French Attitudes to the Americans in WWII.

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Early this year, I was reading the Band of Brothers book by Stephen Ambrose. In one of the later chapters, Ambrose was discussing the sentiment of the soldiers towards the people of Europe, and one of the interesting thing is nearly all of the soldiers preferred the German citizens to the French.

The passage in question reads:

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The standard story of how the American G.I. reacted to the foreign people he met during the course of WWII runs like this: He felt the Arabs were despicable, liars, thieves, dirty, awful, without a redeeming feature. The Italians were liars, thieves, dirty, wonderful, with many redeeming features, but never to be trusted. The rural French were sullen, slow, and ungrateful while the Parisians were rapacious, cunning, indifferent to whether thy were cheating Germans or Americans. The British People were brave, resourceful, quaint, reserved, dull. The dutch were, as noted, regarded as simply wonderful in every way (but the average G.I. was never in Holland, only the airborne).

The story ends up thus: wonder of wonders, the average G.I. found that the people he liked best, identified mot closely with, enjoyed being with, were the Germans. Clean, hard-working, disciplined, educated, middle-class in their tastes and lifestyles , the germans seemed to many American soldiers as just like us.
The passage goes on to describe ways in which the Americans approved of the Germans, but what I'm really wondering more about is the French.

I was wondering if anyone had more information or context regarding the French attitudes to the Americans. Was this a cultural thing? Was it a shame that they were so easily conquered by the Germans, a shame that manifested itself in resentment toward their liberators?
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50s - French money grabbers- stuck it to US and gis in rentals, bars . Course they had Communists in

control. Economy BAD !

Germans were appreciative of the jobs and business we gave them. Economy GOOD !
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BigJim49 AustinNowDallas said:

50s - French money grabbers- stuck it to US and gis in rentals, bars . Course they had Communists in

control. Economy BAD !

Germans were appreciative of the jobs and business we gave them. Economy GOOD !
I don't think most people know how close France came from being a Communist country.
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My maternal grandfather was in the 42nd Inf. Division that came across France from Marseille. Absolutely hated the French. They would pass through bombed out French villages and all the locals did was beg and steal. They would not even attempt to clean their towns up. When he crossed into Germany he said it was like night and day. The fighting was hardly over and the locals would be out cleaning up. No one begged and there was very little thievery. Said he would have much rather dealt with the Germans and Austrians than the French.
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I've read similar commentary a few times that echos what your grandfather said
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You know, when you drive through Central Texas, you can tell when you hit a German community. The houses and farms all seem neat as a pin.

I didn't inherit enough of that trait.

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As I'm reading through Manchester's biography on Churchill, it seems to mention pride when describing some of the French actions/key players. Couple that with them surrendering in '40 and, as I learned, in the same spot Germany surrendered in '18.

4 years of being occupied as a proud nation, plus I wouldn't even say they were second fiddle, more like third with how Roosevelt was treating them for a post-war world nation.

Understandable to some degree on thinking it took too long and not being happy. Maybe they should have held out longer, updated their strategies to deal with tanks, etc. Nobody seemed to deal well with the blitzkrieg, Britain was just lucky there was a body of water separating them.
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this is accurate. If the english channel didn't exist, europe may very well be speaking german in 2020.
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AtlAg05 said:

As I'm reading through Manchester's biography on Churchill, it seems to mention pride when describing some of the French actions/key players. Couple that with them surrendering in '40 and, as I learned, in the same spot Germany surrendered in '18.

4 years of being occupied as a proud nation, plus I wouldn't even say they were second fiddle, more like third with how Roosevelt was treating them for a post-war world nation.

Understandable to some degree on thinking it took too long and not being happy. Maybe they should have held out longer, updated their strategies to deal with tanks, etc. Nobody seemed to deal well with the blitzkrieg, Britain was just lucky there was a body of water separating them.
There is a reason island nations are rarely invaded and occupied.
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CanyonAg77 said:

You know, when you drive through Central Texas, you can tell when you hit a German community. The houses and farms all seem neat as a pin.

I didn't inherit enough of that trait.


Me, either.
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My dad parachuted into Normandy, Holland, fought in the Bulge, fought in Germany and occupied Berlin. 505th PIR. He didn't care for the brits, tolerated the French, injured to quickly to get to know the Dutch, appreciated the Belgians and absolutely adored the Germans.
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One day a few years ago, living in metro DC, I just got an urge one spring afternoon to go down to the WW2 memorial and see if there were any veterans there I could get stories from. Talked to about 4 of them, which was awesome.
But one guy, colorful man and great to talk to...told me some stories about Hurtgen forest. But he also took the time to mention that when they took over some towns in Germany that the women there were starved for "male
Companionship", and they were more than happy to fill the need. Thinking back, he never said the same about France, have to assume he came through there...
Was cool to hear some of the less PG stories from him though.
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JJMt said:

Interesting. My dad got sent over to Germany in '49, I believe, as a freshly minted second lieutenant from Texas A&M. He has told me that many if not most of the Americans had German girlfriends. I suspect that is one way that Germany was able to keep its population up even in the face of losing millions of men in the war. My guess is that many modern Germans have lots of DNA that can be traced back to the United States or Russia.


And the basis for our US soccer team.
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Many US families of WWII GIs were of Anglo-German extraction, so it is perhaps not surprising that--anecdotally--they expressed more affinity for the Brits (language, too) and, once defeated, the Germans?
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JJMt said:

Interesting. My dad got sent over to Germany in '49, I believe, as a freshly minted second lieutenant from Texas A&M. He has told me that many if not most of the Americans had German girlfriends. I suspect that is one way that Germany was able to keep its population up even in the face of losing millions of men in the war. My guess is that many modern Germans have lots of DNA that can be traced back to the United States or Russia.


unfortunately we couldnt trace back to the US unless they had indian blood (feathers). It would just show up as other europeans. maybe statistically more british isles? definitely a major spike in ethnic slavs. Oof.
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