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Polly Bartlett killed 22 at the family Inn in Wyoming using arsenic.
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In the height of the gold rush, South Pass City, Wyoming, and the surrounding mining camps were wild and dangerous.
It was not uncommon to learn that someone had died unexpectantly from everything from a bad play at a poker game to an Indian attack.
When men went missing, it was so commonplace that it took some time before it was discovered that the cause for 22 missing men was one young woman with a supply of arsenic.
James L. Sherlock had grown up in the mining town of South Pass and heard the story of the murders from his uncle and others who witnessed the wild times for themselves.
His family met many characters of South Pass, including Old Jim Bartlett, the father of Polly Bartlett, who would later become known as the "Deadly Damsel" and the "Murderess of Slaughterhouse Gulch."
Sherlock shared the story of this young serial killer in his book "South Pass and Its Tales," and claimed quite adamantly that every word is true.
Knowing the nature of just how wild that town was, the 22 murders could very well have happened just as Sherlock claims.
They also make her the worst serial killer in Wyoming state and territorial history.


Spoiler alert: she didn't get away with it.
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I learned this historical fact this morning while reading the following book: Rebels at Sea: Privateering in the American Revolution by Eric Jay Dolin

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The Dutch island St. Eustatius (today Sint Eustatius) was a particular problem, as the British saw it. On November 16, 1776, when the Continental naval brig Andrew Doria sailed into the island's port, flying American clolors, its cannons roared in a ritual salute, to which the guns of Fort Orange responded in kind. With that act of welcome, the Dutch became the first forge in power to recongize the US
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When Denmark was feared. Very impressive find.

https://www.popsci.com/science/largest-viking-shipwreck/
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The site of the 101st Headquarters in England during WWII.

I visited here in June 2024 during my 42 day WWII European trip

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ABATTBQ87 said:

The site of the 101st Headquarters in England during WWII.

I visited here in June 2024 during my 42 day WWII European trip



I went there when I was working in Swindon back in 2002 or so.
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Did you enjoy driving around the magic roundabouts?
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ABATTBQ87 said:

Did you enjoy driving around the magic roundabouts?

I didn't have a car. But my British coworker who I always took for lunch for street food in Mexico before he had to fly back to UK took me through them in his Hot Hatch very fast.

There was a great train museum in Swindon by the way.
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love roundabouts.... so much in fact that I drove my 2 cyl fiat that would max out at about 50 mph from Brussells to Paris just so I could do the roundabout around the Arc de Triomphe (I took the train all the other times, once was enough lol). I always enjoyed forcing my way in with my $500 car. It would cost most others more than than that in just repairs if we rubbed a little ...

good times...
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Ok this is history I didn't know about until today:

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Legend has it's the only time in usps history that a piece of mail was never lost
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He didn't have much to say at his trial. Formosus link.
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I didn't know this until today:

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This is pretty interesting history:



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I didn't know this until today:


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The origin of the word/term "Quisling":
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Quisling saw his moment. Rather than rally resistance or seek power to defend his nation, he chose silence in the face of Norway's sovereignty and betrayal over courage. On the day of the invasion, he staged a coup, proclaiming himself leader via radio and urging Norwegians to accept German occupation as inevitable. He believed this was pragmatism, a way to avoid bloodshed and secure a place in the new order. In truth, it was cowardicethe avoidance of the hard fight, the refusal to wield power against a monstrous enemy. His "peacefulness" was not virtue; it was surrender, born of personal inadequacy and a failure to confront the moral weight of his choices.

The consequences of Quisling's actionsand Norway's broader failure to embrace powerwere devastating. Norway fell in two months, one of the swiftest defeats of the war. The German occupation was brutal: resistance fighters were executed, Jews were deported to death camps, and the Norwegian economy was bled dry to fuel Hitler's war machine. Quisling, installed as a puppet leader, became a symbol of collaboration, his name synonymous with treason. His vision of "peace" through submission brought only suffering, proving the chapter's point that silence is not peaceit's complicity.

