My daughter visited the Holocaust museum in Dallas and said there was an exhibit that accused SF Austin and the old 300 of having committed genocide. Has anyone heard this before?
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SF Austin and the old 300 committed genocide?
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I had not heard this before, but this may be what she was referencing:
"Throughout its permanent and special exhibitions, the museum presents a bleak, well-documented history of genocide and human rights atrocities. They pull no punches. In fact, many Texans are dismayed to learn that Stephen F. Austin promoted an unfounded rumor about cannibalism to further dehumanize the Karankawa, which led to sweeping massacres and the eventual annihilation of the native tribe along the southern Texas coast."
https://www.dallasdoinggood.com/doing-good/standing-up-speaking-out-creating-a-hopeful-experience-at-the-dallas-holocaust-and-human-rights-museum
"Throughout its permanent and special exhibitions, the museum presents a bleak, well-documented history of genocide and human rights atrocities. They pull no punches. In fact, many Texans are dismayed to learn that Stephen F. Austin promoted an unfounded rumor about cannibalism to further dehumanize the Karankawa, which led to sweeping massacres and the eventual annihilation of the native tribe along the southern Texas coast."
https://www.dallasdoinggood.com/doing-good/standing-up-speaking-out-creating-a-hopeful-experience-at-the-dallas-holocaust-and-human-rights-museum
Is there a date or named event of the alleged massacre?
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Interesting
I was taught in 1960's Texas History that the Karankawa were a rather primitive tribe that lived along the coast and Laguna Madre and possibly cannibals...to protect against mosquitos they slathered their bodies with alligator grease, which stunk so bad that the settlers could smell them coming.
This teaching was in Corpus Christi, which has two main streets named Carancahua and Tancahua.
I wonder what they teach now?
This teaching was in Corpus Christi, which has two main streets named Carancahua and Tancahua.
I wonder what they teach now?
Rongagin71 said:
I was taught in 1960's Texas History that the Karankawa were a rather primitive tribe that lived along the coast and Laguna Madre and possibly cannibals...to protect against mosquitos they slathered their bodies with alligator grease, which stunk so bad that the settlers could smell them coming.
This teaching was in Corpus Christi, which has two main streets named Carancahua and Tancahua.
I wonder what they teach now?
Quote:
TEKS 7.2
The student understands how individuals, events, and issues through the Mexican National Era shaped the history of Texas.
compare the cultures of American Indians in Texas prior to European colonization such as Gulf, Plains, Puebloan, and Southeastern;
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That sounds boring...are modern students really expected to care much about a plethora of ancient civilizations?
Just getting them to take an interest in the general framework of history seems like it should be the first goal.
Just getting them to take an interest in the general framework of history seems like it should be the first goal.
I hear ya but that's the TEKS set goth by the state. The focus now is to "do" social studies by comparing/contrasting, analyzing sources, and so on.
If you say you hate the state of politics in this nation and you don't get involved in it, you obviously don't hate the state of politics in this nation.
If you say they set gothic goals, I'll believe you.Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:
I hear ya but that's the TEKS set goth by the state. The focus now is to "do" social studies by comparing/contrasting, analyzing sources, and so on.
Rongagin71 said:
That sounds boring...are modern students really expected to care much about a plethora of ancient civilizations?
Just getting them to take an interest in the general framework of history seems like it should be the first goal.
That's obviously a subjective opinion, but I too find broad overviews boring and prefer to get more in depth in the subject matter, which does not seem to be done often with pre-Colombian Texan tribes.
Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:
Is there a date or named event of the alleged massacre?
I have not seen the exhibit myself and am just googling, but appears to center around Austin and the Karankawas specifically. Skull Creek and Dressing Point Massacres pop when looking into SFA's dealings with the Karankawas. It also states he encouraged other tribes to kill them with promises of gifts.
Apparently the Karankawa Kadla still exist as described at the end of this history by TSHA.
https://www.tshaonline.org/handbook/entries/karankawa-indians
https://www.tshaonline.org/handbook/entries/karankawa-indians
Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:Rongagin71 said:
I was taught in 1960's Texas History that the Karankawa were a rather primitive tribe that lived along the coast and Laguna Madre and possibly cannibals...to protect against mosquitos they slathered their bodies with alligator grease, which stunk so bad that the settlers could smell them coming.
This teaching was in Corpus Christi, which has two main streets named Carancahua and Tancahua.
I wonder what they teach now?Quote:
TEKS 7.2
The student understands how individuals, events, and issues through the Mexican National Era shaped the history of Texas.
compare the cultures of American Indians in Texas prior to European colonization such as Gulf, Plains, Puebloan, and Southeastern;
I taught Texas History for 10 years and then US in 8th grade for 22 more years...at least in Texas History you can use that TEK to compare the various tribes in Texas and go into some depth on them. However....I challenge you to find a TEK in 8th grade that mentions Native Americans prior to Reconstruction other than the removal of the Cherokee. There is no Pre-Colombian Era taught anymore....they just want our history to begin with reasons for exploration and colonization. Native Americans are hardly mentioned anywhere, not even the Spanish conquering the Aztecs, Inca, etc.They have been pretty much "written out" so to speak. (Geography as well by the way.....95% of my 8th Graders couldn't point to our county on a Texas map).....I broke the rules..i taught a geography unit first, then taught major Native Cultures using geography to show how it affected their dwellings, nomadic movements, etc.....our STAAR scores were always high so I kind of fortunate I had "carte Blanche" when it came to teaching.
