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HoustonAg2106 said:

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In his first year he had us playing for a trip to the SEC championship game in the last game of the year against our most hated rival.

Would you seriously have said that is a bad first year if I told you that in July? I understand the context of losing every power 4 game in November, but it's not enough to just completely give up on him after one freaking year

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He lost 4 out of his last 5. That's awful and anyone who says otherwise is just rationalizing away the truth.

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You're going to make OP cry. lol

BigSneezy said:

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HoustonAg2106 said:

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In his first year he had us playing for a trip to the SEC championship game in the last game of the year against our most hated rival.

Would you seriously have said that is a bad first year if I told you that in July? I understand the context of losing every power 4 game in November, but it's not enough to just completely give up on him after one freaking year

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He lost 4 out of his last 5. That's awful and anyone who says otherwise is just rationalizing away the truth.

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More logicks!!! Gimme more logicks.

TexAggie1999 said:

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HoustonAg2106 said:

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In his first year he had us playing for a trip to the SEC championship game in the last game of the year against our most hated rival.

Would you seriously have said that is a bad first year if I told you that in July? I understand the context of losing every power 4 game in November, but it's not enough to just completely give up on him after one freaking year

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Not a good year. Not a bad year. No reason for Elko hate, but no reason for Elko love either. 8-4 is about what should have been expected given our schedule. Losing a meaningless bowl game is pretty much meaningless.

That said, acting like Elko did a great job because we were playing for a chance for the SEC Championship appearance is as bad as those wanting him fired after one year. It was a combination of an easy conference schedule (at least until the last game), other SEC teams doing much worse than expected, and a lucky tie breaker situation. We were an OK team, not a really good team. And that is OK for a first year coach. Just don't make it out to be more than it was.

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Plenty of reason for Elko hate considering he hired Klein and Bateman despite blank checks to instead hire elite proven coordinators. By not complaining about those choices, we're letting Elko get away with being Jimbo Fisher and just as stubborn & delusional of self-grandeur regarding his own abilities.

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TexAggie1999 said:

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HoustonAg2106 said:

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In his first year he had us playing for a trip to the SEC championship game in the last game of the year against our most hated rival.

Would you seriously have said that is a bad first year if I told you that in July? I understand the context of losing every power 4 game in November, but it's not enough to just completely give up on him after one freaking year

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Not a good year. Not a bad year. No reason for Elko hate, but no reason for Elko love either. 8-4 is about what should have been expected given our schedule. Losing a meaningless bowl game is pretty much meaningless.

That said, acting like Elko did a great job because we were playing for a chance for the SEC Championship appearance is as bad as those wanting him fired after one year. It was a combination of an easy conference schedule (at least until the last game), other SEC teams doing much worse than expected, and a lucky tie breaker situation. We were an OK team, not a really good team. And that is OK for a first year coach. Just don't make it out to be more than it was.

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Plenty of reason for Elko hate considering he hired Klein and Bateman despite blank checks to instead hire elite proven coordinators. By not complaining about those choices, we're letting Elko get away with being Jimbo Fisher and just as stubborn & delusional of self-grandeur regarding his own abilities.

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He still gets paid almost as much as Jimbo did when he first arrived and either 75% or 80% of his remaining contract whenever we fire him. You aren't changing that.

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So that debate can be had in a couple more years if that's important to you. But crying about what Jimbo did with that 2022 class is not relevant at this present time.

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This isn't about Jimbo. Were there multiple players this year that truly wowed us this year and did so much better than expected?

I think Elko is at the top of the food chain.

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I think the people who keep talking about lack of talent and asserting all the underperforming top recruits are simply busts while giving the coaches a pass are the ones that don't know what they're looking at. Our struggles in the last 5 games were squarely coaching issues. Not ready to play at SC, blowing late leads against Auburn and USC. I would be much more inclined to believe in Elko's future if we had won 2 of the 3…the coach we need would have won all three. Why anyone wants to make excuses for the collapse or is offended by the fan criticism is beyond me.

