Regrets for not recording an individual's story from historic events

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My next neighbor for a while in the mid 90s was a WW2 vet, paratrooper and former POW in a German camp.

That's not the story I regret not recording in some fashion. He was the son of German immigrants and visited family in Germany for an extended stay during the early years of the Reich.

I say early, but I don't remember the year. He went with his cousins to a Hitler Youth rally. I don't remember where or what he thought of it. I honestly don't remember much else about his story, but it's so intriguing to think about an American kid that was around 12?, spending time there during that period of history. I regret not following up and trying to learn more from him about his experiences and record it in some fashion.

Anyone else have similar regrets about stories from people in your past?
"If all mankind minus one, were of one opinion, and only one person were of the contrary opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that one person, than he, if he had the power, would be justified in silencing mankind." - J.S. Mill
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My dad. B-24 bombardier in WWII.
My uncle, a B-17 bombardier in WWII.
My HS girlfriend's dad, WWII Infantry CPT, Medal of Honor.
Except they're all dead. As is my really famous Marine uncle who I talked to a lot, in junior high and high school especially, but never about his wartime experiences.
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My dad WWII and Korea USMC

Two Uncles WWII both USMC. One was in the
Marines in the early 30's. Stationed in Iceland to deter the Russians. The other went in with my dad in '42 serving in WWII, Korea and Vietnam.

Two Uncles who were Army and served in the European theater.

I tried to get them to share their experiences. They were polite about saying no. My dad said they never discussed it with each other.

Interestingly, if my dad encountered another veteran, regardless of age/conflict, he would happily engage with them. I suppose because they had a shared experience.
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NE PA Ag said:

My next neighbor for a while in the mid 90s was a WW2 vet, paratrooper and former POW in a German camp.

That's not the story I regret not recording in some fashion. He was the son of German immigrants and visited family in Germany for an extended stay during the early years of the Reich.

I say early, but I don't remember the year. He went with his cousins to a Hitler Youth rally. I don't remember where or what he thought of it. I honestly don't remember much else about his story, but it's so intriguing to think about an American kid that was around 12?, spending time there during that period of history. I regret not following up and trying to learn more from him about his experiences and record it in some fashion.

Anyone else have similar regrets about stories from people in your past?

Yes, so many regrets in this area.'

I think I have a pretty good memory. I did not find college nor the CPA exam to be very difficult because once I read something with the purpose of having to remember it (as opposed to just general reading), I can all but see the words, type written or hand written.

One of my regrets is not having found out more about my dad's time in the Pacific. In connection with my memory, I can plainly remember him saying he got wounded on Tarawa when he and another BAR man were on the ground side by side shooting at the heads of Japanese who were swimming over to the neighboring island, Bairiki. (The fighting known as Tarawa was mainly on Betio.) A mortar or grenade exploded between the two of them, shrapnel wounds for both. This recollection occurred from what I heard my father telling a neighbor when I was a kid. He never talked much about any of the fighting, but the neighbor had fought the Germans and I used to hide and listen to them swap war stories.

But later I learned this could not have been the case. He was wounded on Nov. 20th, the first day of the fighting. He would never have been close to the tip of Betio in order to be shooting at the enemy swimming over to the next island. That happened near the end of the fighting.

Many of the things he did over there I have confirmation about, including when he was wounded on Saipan. After my dad died, I got in touch with a couple of dozen Marines in his company, some in his platoon. Few were with him on Tarawa but were with him on Saipan and Tinian. I have around 30 letters from them that describe things they were involved in. But I dropped the ball. Was so busy with work, and with our having children that I did not follow up and find out all they knew.

In a really odd turn of events, I had posted pictures my dad had on a Tarawa Facebook page and one guy (Ken) messaged me that one of the guys in the picture was his brother, who died on the first day of the Tarawa fight. I was able to verify this was true. Turns out Ken's hometown and my hometown were playing each other for the state softball championship. After we had messaged for a few months, this same topic came up, the not knowing things. I mentioned to him that in one of the letters from a Marine in my dad's platoon he said he could still hear my dad singing in the morning as he cleaned his BAR (of course when they were not close to the Japanese). This Marine said the words said something along the lines of "when the angels sing." Within a minute of posting that to Ken, he sent me a link to the song "And the Angel's Sing." So one mystery solved in an unlikely way, so many yet to have an answer, most never will.

I feel fortunate to have what I have, just wish I had done more when the opportunity was there.
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My Grandmother was kicked out of the house at 12-ish. Her youngest sibling, who she was watching while her parents were at work, was run over by a horse and carriage and her father blamed her.

