Historical Question - Slave Patrols and the Police

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HollywoodBQ
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I'm not looking for the political he said, she said type argument but, I've heard this line so many times that I would just like to know if there is any historical legitimacy at all to this rhetoric that the roots of the Police in the USA was Slave Patrols to catch escaped slaves.

So I guess there are two parts:
1 - What was the origin of Police in the USA? I'm sure New Amsterdam must have had police
2 - I assume Slave Patrols only existed in the South. When did they start, When did they end?

I know, kind of a dumb series of questions but I figure the TexAgs History Board can crush the talking points in a few seconds. Thanks in advance.
EMY92
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There were sheriffs and other constabulary in the countries from which the emigrants came. Why would they not establish the same in the US?
KingofHazor
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A quick google search seems to answer your question.

But I like to throw the issue back to the person making the outlandish claims. Ask them what evidence from original sources supports their claim and if there is any other evidence contradicting their claim. Let them know that if they have substantial, uncontradicted evidence that you'll consider their claim. Otherwise, their claims should receive no more of your attention than a claim that Lincoln was a space alien.

It seems that in this era we've reached peak insanity where people of reason are constantly being forced on the defensive.
BQ78
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I think Ghost was asking what is wrong with CRT or what is the problem with it. This is a prime example of CRT gaslighting.

I recommend the book Twelve Years a Slave for a first person account of how this worked. It was more local posses that went after escaped slaves and as EMY92 pointed out sheriffs would get involved. Police forces were for big cities like New Orleans and Richmond and they had almost nothing to do with slave catching.

Solomon Northrop who wrote the book I mentioned, was an accomplished fiddle player and was in great demand at all the local plantations. His master would write him a pass allowing him to move alone to his destinations. Any white man could stop him and inquire what he was doing and demand to see the pass. After a while everyone knew him and what he was doing and left him alone.
Sapper Redux
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HollywoodBQ said:

I'm not looking for the political he said, she said type argument but, I've heard this line so many times that I would just like to know if there is any historical legitimacy at all to this rhetoric that the roots of the Police in the USA was Slave Patrols to catch escaped slaves.

So I guess there are two parts:
1 - What was the origin of Police in the USA? I'm sure New Amsterdam must have had police
2 - I assume Slave Patrols only existed in the South. When did they start, When did they end?

I know, kind of a dumb series of questions but I figure the TexAgs History Board can crush the talking points in a few seconds. Thanks in advance.


1. Modern policing is a 19th century invention imported from Britain, and not a very good import until reforms began in the early 20th century. Before that, you have sheriffs and constables that were responsible for arresting and holding suspects.

2. I've written about slave patrols (before it was cool) before the Revolution, so I'm less familiar with 19th century patrols. There is a book entitled "Slave Patrols" that's extremely dry and legalistic, but goes into the details of the 19th century patrols. I wouldn't say they were completely analogous to the modern institution of policing, but they served a vital policing function. They were drawn from militias and, as such, were a major reason for Southern states demanding local control of militias and protections for militias in the Constitution. I know there are people here who don't want to address it, but Southerners were TERRIFIED of slave revolts. Terrified. Enough so that they allowed lower class whites the ability to search slave quarters and hold and punish their property if slaves were out without valid passes. The extent of that privilege became very contested over the years, but the principle remained.

Slave Patrols were an idea imported from Barbados. The importance of Barbados gets overlooked in US history, but SC was essentially founded as a colony of Barbados and Virginia's planters learned how to manage slavery from corresponding with Barbadian planters.

SC instituted the first Slave Patrol in what became the US in 1701. It allowed constables the ability to draft men to serve as slave patrollers. In 1704, they modified this act to link slave patrols with the militia. The "Generall" of the militia appointed captains in each town and province to organize and oversee slave patrols. In much of the SC backcountry, this would have been the closest thing to organized policing that many people would have had direct contact with.

Patrollers had to maintain "a good horse, a case of pistols and a carbine, or other gunn, a sword, a cartouch box… under the penalty of tenn shillings for want of any one or more things as aforesaid." As a result, most patrollers, initially, were well-to-do. This changed over time as supplies were stockpiled and provided to patrollers.

In 1721, SC amended their laws again so that every member of an infantry or cavalry militia company was required to spend time as a patroller. This was to prevent complaints that rich men served as patrollers to avoid getting sent off on some border conflict.

