Spectacular sea disaster this day (Dec 28) in December 1944

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Hello,

I got this forwarded to me, and I thought you would all find it as amazing as I did. I hadn't see this footage before. Its similar to what happened to S.S. Mount Hood in November earlier that year.(But that was an accident) Look at the size of the explosion



To provide some own details beyond the tweet. This happened around 1020 off Mindoro during the operations related to its occupation. Kamikazes actually hit two ships simultaneously, both Liberty ship type transports. You notice the film is focused and captures a burning plane hit the S..S William Sharon. This is at 1021. But the film guy clearly just notices out of the corner of his eye a second kamikaze impact on S.S. John Burke at 1022 and veers the camera left just in time to catch the enormous immediate detonation. (It was an ammunition cargo!).

There were no survivors and the debris hit another freighter and injured three that was 1,000 yards away, and shook bodily the destroyer Wilson that was 6,000 yards away.

Its amazing footage. You clearly see the burning kamikaze like a missile hit William Sharon, then the the flare on the other liberty ship draws the camera in time to catch the eyeblink disaster that follows. Notice when it it pans right again the William Sharon is now burning. (It had to be abandoned).
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Never heard of this before. If it had not been titan who posted this, I would argue it was a photoshop and false caption of a nuclear test.


titan, isn't it true that the government covered up how devastating Kamikazes were, during the war? Maybe that's why this is unknown?
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SS John Burke story
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I thought it was a nuke test too
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I've come across a lot of descriptions of explosions that seem unbelievable in my reading but to see a video like this just amazes me and is the only way to really understand how powerful and horrific it could be.

I read through some timelines and there were a lot of kamikaze attacks in the Mindoro area around that time.
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Thinking non it, I wonder how similar that explosion was to the Texas City explosion.
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I'm reading a book right now about PT boats and just got to a part about Mindoro. Even PT boats were targets for kamikazes. On one day, December 15, 8 PT boats were attacked. Most were near misses but one was hit.
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ABATTBQ87 said:

SS John Burke story
That was a good link and story about it, thanks. It even told me something I didn't know. Which ship made the film (Destroyer USS Bush) and even the man's name. Very good to know.

A few more details -- a third kamikaze hit LST-750. It is also afire in this time frame. The blast of the Burke's destruction damaged the PT boat PT 332 and the support ship Porcupine as well as the freighter mentioned earlier with 3 injured. It don't know what the linked page means by this statement though:

"A US Army transport just aft of John Burke was severely damaged by the blast and sank before it could be identified"

It MAY mean a landing transport, not too big, and would possibly explain how they would not know what it was if didn't catch the number. Unless it was the wrecked LST-750 which another Japanese plane than sank the hulk with a torpedo hit.

There was no respite for the convoy -- attacks continued the next few days, and the auxiliary Porcupine already damaged by the blast was finished off.

Trivia note: USS Bush herself would be sunk by a kamikaze smash off Okinawa the next year.
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CanyonAg77 said:

Never heard of this before. If it had not been titan who posted this, I would argue it was a photoshop and false caption of a nuclear test.


titan, isn't it true that the government covered up how devastating Kamikazes were, during the war? Maybe that's why this is unknown?
Canyon,

Yes, you are basically right. They didn't cover up the existence of them, but they very much downplayed how effective and frightening they were. The losses off Okinawa during the mass kamikazes strikes then were particularly intimidating. Nimitz issued a special memorandum of exactly the way kamikazes were to be talked about to any press, and what not to say, and what was okay. A major motive was to preserve morale against the fact that there were few defenses other than stopping it before it hit for what amounted to guided missiles before their time. Another motive was to conceal from the Japanese just how effective the new method was.

The reason it is unknown is the invasion of Mindoro itself is generally ignored --- it came between the capture of Leyte after the big battles of October and November and the big landing on Luzon -- where Manila is, in January 1945. That battle would become such a fight it completely eclipsed the stepping stone invasion of Mindoro that set it up and was to serve as a staging area and airfield.

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There's a movie rumored to be in the works called "Destroyer" by Mel Gibson based on USS Laffey. A picket screen destroyer that took something like 6 kamikaze hits and stayed afloat.
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JABQ04 said:

There's a movie rumored to be in the works called "Destroyer" by Mel Gibson based on USS Laffey. A picket screen destroyer that took something like 6 kamikaze hits and stayed afloat.