This was in Cicero (west Chicago) she was without adult supervision. This would have been around 1914/15. By the time she hit her early 20s Cicero was a full blown speak easy, home of Al Capone, bathtub gin and a flappers whirlwind.

It must have been a wild time to be a young adult, but she refused to tell us anything about it.

But I can never forget how mischievous those eyes looked when asked.



She went on to make it to 101.
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My regrets is not really getting to talk to either of my grandfathers about their experiences. The closest I got was with my maternal grandfather who did not appreciate me parking my brand new Toyota in his driveway. After I moved my car to the street, I sat with him on the porch and talked about a bunch of different things. Eventually I asked, with the understanding that our family has a lot of German ancestry, if he had been sent to Europe rather than the Pacific, and I had parked a BMW in his driveway, would he have had the same reaction. He said he thought he would have. Now that doesn't speak to his war experiences, but it is the closest I got to such a conversation.

He was in the Navy, where it was stated at his funeral that he twice survived ships being sunk beneath him. This was controversial, however, in that my mom said that didn't happen while my aunt said it did. With no way to verify, I am left with a choice of what to believe. In this case, sorry mom, I gotta go with my aunt on this one.

On the paternal side, my granddad was in the Army in the 30s, was discharged honorably then went in to the Navy after Pearl. I have far less on what he did, although someone in our family told me he was a tail gunner on a torpedo bomber. This is frustrating given my lifelong love of WWII aviation. He had to have had lots of stories he could have shared with me as he was well aware of my love of war planes. But the curious aspect to my granddad's story - that I will likely never get an answer to - is that he was discharged after serving in the Navy for roughly a year. Was it honorable or dishonorable? Was it related to an injury (although in the time that I knew him, there was never any indication that he had been hurt to my young eyes)? Was it related to my grandmother's health, which from what I understand, was not good in those years?
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The war stories, one of the replies talked about hiding and listening. My grandfather who I spent a lot of time around was a WW1 vet. Dad was Korea. No war stories. Dad would talk about training though.

I have a positive family story about this though. My cousin sat with my great uncle with a tape recorder in the mid 70s and had him relate stories from being a young teenager growing up on a farm in the Valley. The stories were mostly about raids by Mexican bandits from across the border circa 1914.

I don't have a copy anymore, but my grandmother had told me about it more than once from her vantage point (she was the oldest and a 1 1/2 older than my great uncle). I listened to the recordings 2 or 3 times over the years, so I have a good recollection of the details.
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All you guys with deceased military relatives from some long ago war, dig up their SS #'s and try to get their military records. I got my dad's after he died, there's stuff in their from WWII. Especially the Navy guys, those records will tell which ship they served on and you can research the ship's history.
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My dad being in the true horse Cav. 5th Cav at Ft. Clark Texas from 1937-1941. Then re-enlisted in the Army Air Corp in 1941 and was in for the duration of WWII as a B-25 crew chief in the Pacific Theater.
His brother who survived the Battan Death March and being a POW in Japan till the end of the war.
Another of his brothers in the 3rd Army in the European theater in WWII.
And finally his oldest brother that was in the AAC in the Aleutian Islands for the duration of WWII.
My Grandfather that was in France in WWI, wounded in the Meuse Argonne on Oct. 6, 1918 and survived after lying in a trench for two days.
They all talked little about their experiences. All led normal successful lives after the wars…..but only my uncle who was in the Battan DM made it to 80. The rest all passed before reaching 75.
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OldArmyCT said:

All you guys with deceased military relatives from some long ago war, dig up their SS #'s and try to get their military records. I got my dad's after he died, there's stuff in their from WWII. Especially the Navy guys, those records will tell which ship they served on and you can research the ship's history.

I had tried that early on in my research. My grandfather's WWI records (Army) were among those lost in the 1973 fire. My fathers WWII records were as well. He was in the Marines and, as I understand it most of the records lost were Army and Air Force but there were a some Marine records that had been pulled for research or the like and his was among those.
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Gunny456 said:

My dad being in the true horse Cav. 5th Cav at Ft. Clark Texas from 1937-1941. Then re-enlisted in the Army Air Corp in 1941 and was in for the duration of WWII as a B-25 crew chief in the Pacific Theater.
His brother who survived the Battan Death March and being a POW in Japan till the end of the war.
Another of his brothers in the 3rd Army in the European theater in WWII.
And finally his oldest brother that was in the AAC in the Aleutian Islands for the duration of WWII.
My Grandfather that was in France in WWI, wounded in the Meuse Argonne on Oct. 6, 1918 and survived after lying in a trench for two days.
They all talked little about their experiences. All led normal successful lives after the wars…..but only my uncle who was in the Battan DM made it to 80. The rest all passed before reaching 75.

