist West in Houston. Suggested I see an ENT in the same practice who recommended surgery to fix a "deviated septum". I elected not to do the surgery. At the same time my wife was doing a lot of research on food allergies and inflammation and we went on Whole30 diet. Within two weeks, my allergies and sinus infections disappeared and have never come back and I have never taken any allergy meds since. Dairy was the culprit.

Y'all can keep fear mongering, but clearly traditional medicine is failing Americans and it is folks looking at the underlying causes that will get America healthy again.

People are waking up and if you don't think so, then why do so many restaurants offer gluten and dairy free options now?
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why do so many restaurants offer gluten and dairy free options now


Bc the uninformed somehow think gluten free/dairy free = healthier.

In regards to dairy…it wouldn't shock me if it's the gums, not dairy itself. Soooo many emulsifiers in cheese, yogurt, etc. You have ti hunt down clean dairy.
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