The ripple effects were profound. Norway's lack of preparedness and Quisling's betrayal delayed Allied efforts in Scandinavia, allowing Germany to secure vital resources like iron ore. The Norwegian people, betrayed by their own, endured five years of oppression, their national pride scarred. Quisling's "virtue"his claim to be saving Norway by avoiding conflictwas exposed as a sham, a product of his inability to act with true power or courage. His inadequacy didn't just fail him; it failed an entire nation.

Contrast this with the Norwegian resistance, who embody the chapter's call to be dangerous. Ordinary citizensfishermen, teachers, studentstook up arms, sabotaged German operations, and smuggled intelligence to the Allies. They had little training, but they had resolve. They refused to stay silent or avoid the fight, even at the cost of their lives. Their power, though limited, was real, forged in action and sacrifice. They didn't win the war alone, but they preserved Norway's soul, proving that true virtue requires the capacity to confront chaos, not appease it.

After the war, Quisling faced justice. Tried for treason, he was executed in 1945, his name forever a byword for betrayal. His story is a stark warning: the consequences of choosing weakness over power, silence over truth, and avoidance over action are not abstractthey are measured in blood, in lost futures, in the erosion of everything worth defending. Quisling's "peacefulness" was not a choice for good; it was a failure to be good, a failure rooted in his personal inadequacy. He lacked the strength to resist, the courage to fight, the vision to see that power, wielded rightly, is the only bulwark against tyranny.

Norway recovered, thanks to those who refused to be harmlessthose who, like the chapter's ideal, became dangerous in defense of what mattered. But the scars of Quisling's betrayal linger, a reminder that the world does not forgive the weak who masquerade as virtuous. It punishes them, and it punishes those who depend on them.


Kind of ironic to me, given the status of the world/Nobel Peace prize politics etc.
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I didn't know this until today

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Well there is a Coast Guard station in Omaha on the Missouri River and you might float a flat bottomed gunboat on the Platte.
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USA*** said:



No that is good. My FIL was an Admiral in the Texas Navy. Here story about the Texas Navy

https://www.click2houston.com/weather/2020/09/25/ahoy-mates-heres-what-a-texas-navy-admiral-commission-is-all-about/
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The Last US Cavalry charge:

https://www.military.com/daily-news/investigations-and-features/2026/01/15/last-us-cavalry-charge-history-27-troopers-routed-japanese-forces-philippines-during-wwii.html
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This would be pretty cool to see. And Really nice that the pub is kept it.

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Intermodal train-sea ferry.
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Not sure if this is exactly what the thread was for, but it's darn sure in the spirit of it and a heck of read.

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Our study of a 2,850-year-old massacre and resulting mass graveat Gomolava (modern day Serbia) shows the nature of mass killings evolving. Comprised mostly of women and girls, the grave suggests a shift in prehistoric violence. Here, women and children were not collateral victims, but deliberate targets. Looking at who was killed and how they were related can tell us about changes in ancient attitudes to killing combatants but also choices in targeting non-combatants.
The site at Gomolava, first excavated in 1971, is the second of two contemporary mass graves. It contained 77 people. Our recent study has uncovered the circumstances surrounding their death.
We found that the original theory that an epidemic had killed people from a single settlement is not supported by genetic and isotopic evidence. Our data instead showed that these people descended from the wider region but came from different settlements. Except for a mother and her two daughters, there were no close genetic relationships.


https://theconversation.com/a-2-850-year-old-mass-grave-in-serbia-reveals-a-shift-in-prehistoric-violence-277115
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Stalingrad.

In 1940, German Gen. Fredrich Von Paulus headed up the War Gaming for Operation Barbarossa, the invasion of the Soviet Union. He and his staff concluded that it would eventually fail. Long supply lines would degeade the Blitzkreig modern method of warfare. Dirt Road made impassable by the weather. A Soviet population with seemingly unlimited manpower. He recommended that Hitler cancel it entirely.

Eventually Von Paulus was the head of the German 6th Army at Stalingrad. We all know what happened.

On Feb 2, 1943, he cabled Hitler that he planned to surrender to the Red Army. Hitler promptly promoted him to Field Marshall. Hitler knew that Von Paulus knew that no German Fiels Marshall had ever been captured. Hitler assumed that Von Paulus would shoot himself.

