Books on the war in Iraq

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SuzyQ06
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Ok, I'm looking for a book that will help me be a little more knowledgable on events in Iraq, issues with withdrawing troop, and the current political situation overall. My personal opinion is that pulling out is a bad idea, but I'm willing to keep an open mind for the books I read.

Here's why I'm looking for a few books: my brother and I debate on this all the time and he just kills me! And I hate losing! I can't back up my arguments with facts/history where he can (points to Beirut, Somalia...other conflict where we got the hell out). Anyways, I'm a pretty smart gal, but I'm finding that I'm rather dumb in this area so I need to remedy that.

Thanks
BQ78
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Your brother unfortunately is right, America seldom has staying power. We either lose interest or get a bloody nose and leave because of pansies at home. Iraq is playing out the same way.
Karrde
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Any book out right now about Iraq is a political hack job most likely, for one side or the other. Good historical analysis usually needs some time for all sides of the story to come out. There are still amazing revelations about cold war era history as more and more documents become unclassified.
SuzyQ06
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Agh! Don't tell me my brother is right!

Is there any book out there that is a relatively good commentary on Iraq...Not opposed to "political hack job" books, as long as I get another book with an equally biased view from the opposing side.
SuzyQ06
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Actually, I'd also be interested in a book dealing with our "staying power" or lack thereof and our role in nation-building.
Spore Ag
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You should probably start with history first. Read Fromkins book A Peace to End All Peace. Which by the time you finish the war might be over. A good one also is the biography of Gertrude Bell. She helped write the Iraqi mandate after WW1. The Brits had very similar problems as we do now.
Jim65
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SuzyQ06 -
History takes some time to form and I agree that most of the "books" out there currently are just propaganda. You might try reading blogs by folks on both sides of the issue. One guy who has served in the military in Iraq more than one tour and who stays current on events there is Austin Bay. He writes a blog and newspaper articles that are syndicated. He has several articles on Iraq and the current situation in the list at http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/author/austin_bay/. You might start there.
aalan94
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I can't say what the historians will say, but I consider myself among the most well-informed people I know on the subject, as I'm an intel officer currently serving in Iraq. Opinions here differ just like they do back home, but the general consensus, which I endorse, is that we have essentially given Al Qaeda a huge blow from which it will be difficult, if not impossible to recover.

We chased them out of the West first (Fallujah and Ramadi) and then squeezed them out of a lot of neighborhoods in Baghdad. They tried regrouping just to the north and just to the south and they got pushed out of there. Their last remaining stronghold is in Mosul and we're hitting them there.

But ultimately, what makes this important is that these victories are being sustained by an increasingly-capable Iraqi Army and Police. In the past, we'd clean out an area and they'd just flow back in like the tide. But now that they're coming back and finding new police stations, concerned local citizen checkpoints and angry civilians who want nothing to do with Al Qaeda's terrorism. It's a dynamic that has changed for the better.

Just about everybody over here agrees a premature withdrawal will lead to disasterous consequences. The Iraqis have made a ton of progress, but they're not there yet in terms of holding this for a long period. The sectarian warfare is largely over and the Baghdad news every day is filled with stories of Shi'a families welcoming their Sunni neighbors back into their neighborhoods.

But all of this is fragile and everything could go back to what it was a few months back - and probably get even worse than that - if we pulled out.

Not to mention the fact that in the long run, both Beiruit and Somalia gave comfort to our enemies and gave them what they considered were victories. This is not a meaningless exercise in win-loss ratio. The idea that the terrorists could be successful against the U.S. is the key driver in terrorist financing, and hence is the driving factor in support of our enemies.

If we outlast them and deliver into the world a stable, democratic Iraq, it will be a crushing blow to the terrorists. The Islamic fascists lost in Chechnya to the Russians, ultimately. They are losing here. They'll always be a factor in Afghanistan because that country is too rural to ever be guerilla free. But ultimately, they've lost the battle for the hearts and mind of the Iraqi people. It's dramatic when you read what the locals are saying, and what they're saying is that they want nothing of Al Qaeda, their so-called Islamic State, or some new caliphate. They just want to live in peace and raise their families.