My grandfather was also wounded in the Meuse Argonne offensive (gassed). Do you know what division, etc. yours was with? Mine was in the 32nd Division, 128th regiment ("Les Terribles"), Company A.
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one safe place said:

OldArmyCT said:

All you guys with deceased military relatives from some long ago war, dig up their SS #'s and try to get their military records. I got my dad's after he died, there's stuff in their from WWII. Especially the Navy guys, those records will tell which ship they served on and you can research the ship's history.

I had tried that early on in my research. My grandfather's WWI records (Army) were among those lost in the 1973 fire. My fathers WWII records were as well. He was in the Marines and, as I understand it most of the records lost were Army and Air Force but there were a some Marine records that had been pulled for research or the like and his was among those.

I don't have any of my grandparents' SS #s and no one in the family does either. The agency that keeps the military records is the antithesis of helpful. I gave them my grandfather's name (all of his names were relatively unusual), his DOB, DOD, place of birth, place of death and burial, and every other piece of info I could think of. Their response was "sorry, not sorry".
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Yes sir. In WWI He was in the 23rd Infantry, Company G.
He was shot through the upper thigh and came out the back of his hip.
Miraculous that he laid in a trench for two days and survived. He was in a hospital in France for six months before he was well enough to be shipped back to the states. His injury bothered him the rest of his life.
He got a whopping $1.44 a month disability pay.
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I never knew my dad's dad, who died when my old man was 8, but would have loved to talk about his experiences in the Pacific. Same with my mom's dad who passed when I was in 3rd grade. I recently learned Uncle Gene, who passed several years ago, was part of and survived TF Faith at the Chosin Reservoir in 1950. It's no wonder he never spoke of it.
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KingofHazor said:

one safe place said:

OldArmyCT said:

All you guys with deceased military relatives from some long ago war, dig up their SS #'s and try to get their military records. I got my dad's after he died, there's stuff in their from WWII. Especially the Navy guys, those records will tell which ship they served on and you can research the ship's history.

I had tried that early on in my research. My grandfather's WWI records (Army) were among those lost in the 1973 fire. My fathers WWII records were as well. He was in the Marines and, as I understand it most of the records lost were Army and Air Force but there were a some Marine records that had been pulled for research or the like and his was among those.

I don't have any of my grandparents' SS #s and no one in the family does either. The agency that keeps the military records is the antithesis of helpful. I gave them my grandfather's name (all of his names were relatively unusual), his DOB, DOD, place of birth, place of death and burial, and every other piece of info I could think of. Their response was "sorry, not sorry".

It took me ages (6 to 8 months) to get a response from the national archive group, then they said they sent it, but I did not get it, so it took a couple of more weeks.

One thing you might look into is something like Ancestry. I have come across 4 or 5 documents that had my father's social security number on it. I had it already, so was not looking for it, but it was shown on documents I came across while looking for other things. If someone you know has an Ancestry account, it might be worth a shot.
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Gunny456 said:

Yes sir. In WWI He was in the 23rd Infantry, Company G.
He was shot through the upper thigh and came out the back of his hip.
Miraculous that he laid in a trench for two days and survived. He was in a hospital in France for six months before he was well enough to be shipped back to the states. His injury bothered him the rest of his life.
He got a whopping $1.44 a month disability pay.

Yeah that was pretty miraculous he survived. Being shot like that in 1918 was way more difficult to survive than later on. Medical treatment, infection, etc. so different then.

My grandfather died at 47 years old, his lungs were never the same or so it was said.

$1.44 a month is just shameful and sinful.
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Gunny456 said:

Yes sir. In WWI He was in the 23rd Infantry, Company G.
He was shot through the upper thigh and came out the back of his hip.
Miraculous that he laid in a trench for two days and survived. He was in a hospital in France for six months before he was well enough to be shipped back to the states. His injury bothered him the rest of his life.
He got a whopping $1.44 a month disability pay.

The 23rd Infantry was part of the 2nd Division. That division was commanded at some point my John Archer LeJeune, who was a Marine. I think he was the first Marine given an Army divisional command, or one of the first at least. Camp LeJeune is named after him which many folks will know. Very cool, thanks for sharing the history.
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Thanks. Good idea.
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OldArmyCT said:

All you guys with deceased military relatives from some long ago war, dig up their SS #'s and try to get their military records. I got my dad's after he died, there's stuff in their from WWII. Especially the Navy guys, those records will tell which ship they served on and you can research the ship's history.