A 1734 law paid the patrollers, allowed them to keep any contraband weapons they found, and provided patrollers the authority to "enter into any disorderly house, either of white persons or free negroes, where any negroes or other slaves may be suspected to be tipling and drinking."

A 1737 law ended the payments and required patrollers to pay a certain amount of taxes to be eligible. But they were still allowed to visit every plantation without notifying the planter.

Places like Virginia, with a smaller slave population per capita, and a large number of indentured servants, relied more on constables and tipsters for longer. Virginia finally established a slave patrol system in 1727. Virginia's patrols were only required to patrol during Christmas, Easter, and the Whitsuntide holidays. Under this law, Virginia's patrols never separated from the militia at-large and could even claim the standard pay given to serving militiamen. They were also not allowed to punish slaves, which SC's patrollers could do. The constables handled all punishment.

This changed over time, and Virginia also firmly linked slave patrols to militia service and granted patrollers the right to enter slave quarters without the permission of the planter.

So, there are definitely policing aspects of slave patrols in the American South and they lasted until the end of slavery itself. Slave Patrols would have been the most common interaction with policing that many Southern whites would have had, and the closest to actual policing that many would have done. I wouldn't claim policing was invented in slave patrols, but it absolutely had an impact on how Southerners viewed the role of policing. It clearly impacted the organization and behavior of many of the Reconstruction Era groups like the Klan and the "Rifle Clubs."
RGV AG
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Very interesting, thanks for that post.
KingofHazor
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I wouldn't claim policing was invented in slave patrols, but it absolutely had an impact on how Southerners viewed the role of policing.
Any source documents for that or is it simply a logical conclusion that you are drawing? How long a gap was there between the end of the slave patrols and the first police forces in the south? Where were the first police forces instituted in the south? In the big cities, like they had been in the north? Were editorials being written at the beginning of the use of police forces that they should be used to control the blacks in the south? If so, how common were such editorials?
Ghost of Andrew Eaton
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How did the county sheriff system interact with the slave patrols? What impact did this have on the South after the civil war?
Sapper Redux
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Jabin said:

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I wouldn't claim policing was invented in slave patrols, but it absolutely had an impact on how Southerners viewed the role of policing.
Any source documents for that or is it simply a logical conclusion that you are drawing? How long a gap was there between the end of the slave patrols and the first police forces in the south? Where were the first police forces instituted in the south? In the big cities, like they had been in the north? Were editorials being written at the beginning of the use of police forces that they should be used to control the blacks in the south? If so, how common were such editorials?
How are you defining police? There were sheriffs and constables for the entire history who worked closely with slave patrols. They could call out militia members to enforce the law. There were urban forces called "police." Policing and modern police are not exclusively linked. Policing itself had a longer history.

If you're asking about cities, we can take New Orleans as an example. The French instituted a police force in the late 18th century. One of the key roles of this police force was policing racial boundaries and slaves. Was this a modern police force as we understand it? Not really. More like a constabulary force, as most cities were until the late 19th - early 20th century. Was it a slave patrol? Not as defined by laws affecting the agricultural districts. Did it have slave catching and slave patrolling responsibilities? Yes. Control of the Black population was a crucial role. After the Civil War, New Orleans had a significantly integrated police force during Reconstruction, but the end of Reconstruction meant the city government deliberately returned the police force to its pre-war status quo with a couple of Black officers for Black neighborhoods. As the article notes, enforcement of the boundaries of white vs Black was an important aspect of policing after Reconstruction during the "Redemption."

Were there cities with slave patrols? Yes. Raleigh, Danville, and a few other Southern cities had specific in-city slave patrols that formed the backbone of a developing police force. This is covered in the Book I mentioned earlier by Sally Hadden. I'm afraid I don't have it on hand to provide primary sources.

Going into the countryside, sheriffs and constables maintained the use of militias after the Civil War to break strikes or work stoppages by freed slaves. The end of slavery meant a rise in lynchings as a form of control. The lynch mob was typically structured and led by prominent local citizens who had officer roles in the militias.

It's also important to note that the rank structure and organization of the terrorist groups during Reconstruction mimicked militias and their tactics and small group attacks mimicked the role, structures, and punishments of slave patrols.