Jihad fatigue has set in big time here, and ultimately, that's a huge development in our favor which we must exploit, not abandon.


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[This message has been edited by aalan94 (edited 2/22/2008 9:53p).]
Ol Jock 99
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I read this book in 2005 (I believe) and with the benefit of hindsight even then, it was very "interesting" (it was published in 2004).



General Franks was very clear that he was ordered to execute a minimal force war by Rumsfeld, a concept that he did not have a problem with at the time. I wonder what he'd say about that strategy now....

To be clear, I'm not blaming Franks; he was an old war horse who executed his orders to a T. He showed that blitzkrieg tactics could still overthrow a powerful enemy in record time. Most unfortunately however, the aftermath of said overthrow wasn't really a priority.


[This message has been edited by Ol Jock 99 (edited 2/23/2008 8:50a).]
ben03
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The only book I've read on the subject is 'Cobra II' by Michael Gordon and Bernard Trainor. It will give you a solid understanding and history of the initial invasion, from the run-up to the war to the beginning of the CPA. It does show where the US got off track. It does not, however, speak to the current situation, and will be of little help when discussing current Iraq policy.
depogs
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America's Secret War: Inside the Hidden Worldwide Struggle Between America and Its Enemies by George Friedman founder of Stratfor intelligence services provides an excellent background on reasons we went to war in Iraq and mistakes made it's not politically biased for the most part but it's up front and Friedman does propose our continuing presence there. Also the March Up about The First Marine Division's role during the invasion is pretty good if you want to know big pictures stuff about the invasion. Also Generation Kill which follows an recon platoon during the invasion gives you insight into life of marines during the invasion. HTH
aunuwyn08
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After Iraq
The Iraq War Causes and COnsequences
30 yard line
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Not about the topic you are looking for, but I am reading: Band of Sisters: American Women at War in Iraq.

It is a look at some of the women who are fighting on the front lines. Very good so far.
Towns03
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i just started The Right Man by David Frum. i'll let you know if it's any good...
QBCade
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thanks for the commentary Alan & thanks for your efforts in Iraq. Stay safe.

I agree with you that the biggest blow that we can give the terrorists is a successful, democratic, Iraq. If we're successful there it will prove to the people in other nations that it's possible and they don't have to put up with this extremist, terrorist BS anymore.
huisache
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aalan's blog is very useful because we know where he is coming from, literally, and those of us who have been reading his posts for a few years know we can trust him.

a couple of others I would recommend are the blogs of Michael Yon and Michael Totten. Yon has spent more time with our troops than anybody I know of and is pro american without being terribly ideological one way or another.

Totten is a pro war liberal who had never been to the middle east when he started but goes there regularly now. He fell in love with the Kurds a couple of years ago and has spent considerable stretches in Iraq and Lebanon. I trust his judgment and those of the people who he lets do guest stints. He is a computer tech by trade and a superb amateur journalist.

www.michaelyon-online.com

www.michaeltotten.com
AC Hopper
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If you like staying close to original sources, I recommend Pulitzer journalist and NY Times Iraq Bureau Chief John Burns -- factual, no ideology, but he has voiced opinions that IMO provide the most accurate assessments.
SuzyQ06
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Thanks for all the recommendations. I've been taking a look at all the websites and I've really "enjoyed" their content.

And to Aalan - thank you for your service and your observations! I hope you enjoy your time off!
Revolt189
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Read FIASCO: The American Military Adventure in Iraq, and also just from a soldier's point of view: The Last True Story I'll Ever Tell.

Read both of them in about a weeks time.
Clavell
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http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/11/16/news/terror.php?page=1
http://libertyonthemarch.blogspot.com/2007/11/book-review-inside-jihad-by-omar-nasiri.html
One I've been thinking of getting, but with all the fake autobiographys out recently like to be sure real.
Inside the Jihad by Omar Nasiri
AirborneAg04
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"The Iraq War", by John Keegan, a true master of narrative history. Brings you up to speed on the rise of the Ba'athist party, the relative secular nature of Iraq, and other elements of the political situation there, as well as the initial phases of the American occupation. It's also on the Chief of Staff's reading list.
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