Benedict Arnold

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Based Hiker
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We were watching the latest episode of Outlander this weekend, when the topic of Benedict Arnold came up. Perhaps I have entertained a few too many conspiracy theories over time, but this idea just came to me as I watched the show.

I have never been much of a Revolution buff, but do know that the name Benedict Arnold is associated with treasonous acts. I did not know that he was appointed by Washington who thought so highly of him to lead West Point, but later would fight for the British against his own Country.

Has it ever been considered that he and Washington may have plotted together in a covert secret mission to aide the American victory? I know that the idea is far-fetched and outrageous, but I was just wondering before I went down a potential rabbit hole here.
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CanyonLakeAgbu said:

We were watching the latest episode of Outlander this weekend, when the topic of Benedict Arnold came up. Perhaps I have entertained a few too many conspiracy theories over time, but this idea just came to me as I watched the show.

I have never been much of a Revolution buff, but do know that the name Benedict Arnold is associated with treasonous acts. I did not know that he was appointed by Washington who thought so highly of him to lead West Point, but later would fight for the British against his own Country.

Has it ever been considered that he and Washington may have plotted together in a covert secret mission to aide the American victory? I know that the idea is far-fetched and outrageous, but I was just wondering before I went down a potential rabbit hole here.

Benedict Arnold was actually an American hero of the war.

however, he felt slighted by not getting a further promotion and he liked the ladies and went for a British hottie.

he also liked money and went for the British pounds.

considering he fled the country and never returned, I would highly doubt that it was a grand plan.

if this was some great 5D stable genius move (which doesn't even make sense on the face since it was dispiriting to the American public and led to no strategic gains)

then Washington would have admitted it over the next 20 years.
Rabid Cougar
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AG
No. His feelings were hurt and he got greedy. His downfall was due to the usual suspects: vanity and money. No conspiracy necessary.

The series "Turn" had a very good depiction of the events that lead up to his "departure".

Oh and Jamie Fraser led the captured of Saratoga...
BQ78
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Not to mention his greedy wife who helped push him into it and fanned the flames of his hurt ego.
MGS
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We still have a monument for him a Saratoga, but don't mention his name.

https://www.nps.gov/places/boot-monument.htm
Based Hiker
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I freely admit that it would be some 5D chess if that was the case. It just came to me that I didn't know enough about the subject and it seemed like an awesome plot twist.
Based Hiker
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I wondered about the "Turn" series and Washington's spies is what made me curious about the possibility. I never did watch the series, I think that I will go back and watch that now.
Omperlodge
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In 1780, the war seemed to be turning in the favor of the British. France had joined but nothing seemed to be working. His management of Philadelphia was a disaster. He didn't get the credit he felt he deserved. It was a calculated risk. Get paid by the British and in theory, be on the winning side. It didn't turn out that way for him.
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There's an alternate universe where Benedict Arnold is the hero who helped the defeat those Sons of Liberty terrorists and keep the colonies in the empire, and George Washington is remembered as the traitorous scoundrel.
Sapper Redux
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The more likely alternate universe is one where Arnold dies during the Saratoga Campaign and is revered as a great American tactician and general.
Pignorant
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The irony is some of the British never respected him as he was a turncoat.
aggiejim70
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Interesting that he was an ancestor of Hap Arnold of WWII fame.
The person that is not willing to fight and die, if need be, for his country has no right to life.

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Iowaggie
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aggiejim70 said:

Interesting that he was an ancestor of Hap Arnold of WWII fame.

And the namesake for a tasty breakfast.
BQ78
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Actually no it is named after the lady who introduced them.
Sapper Redux
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Who names their daughter "Eggs"?
BQ78
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Someone who would name their daughter Marijuana Pepsi?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marijuana_Pepsi_Vandyck
Sapper Redux
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The worst part of that name is Pepsi. Seriously. No one likes Pepsi.
BQ78
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Yeah, with a nod to F16, Marijuana Grape Soda might have been a better name.
McInnis
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When Arnold's plans to surrender West Point to the British were discovered he left in a hurry, leaving his wife Peggy behind.

From all I've read about Washington's reaction he was furious and really, really wanted Arnold captured. He could have held Mrs. Arnold in custody and offered Arnold a chance to surrender himself for her release. But from what I know, Washington never even considered it, releasing her to the British.

Good old George, always the consummate gentleman.
Sapper Redux
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To be fair, it's highly likely that a British officer in the same situation (but with Arnold's treachery reversed) would have done the same thing. One of the justifications for selling commissions in the British military was the idea that gentlemen officers would behave in a more civilized manner, thus avoiding the barbarism of the mercenary armies that preceded the 18th century. The civility, however, was largely class-centric. Washington may have taken care regardless of Peggy's social status, but in general, the wives or relatives of enlisted soldiers would not have been granted the same protections.
CanyonAg77
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Didn't someone send a British officer's dog back to him?

Who ranked higher at the time, wives or dogs?
DatTallArchitect
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Sapper Redux said:

The worst part of that name is Pepsi. Seriously. No one likes Pepsi.
Pepsi is my cola of choice. It's not as syrupy as coke
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