I did this for a member of my wife's family. We learned a lot through his records - including getting a copy of the telegrams notifying the family of his wounds and death. It was pretty valuable info.

I do remember when we applied for it that some WW2 records were lost due to a fire and subsequent water damage .

Edit: others have mentioned this but leaving the post to share what we received.
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My dad was in the Navy in WWII, serving on a destroyer in the Pacific. My grandmother saved all the letters he wrote home, and I ended up with them. Back in the '90's, I transcribed all of them into Word (or whatever I was using then). I got his ship's war diary from the naval archives, and I was able to take the letters and the ship's log and build a narrative of what was happening around him at the time he wrote the letters. I unimaginatively titled it ""Letters Home," and that "book" (more like a really long term paper) was his birthday present one year. My son has a copy, and one day my grandson will as well.
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For WW2 veterans there are lots of unit "yearbooks" on it. The WW2 info is spotty at best. For both of my GF's I just find their draft card info and some Census info on ancestry. No unit info or other groundbreaking information. Not saying that's the case for everyone, but it's what I've found for my relatives. I have the super account or whatever it it's called so access to Ancestry, Newspaper.com, Fold3 etc….

I'd still recommend trying it out, you can get a week free trial and you'll still find tons of neat stuff. Hell, I've taken a branch of the family tree back to mid-1500s France, which I never expected, and found multiple direct relation American Rev. vets in the family.
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Very very awesome! Well done.
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wildcat08 said:

My dad was in the Navy in WWII, serving on a destroyer in the Pacific. My grandmother saved all the letters he wrote home, and I ended up with them. Back in the '90's, I transcribed all of them into Word (or whatever I was using then). I got his ship's war diary from the naval archives, and I was able to take the letters and the ship's log and build a narrative of what was happening around him at the time he wrote the letters. I unimaginatively titled it ""Letters Home," and that "book" (more like a really long term paper) was his birthday present one year. My son has a copy, and one day my grandson will as well.

Wow, that is quite an undertaking. My wife's father (he died when she was 6, was class of '38. Her mother saved probably 200 to 300 letters he wrote from his time in the Army. She began to transcribe them but ran out of energy to do so!
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Paternal Grandfather. Roy L. Boutwell
5th Cavalry Regiment. Fort Clark, Texas 1933-1940. Discharge papers signed by Colonel George S. Patton. Patton wanted is horse and he refused to give it up.
Volunteer - M-3/M-18 Tank Destroyers Fort Hood, Texas / CBI- attached to the British Army (1944-1945)
The US sent M-18s to the Brit 14th Army in India and he went with them to train the Brits and Indians. The Brits didn't want them because they liked the 75 mm guns on the Shermans and Grants (fired better HE rounds). Didn't need the 76mm on the M-18 had because the Japs (his words) didn't have tanks that required that type of servicing. They sent him to a Brit tank unit as mechanic to service their Shermans and left the M-18s on the dock in Calcutta. He said the Brits dumped them in the ocean.
Refrigeration Unit - 1945-1946 -India/Burma. Transferred to a USA maintenance unit after war and spent a year flying in C-46 Commando around Southeast and Southwest Asia servicing big refrigeration units in China Iran, Iraq, India and Burma. Hopefully my father has his bomber jacket with the Hump patches on it somewhere. I've seen it once.
I worked for him summers during high school. He installed theater seating all over the country, so I had lots of time to talk and listen to his stories as we traveled to jobs.
All of his military records were destroyed in the St Louis fire in 1973.


Maternal Grandfather Charles W. Broaddus
232 Inf Regiment, 42 Infantry Division 1944-1945 Ardennes-Alsace, Rhineland, Central Europe.
Oldest man in his Company. Clerk Typist because he was an accountant with the U.S. Soil Conservation Service when drafted. Witnessed German jets bombing the Rhine River bridges. Put on two left boots one night when the Germans bombed their lines one night. Saw the concentration camps. Used to lay in his travel trailer "camping out" in his back yard during the summer when I was little and he would tell stories.

Have only the memories of their stories.
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Gunny456 said:

My dad being in the true horse Cav. 5th Cav at Ft. Clark Texas from 1937-1941. Then re-enlisted in the Army Air Corp in 1941 and was in for the duration of WWII as a B-25 crew chief in the Pacific Theater.
His brother who survived the Battan Death March and being a POW in Japan till the end of the war.
Another of his brothers in the 3rd Army in the European theater in WWII.
And finally his oldest brother that was in the AAC in the Aleutian Islands for the duration of WWII.
My Grandfather that was in France in WWI, wounded in the Meuse Argonne on Oct. 6, 1918 and survived after lying in a trench for two days.
They all talked little about their experiences. All led normal successful lives after the wars…..but only my uncle who was in the Battan DM made it to 80. The rest all passed before reaching 75.