It's an excellent story. The book by the CO (whose name escapes me at the moment) is "The Ship That Wouldn't Die", and is very good. Highly recommend. You can also see the Laffey at Patriot Point next to the Yorktown in Charlestown.
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"A US Army transport just aft of John Burke was severely damaged by the blast and sank before it could be identified"

It MAY mean a landing transport, not too big, and would possibly explain how they would not know what it was if didn't catch the number. Unless it was the wrecked LST-750 which another Japanese plane than sank the hulk with a torpedo hit.
titan, my book refers to the ship immediately astern of the John Burke as a small Army freighter. He said the LST 750 continued on with the convoy.

On January 4 a ship carrying bombs, the Lewis L.Dyche, was hit by a kamikaze and disintegrated.
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YZ250 said:

Quote:

"A US Army transport just aft of John Burke was severely damaged by the blast and sank before it could be identified"

It MAY mean a landing transport, not too big, and would possibly explain how they would not know what it was if didn't catch the number. Unless it was the wrecked LST-750 which another Japanese plane than sank the hulk with a torpedo hit.
titan, my book refers to the ship immediately astern of the John Burke as a small Army freighter. He said the LST 750 continued on with the convoy.

On January 4 a ship carrying bombs, the Lewis L.Dyche, was hit by a kamikaze and disintegrated.
YZ250,

Well then it should be accepted as is, till learn otherwise. At least can now see where the mention comes from. There must have been such a craft. As for LST-750 that does fit better because the LST initially survived longer and was then hit again by aerial torpedo and crew removed by destroyer Edwards.

The Lewis L. Dyche is in fact sunk in the same attack on the 4th that sinks escort carrier Ommaney Bay, resulting in a huge bonfire that has to be scuttled, and once again an ammo ship disaster is over-shadowed.
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titan said:

CanyonAg77 said:

Never heard of this before. If it had not been titan who posted this, I would argue it was a photoshop and false caption of a nuclear test.


titan, isn't it true that the government covered up how devastating Kamikazes were, during the war? Maybe that's why this is unknown?
Canyon,

Yes, you are basically right. They didn't cover up the existence of them, but they very much downplayed how effective and frightening they were. The losses off Okinawa during the mass kamikazes strikes then were particularly intimidating. Nimitz issued a special memorandum of exactly the way kamikazes were to be talked about to any press, and what not to say, and what was okay. A major motive was to preserve morale against the fact that there were few defenses other than stopping it before it hit for what amounted to guided missiles before their time. Another motive was to conceal from the Japanese just how effective the new method was.

The reason it is unknown is the invasion of Mindoro itself is generally ignored --- it came between the capture of Leyte after the big battles of October and November and the big landing on Luzon -- where Manila is, in January 1945. That battle would become such a fight it completely eclipsed the stepping stone invasion of Mindoro that set it up and was to serve as a staging area and airfield.


Incredible footage!

One thing to share, Essex did work up a anti-aircraft plan to defend task groups from kamikaze's, and while not perfect, it was quite effective, and adopted by several TF 58/38 task groups.

See p. 16 and following here: September 1945 CIC Magazine
See p. 18 and following here: November 1945 CIC Magazine
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ABATTBQ87 said:

SS John Burke story


Amazing - 33 days to build a 10-ton ship

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The ship's keel was laid on 20 November 1942 and only 33 days later, on December 13, the hull was launched. After fitting out over the next ten days, John Burke was handed over to the US Navy on 23 December, such was the speed with which Liberty Ships were built during World War II. John Burke was approximately 422 feet long and 57 feet wide, had a top speed of 11 knots
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Username fits.
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texrover91 said:

ABATTBQ87 said:

SS John Burke story


Amazing - 33 days to build a 10-ton ship

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The ship's keel was laid on 20 November 1942 and only 33 days later, on December 13, the hull was launched. After fitting out over the next ten days, John Burke was handed over to the US Navy on 23 December, such was the speed with which Liberty Ships were built during World War II. John Burke was approximately 422 feet long and 57 feet wide, had a top speed of 11 knots



And less than 3 seconds to disintegrate it.
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CanyonAg77 said:

Username fits.


Nice catch!


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