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Nobody's giving the coaches a pass. Just pointing out some realities.
Part of it, yeah, this isn't something that's fixable in a new coaches first year.
Another part, seems we have a lot of people feeling like we have a Georgia roster and should be getting Georgia seasons, when we definitely don't.
Part of that lack of roster issue is depth, or lack thereof, particularly on defense. Similar to Sumlins end of year pitfalls, I don't know if we rotated enough players to give the 1's enough recovery. It's a long season, and the offense didn't do them many favors either.
Would be curious to see a chart on snaps, and what players played what quantities. The front 7 success against LSU just didn't look the same against SCar or Aub, both winnable.
Then against Texas, that's extra adrenaline, but they just proved to be better. Without the turnovers deep in our territory, that game can easily be 0-31

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Well, you can see I'm not putting us in UGa's strata yet as I haven't criticized the fact that we lost to ND or tu although I am critical of the way we got utterly dominated against tu. So, we're down to 3 games SC, Auburn and USC which we had no business playing because we very well could have been 10-2 and in the playoffs if we'd won the first two.

At 7-1 (5-0) we head into SC and fall behind by 14 right off the bat…depth was not the issue. Our preparation was. We fight to get in the game at the half then get SHUT OUT in the second. The game prior we changed the QB and smoked LSU. But, due to the inexplicable and unnecessary decision to name Reed the unquestioned starter for the remainder of the season we stand pat. Then, down 10 with 5 minutes to play, we punt from roughly mid-field and proceed to get blown out. On the heels of the 4th and short fiascos in the first half it was inexplicable. I don't think the team responded well the rest of the year as a result.

Then Auburn. We fall behind by 21 to a team that had done nothing all season. POORLY PREPARED AGAIN. Despite the obvious unpreparedness going into the game, the game is ours if we just close it out. With the lead and the ball, we run 3 straight times, even on 3rd and 9. One first down, we win the game but why take a risk. We punt and let them drive the length of the field and were lucky to hold them to 3 and get to OT where we lost. We repeated this feeble scene against USC.

To recap, at 7-1 (5-0) Elko had a chance to have a special first season and blew it. Saying it was a personnel problem is giving him a pass for the poor performance against, not UGa, UT and Bama but, SC and a crappy Auburn team. If it was personnel I doubt we would have been 7-1 to begin with. It was much more likely the poor preparation and poor decisions Elko made.

Now, Elko will have at least 2 more years to build that winning culture. I seriously doubt he'll have significantly more talent than he had this year. Quality depth is always going to be problematic with the portal. It's his job to develop what he brings in, prepare well and get that done and maybe he will. But he deserves to be criticized (it's not hate) for the way HE executed down the stretch. It was the antithesis of building a winning mentality in the program.

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the problem is...

the fanbase has seen this movie before

and looking back...Sumlin never recovered from the November slides after the first one happened in 2014

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Yes, many of us know or feel confident on how this plays out.

Dude lost every conference game in Nov and blew a lead against a bad USC team in the bowl game

It doesn't get much worse than that but we still have pumpers doing their non sense

Losing to Auburn is unforgivable. Everything else I can live with. He had a very good core team and plenty of money to compete in the portal to shore up the holes. He's not new to being an HC. He's supposed to be a defensive guru, but the defense got a lot worse and is what cost us games. Based on what I've seen, I don't think he will get the job done. Hope I'm wrong.

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Losing to Auburn is unforgivable. Everything else I can live with. He had a very good core team and plenty of money to compete in the portal to shore up the holes. He's not new to being an HC. He's supposed to be a defensive guru, but the defense got a lot worse and is what cost us games. Based on what I've seen, I don't think he will get the job done. Hope I'm wrong.

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This is when Elko lost me. I'm done with him. You're also more accepting than I am because everything that followed the Auburn loss was B.A.D

This coaching staff is terrible

Problem the pumpers got is they up against a bunch of bangers hardened by 30-years under the worst conditions imaginable.

Bangers are the Mujahideen.

There's no patience left after 20 years of failed coaching changes, billions of dollars, and annual promises from all the talking heads that this year/coach will be different. Everyone else with our resources has something to show for it. It's past time. It's a frustrating joke. Basically like the Cowboys over the same period. Nothing but excuses. Most people are sick of it and won't be fooled again. Win or get out, just like the portal.

People act like the portal and NIL change the "3 years to build your program" narrative. It doesn't. It still takes time and good coaches can still fail early. The Astros took what, 5-6 years to build a World Series team? Dan Campbell went 3-13 in his first year at Detroit.

Don't expect an SEC championship or NC in 2025 either. Beat the teams we're supposed to beat and play tough against the better teams, keeping recruiting well, and fill gaps with the portal, and we can be fine. If there's no clear improvement over 2024 then we may have to start getting concerned but I have a feeling that most would've been happy with (or at least should have expected) an 8-4 regular season in Elko's first year especially considering our star QB turned out to be a dud plus major injuries at every position group.

Maroon blazer mafia has failed for the last time.