Again, as I have repeatedly noted, I would not say slave patrols defined policing or created policing. But the policing of racial boundaries and the civic structures of the slave patrols were important in how race was policed after the Civil War and the relationships between local law enforcement and the public.
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Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

How did the county sheriff system interact with the slave patrols? What impact did this have on the South after the civil war?
It varies. Sheriffs in some areas, particularly less populated areas, may be in charge of the patrols and organize them. In wealthier districts, sheriffs or constables may raise a posse for the capture of a specific escaped slave or specific crime, but the nightly slave patrols would be drawn from the militia structure.

After the Civil War is a bit of a hodge podge. Various militia companies would be established, often along racial lines, and the presence or absence of federal troops often determined who held control over local law enforcement. In areas where the status quo antebellum was stronger, the sheriff often had the ability to raise patrols or posses that could enforce the racial hierarchy. In more contested areas, the level of violence rose and groups like the Klan were more commonly active. In these areas you'd find more organized militias that oversaw law enforcement,
BQ78
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Most southern cities of significant size had a police force long before slavery ended.
KingofHazor
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I suppose what I'm reacting to is the implied attempt by whomever Hollywood was talking to to discredit modern police forces because of their alleged historical ties to slave patrols. Backing up to 60,000 feet, it really shouldn't make much difference either way for at least the following reasons:

1. Modern police forces have lots of issues. Racism may be one of them, but I suspect what may look like racism is in reality simply a symptom of the many other issues that the police forces suffer from. (imho, the issues that modern police suffer include: 1) lazy police work - it's easier to try to frame a suspect than actually investigate, 2) different treatment of suspects based on the suspects' perceived power and financial status - which can look a lot like racism but isn't necessarily, 3) ignoring their own legal duties and responsibilities, and 4) almost certainly a bunch of other issues.)

2. Whether or not police forces derived from slave patrols or not, there is no question that racism was horrible in the South when southern police forces were created. In that context, Southern police forces reflected the racism of the society in which they were first created and grew into maturity. Stating that their roots were in the slave patrols adds nothing to the analysis or conclusion but is used for its shock value.
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Am I the only poster on this thread aware that Sapper Redux and Ghost of Andrew Eaton are one and the same poster, AND Sapper Redux replied to (himself) Ghost of Andrew Eaton above? Is it no longer against "the rules" to have more than one handle?

I have it on good authority that Sapper Redux is a reincarnation of the banned poster Sapper Ag.
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BoerneGator said:

Am I the only poster on this thread aware that Sapper Redux and Ghost of Andrew Eaton are one and the same poster, AND Sapper Redux replied to (himself) Ghost of Andrew Eaton above? Is it no longer against "the rules" to have more than one handle?

I have it on good authority that Sapper Redux is a reincarnation of the banned poster Sapper Ag.
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BoerneGator said:

Am I the only poster on this thread aware that Sapper Redux and Ghost of Andrew Eaton are one and the same poster, AND Sapper Redux replied to (himself) Ghost of Andrew Eaton above? Is it no longer against "the rules" to have more than one handle?

I have it on good authority that Sapper Redux is a reincarnation of the banned poster Sapper Ag.


Never use your own product. We are NOT the same person.
Sapper Redux
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BoerneGator said:

Am I the only poster on this thread aware that Sapper Redux and Ghost of Andrew Eaton are one and the same poster, AND Sapper Redux replied to (himself) Ghost of Andrew Eaton above? Is it no longer against "the rules" to have more than one handle?

I have it on good authority that Sapper Redux is a reincarnation of the banned poster Sapper Ag.
What the hell are you talking about? And my handle is Sapper Redux. Great detective work, there. Ya got me.
Ghost of Andrew Eaton
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BQ78 said:

I think Ghost was asking what is wrong with CRT or what is the problem with it. This is a prime example of CRT gaslighting.

I recommend the book Twelve Years a Slave for a first person account of how this worked. It was more local posses that went after escaped slaves and as EMY92 pointed out sheriffs would get involved. Police forces were for big cities like New Orleans and Richmond and they had almost nothing to do with slave catching.

Solomon Northrop who wrote the book I mentioned, was an accomplished fiddle player and was in great demand at all the local plantations. His master would write him a pass allowing him to move alone to his destinations. Any white man could stop him and inquire what he was doing and demand to see the pass. After a while everyone knew him and what he was doing and left him alone.


I don't believe I ever asked what is wrong with CRT or what the problem is with it. I've clearly stated that I don't think I teach CRT but the definition of CRT usually depends on the person you are talking to.
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