Von Paulus was with his staff in Stalingrad when he got word of his promotion. His staff looked at him with a "well..what are ya gonna do now"? Von Paulus looked at them and stated "German Field Marshalls do not shoot themselves at the behest of Bohemian Corporals"/

Von Paulus was held in Russian captivity, somewhat comfortably, until 1953. He returned to East Germany, and lived in Dresden until his death in 1957.
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He was not allowed to leave until Stalin died, but for the Nuremberg trials (great show right now fwiw on Netflix I think).
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Aside from easily falling into this role, Friedrich Paulus also famously denounced the actions of his fellow German officers by serving as a witness against them at the Nuremberg Trials. His best-known testimony was against Generaloberst Alfred Jodl and Generalfeldmarschall Wilhelm Keitel, who'd served alongside him during Operation Barbarossa.

Due, in part, to Paulus' testimony, both men were executed.

The parade of the vanquished or 'defeat parade' in Moscow is somewhat famous as his forces last public appearance. The Soviets were exceptionally brutal toward the German POW's, a tremendous number of whom died in captivity.

I find him a pretty fascinating historical figure;
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Very few of the 6th Army prisoners survived and many that did had to resort to cannibalism.

I knew one of the survivors, he was the father of my wife's childhood best friend. He would talk about the fighting but not imprisonment, other than it was terrible. The tip of his noses was disfigured by the frostbite he got in captivity. He was not repatriated until 1955, nearly eight years in captivity.

His wife knew Russian so she served as a translator during the war.

An interesting side note that made it seem like a small world, the daughter got married to a man from Plaucherville, LA. It was the hole in the wall where my grandfather was from. My wife and I were the only ones sitting on the bride's side with the parents since all the bride's family was dead or from New York. At the reception I met older folks who knew my grandfather and they confirmed what a rogue he was.
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More at the thread.
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Incredible video.
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Nelson at Trafalgar had 6X the number of cannon as Napoleon had at Waterloo and almost all of them threw heavier projectiles.
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Interesting video. Three observations:

1. The Dachau inmates they filmed were relatively well fed for concentration camp inmates, mostly Kapos?

2. American atrocities- Rape was a big problem in the early days of American occupation of Berchtesgaden and 50+ guards executed at initial liberation of Dachau

3. Footage of former Soviet troops who fought for the Nazis. You hear about Ukrainians fighting with the SS but I had never heard of former Soviets under a Russian general fighting with the Wehrmacht. All smiling and turned over to the Soviets to die.
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Dachau was a work camp and not a death camp. They had crematoriums but were small and not setup for mass murder. None of the original barracks survived because they were used after the war to house German refugees and others that the Russians displaced. I recommend if you go there do so in the morning and give yourself time to recover from the experience.
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Greatest loss of life at sea: Roman fleet lost in a storm off Camarina?


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Rome responded swiftly by equipping a new fleet of 350 warships under consuls Servius Fulvius Paetinus Nobilior and Marcus Aemilius Paullus, tasked with evacuating the remaining forces in Africa. Sailing along the Sicilian coast, they encountered and routed a Carthaginian squadron of 200 ships off Cape Bon (Hermaeum), capturing 114 vessels and their crews, which swelled their numbers to 464 total (including wartime transports in some accounts). The fleet successfully embarked the Aspis garrison and survivors from Regulus' campaign before departing for Sicily. However, the consuls disregarded repeated warnings from experienced pilots about the perils of the southern Sicilian routeexposed headlands, lack of safe anchorages, and seasonal storms during the period between the rising of Orion and the Dog Star (late June to mid-July). Driven by recent victory and a desire to raid coastal towns, they hugged the shore near Camarina, where the storm struck with unrelenting fury, swamping ships or dashing them against rocks and cliffs.

The historian Polybius, drawing on contemporary accounts, described this as "no greater catastrophe... in all history as befalling a fleet at one time," attributing the disaster not to fate but to Roman overconfidence and inexperience at seaa cultural tendency to rely on brute force rather than nautical expertise. The wreckage and bodies littered the coastline for miles, severely straining Rome's naval resources early in the war.

 
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