Peoples patience has run out. And that's what you seeing here.

I am sick of 7 wins

Leander - Ag said:

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I am sick of 7 wins

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Well said.

Instead of trying to change everyone else's behavior why don't you just change your own?
Stop reading the threads that you obviously disagree with.
Problem solved.

the most concerning issue to me was that this team got worse, not better down the stretch. Numerous issues, especially on the defensive side of the ball were never fixed. Of course, some of the drop off can be traced back to attrition. Injuries added up. It does take time to build depth and that's probably more difficult to do in this day and age than it was a few years ago.

#1 issue above all the other problems is we do not have a QB that can make reliable plays in the pass and/or running game during critical downs (short or long yardage) throughout the game. For being a mobile QB Marcel cannot read or evade the pass rush and goes down very easily with hand / fingertip tackles. Doesn't make logical or statiscial sense to keep investing in bad math, but this coaching staff appears mystified on how to fix.

Doens't have to be JFF quality, but even Mond could get key conversions on critical downs because he was just a little bit bigger, tougher, and better than what we have currently. Marcel is a great kid, but he has a basketball frame and those physics will never work in elite level football (in fact it didn't work agaist the middle of pack Big10 the other night). Any of the Mond teams from 2018 and 2019 would have buzz-sawed that USC squad and everyone in the fan base knows it.

This coaching staff appears content for the second offseason in a row to ignore bringing in the single most important portal ingrediant. Next year we'll see 3-4 QBs emerge from seemingly no where to flip the script at their new destination schools while we are complaining about scheme, play calling, cohesive line, missed run fits, blown coverage....blah, blah, blah. Good QB covers up all the mistakes that take place across the other 21 positions.

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The fanbase here (like most other fanbases that actually give a damn) is full of overreactive idiots who really don't know what they're looking at anyway.

They just know they didn't get what they wanted, or what they think they "deserve", and they kick and scream like infants because of it.

That's a big part of the problem with fanbase perception. There's a huge disconnect across the board about how "talented" this team really is, and what our record "should" be, relative to said "talent"…..versus what it actually is.

Do we have some talent? Yeah, in a few spots.
Do we have championship caliber talent across the board, with quality depth right behind them? Hell no, not even close.

But the recruiting stars, OMG don't you remember all the recruiting stars??
That #1 class was fools gold. Most of em are gone anyway, so I'm not sure why it keeps getting brought up. Bad fits, several bad apples….just bad in a lot of aspects.
As for others, our previous regimes since we've joined the SEC were severely lacking when it comes to DEVELOPING players into NFL caliber prospects. Something Saban made a priority.

But the "talent composite", look at that talent composite! That doesn't mean **** if they're not improving. Because the elite competition we wanna beat, those rosters ARE improving, whereas ours historically just remained mostly stagnant.

Michigan won it all last year. Gutted out the ups and downs with Harbaugh, and it paid off.
The numbers that matter (relative to "talent" levels) are very telling.
That season, plus the 4 years leading up, they created/developed a roster that put 45 players into NFL Draft. Forty ****ing five.

What did we produce in that same timeframe? Only 17.
Yeah, they damn near tripled us up. Very telling.

More ammo? UGA had 49. Bama had 46.
Again, we did 17.

Ok, so let's talk t.u. Make jokes about Sark if you want, but he's building something over there.
Last year they put in 11. We did 4.
This year they prob do 10+ again. We'll likely do 3.

Until this changes, and until we can also push 10+ with some consistency, we won't have the "talent".
We'll just be another team, looking up, hoping like hell we pull off some big upsets.

I don't know if Elko's the guy.
But I don't know that he's not, either. Not yet.
One thing for sure though, it's not something he can fix in just his first year.

Anybody assuming "we're soooo close" is completely clueless and absolutely full of *****

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A lot of words to say " just wait till next year!"

W said:

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the problem is...

the fanbase has seen this movie before

and looking back...Sumlin never recovered from the November slides after the first one happened in 2014

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Elko and Sumlin are not the same guy

And the portal/nil era is different than the time when Sumlin coached

Just because something happened in the past with someone else doesn't mean it will happen now with completely different players and coaches with a completely different framework and set of rules to work within

The problem is people need to separate the past from the present and be better at compartmentalization

NyAggie said:

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W said:

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the problem is...

the fanbase has seen this movie before

and looking back...Sumlin never recovered from the November slides after the first one happened in 2014

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Elko and Sumlin are not the same guy

And the portal/nil era is different than the time when Sumlin coached

Just because something happened in the past with someone else doesn't mean it will happen now with completely different players and coaches with a completely different framework and set of rules to work within

The problem is people need to separate the past from the present and be better at compartmentalization


Not happening. This goes against basic human nature. People don't have an undying bottomless pit of being patient. And thats ultimately what we're discussing. Yet again, Aggies are being told "be patient", "next year", "things have changed, watch for it", "it's his first season", etc. etc. etc.