Here is a great link that I've used often when studying Native American conflicts in Texas. It seems "most" (not all) against the Karankawa were punitive for acts committed against the colonists.
https://library.uta.edu/borderland/tribe/karankawa
https://library.uta.edu/borderland/tribe/karankawa
We focus on geography throughout the year using maps yo take notes and such but we say nothing about American Indians. It's unfortunate.
I personally think we try to teach too much stuff in 8th grade but everyone has ideas on "what must be taught".
I personally think we try to teach too much stuff in 8th grade but everyone has ideas on "what must be taught".
If you say you hate the state of politics in this nation and you don't get involved in it, you obviously don't hate the state of politics in this nation.
Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:
We focus on geography throughout the year using maps yo take notes and such but we say nothing about American Indians. It's unfortunate.
I personally think we try to teach too much stuff in 8th grade but everyone has ideas on "what must be taught".
I certainly agree with the "too much" opinion. The main issue sometimes is that there is so much to cover that it leaves little time for greater depth.
Why is there a Holocaust museum in Dallas?
SidsBurnerAccount said:
Why is there a Holocaust museum in Dallas?
Bring the awfulness of the Holocaust to everyone. They're all over.
If you say you hate the state of politics in this nation and you don't get involved in it, you obviously don't hate the state of politics in this nation.
SidsBurnerAccount said:
Why is there a Holocaust museum in Dallas?
Quote:
Founded in 1984 by a group of Dallas area Holocaust Survivors
SidsBurnerAccount said:
Why is there a Holocaust museum in Dallas?
Seems like the kind of thing we need more people to grasp.
Apparently, the world cannot have too many holocaust museums.SidsBurnerAccount said:
Why is there a Holocaust museum in Dallas?
Why are they taking a swipe at Austin for wanting to defend his colony?
Austin wasn't rich, he lived in a vulnerable shack on Cottonmouth Creek near Onion Creek near what is now McKinney Falls State Park but was then owned by Austin's friend and rich guy, McKinney.
Apparently, the settlers won a few surprise attacks without heavy losses so those "battles" have now become "massacres" in some telling. Certainly the settlers wanted the Karankawa gone, but it seems disingenuous to lump this in with a modern socialist government rounding up and gassing millions of innocent people.
It is the Dallas Holocaust AND Human Rights Museum. So it is not necessarily saying the two events are equal in nature, just another example of human rights abuse and tragedy.
How does this bunch in Dallas decide what to display?
I suspect there is a large political component.
Do they, for instance, show the Tankawa "massacred" by the Comanche?
I suspect there is a large political component.
Do they, for instance, show the Tankawa "massacred" by the Comanche?
I cannot answer that, but if they did talk about that would you then be okay with their exhibit about Austin? Or would you still be upset when they display him in a negative light? Austin was not perfect, as no one is and this wouldn't be the only negative thing that can be said about him.
Well, I tried to get an answer or two but could find no reference to Stephen F Austin at the museum.
It appears to be a well-run museum, only a few yrs old.
Sometimes a particular person will post things that aren't well researched or thought out...an example occurred at the McKinney Falls State Park that I referenced earlier...someone posted on the park grounds that the long stone wall there had been built by black slaves...an old lady that still remembered how things actually were, contacted the park and told them the fence had been built by Mexican shepherds and that the only black slaves were a family that lived in the McKinney's 3-story mansion.
It appears to be a well-run museum, only a few yrs old.
Sometimes a particular person will post things that aren't well researched or thought out...an example occurred at the McKinney Falls State Park that I referenced earlier...someone posted on the park grounds that the long stone wall there had been built by black slaves...an old lady that still remembered how things actually were, contacted the park and told them the fence had been built by Mexican shepherds and that the only black slaves were a family that lived in the McKinney's 3-story mansion.
I remember going to the Holocaust Museum in Dallas almost 30 years ago.
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It probably didn't look like this.
pmart said:
It probably didn't look like this.
Probably not but I have no recollection. The only thing I remember was that it had a train car in it for us to get into.
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This discussion caused an old memory to waft up - there used to be a bronze statue of Stephen F Austin in South Austin near Congress and Oltorf that disappeared - the city replaced it and the replacement very quickly disappeared.
I tried to Google this but got nothing, maybe too far back, but did get lots (and I do mean LOTS) of matches on disappeared bronze statues from all over the country. Seems like something the FBI should be investigating because this is still going on - wonder if Sully is in danger?
I tried to Google this but got nothing, maybe too far back, but did get lots (and I do mean LOTS) of matches on disappeared bronze statues from all over the country. Seems like something the FBI should be investigating because this is still going on - wonder if Sully is in danger?
I learned Texas History in the early 90s and we were taught all the major Indian tribes of Texas, their way of life, and how they interacted/battled/influenced/still exist. I remember doing a report on the specific Indians that lived around Waco.
The Native American "Indigenous Tribes" of NA and SA are taught in World History. We teach pre-Colombian tribes all the way through current events.
https://tea.texas.gov/sites/default/files/staaralt-framwk2011-whistory.pdf
(Use the search feature and type in "Indians")
The Native American "Indigenous Tribes" of NA and SA are taught in World History. We teach pre-Colombian tribes all the way through current events.
https://tea.texas.gov/sites/default/files/staaralt-framwk2011-whistory.pdf
(Use the search feature and type in "Indians")
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