My grandfather B Troop 5th Cavalry. Fort Clark 1933-1940. Roy L. Boutwell. Lived in Temple, Texas his entire life.
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My dad was born in Lott, Texas. Orphaned at 13. Was 14 when he went to Ft. Clark and lied about his age. He was in E Troop. Do you guys have any of your grandfathers group pictures?
Every year they did a regiment mounted panoramic picture on the parade grounds. The pictures were about a foot tall and 36" long. They gave two of them to every trooper. They did them every year.
They also did a dis mounted picture of them all together separated by troop.
When my dad was shipped overseas in WWII his were all lost. I have tried to find someone that had those pics during the years my dad was there. His first year at Ft. Clark was 1937 but he arrived after the pic was taken in January. He was there 1937-1941 so he would have been in three of those pics.
Are you aware that every single trooper, upon honorable discharge, received a leather bound photo album of his time at Ft. Clark? Do you guys have that?
I have my dad's leather bound album but his crazy ex wife tore all the pictures out.
Sure would like to communicate about your grandfather.
I have met with the curator of the little museum at Ft. Clark multiple times. I have a good collection of my dads saddle, saddle blankets, horse hair cinch, picket ropes, boots, mounted canteen, saddle bags, bits and reins and lots of other accoutrements he had.
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Gunny456 said:


Every year they did a regiment mounted panoramic picture on the parade grounds. The pictures were about a foot tall and 36" long.



Those photos were very likely taken by the Goldbeck Company in San Antonio.

I'm sure they still have all the original negatives for the panoramics, so you could possibly get some copies made.
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Scratch that, it looks like Goldbeck's collection was sent to UT.

https://hrc.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/p15878coll28/search/searchterm/soldiers%20--%20texas%20--%20san%20antonio/field/subjec/mode/exact/conn/and

I don't see any for Fort Clark, but that could be they haven't digitized it yet. It's worth an email to them if you're so inclined.
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Thank you.
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Gunny456 said:

My dad was born in Lott, Texas. Orphaned at 13. Was 14 when he went to Ft. Clark and lied about his age. He was in E Troop. Do you guys have any of your grandfathers group pictures?
Every year they did a regiment mounted panoramic picture on the parade grounds. The pictures were about a foot tall and 36" long. They gave two of them to every trooper. They did them every year.
They also did a dis mounted picture of them all together separated by troop.
When my dad was shipped overseas in WWII his were all lost. I have tried to find someone that had those pics during the years my dad was there. His first year at Ft. Clark was 1937 but he arrived after the pic was taken in January. He was there 1937-1941 so he would have been in three of those pics.
Are you aware that every single trooper, upon honorable discharge, received a leather bound photo album of his time at Ft. Clark? Do you guys have that?
I have my dad's leather bound album but his crazy ex wife tore all the pictures out.
Sure would like to communicate about your grandfather.
I have met with the curator of the little museum at Ft. Clark multiple times. I have a good collection of my dads saddle, saddle blankets, horse hair cinch, picket ropes, boots, mounted canteen, saddle bags, bits and reins and lots of other accoutrements he had.


What is his name?
I have seen those types of photos. I will check to see if my dad has them. Here are some that I have digital copies that I have.
We don't have any tack.. He was of the opinion that he was done and over with it and had no need for it. Never delt with horses again.


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Uncle met Patton in Sicily.

I'm going from memory here as I only heard him tell this story one time and it was at a hotel pool we were all staying at for a family wedding.

He and another private were on 'guard duty' at a bridge that went to/from the front. He and the other private had some superficial wounds and were on light duty (or whatever it was called back then) and told to guard this bridge. The other guy was actually in a little worse shape than my uncle and had trouble standing. Patton would drive back and forth 2-3 times a day and each time they'd come to attention and salute him as he drove by, and he'd salute back.

After a 4-days of this, Patton stopped at the bridge one day, noticing it was the same two guys guarding the bridge. He asked them who they were, platoon/company (etc.) and how long they'd been there and if they had enough supplies. My uncle answered his questions and said we're running out of water sir; we were supposed to be relieved yesterday but no word yet.

He said Patton drove off and about 2-hours later the entire company came marching over the hill to relieve them! His CO started to dress him down about talking to the general and he answered "sir, I did exactly as I was told, I didn't say a word to the general unless he asked me a question!".

Really wish I'd have been able to record it b/c he had a lot more details that I just don't remember.
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