Based on our history, one which involves every excuse known to man as to why a football program is underperforming, it's reasonable for people to not to separate the past from the present. Why should they? The definition of insanity.... well, you know the rest.

This isn't on the fans. We've done our part for DECADES by being patient. Again, we've been patient for decades. The fans get a pass. They can't be asked for that anymore. Elko and his staff need to start winning and they need to start wining immediately. Three years Mike..... get us to playoffs by year three or you need to be kicked to the curb. That's it for our "patience".

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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TxAg76 said:

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The fanbase here (like most other fanbases that actually give a damn) is full of overreactive idiots who really don't know what they're looking at anyway.

They just know they didn't get what they wanted, or what they think they "deserve", and they kick and scream like infants because of it.

That's a big part of the problem with fanbase perception. There's a huge disconnect across the board about how "talented" this team really is, and what our record "should" be, relative to said "talent"…..versus what it actually is.

Do we have some talent? Yeah, in a few spots.
Do we have championship caliber talent across the board, with quality depth right behind them? Hell no, not even close.

But the recruiting stars, OMG don't you remember all the recruiting stars??
That #1 class was fools gold. Most of em are gone anyway, so I'm not sure why it keeps getting brought up. Bad fits, several bad apples….just bad in a lot of aspects.
As for others, our previous regimes since we've joined the SEC were severely lacking when it comes to DEVELOPING players into NFL caliber prospects. Something Saban made a priority.

But the "talent composite", look at that talent composite! That doesn't mean **** if they're not improving. Because the elite competition we wanna beat, those rosters ARE improving, whereas ours historically just remained mostly stagnant.

Michigan won it all last year. Gutted out the ups and downs with Harbaugh, and it paid off.
The numbers that matter (relative to "talent" levels) are very telling.
That season, plus the 4 years leading up, they created/developed a roster that put 45 players into NFL Draft. Forty ****ing five.

What did we produce in that same timeframe? Only 17.
Yeah, they damn near tripled us up. Very telling.

More ammo? UGA had 49. Bama had 46.
Again, we did 17.

Ok, so let's talk t.u. Make jokes about Sark if you want, but he's building something over there.
Last year they put in 11. We did 4.
This year they prob do 10+ again. We'll likely do 3.

Until this changes, and until we can also push 10+ with some consistency, we won't have the "talent".
We'll just be another team, looking up, hoping like hell we pull off some big upsets.

I don't know if Elko's the guy.
But I don't know that he's not, either. Not yet.
One thing for sure though, it's not something he can fix in just his first year.

Anybody assuming "we're soooo close" is completely clueless and absolutely full of *****

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So, in other words we need to "be patient"?

Sorry, that ship f'ing sailed. Elko doesn't get to say that as it's falling all deaf ears. Not his fault but he's the victim of circumstances. RC said the same followed by Fran, then Sherman, then Sumlin, and then Jimbo. Hell, go back far enough and dig through the Battlion archives and you'll find coaches as far back as Harry Stiteler saying the same thing.

So now after 7 + DECADES of being told "be patient" here we sit getting that same **** shoved down our throats, this time by yet another coach making millions. Sorry, Elmo just shutup and win. Save your excuses for the next guy, he'll probably need some also.

Just f'ing win. No more excuses.

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You can puff your chest out, play the "no excuses" tough guy, and throw as big of an "unacceptable" tantrum as you want.
It's not gonna change the things we need, or the steps involved, and it's certainly not gonna speed it up.

But if stomping your foot and throwing a fit makes you feel better, go for it.

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TxAg76 said:

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The fanbase here (like most other fanbases that actually give a damn) is full of overreactive idiots who really don't know what they're looking at anyway.

They just know they didn't get what they wanted, or what they think they "deserve", and they kick and scream like infants because of it.

That's a big part of the problem with fanbase perception. There's a huge disconnect across the board about how "talented" this team really is, and what our record "should" be, relative to said "talent"…..versus what it actually is.

Do we have some talent? Yeah, in a few spots.
Do we have championship caliber talent across the board, with quality depth right behind them? Hell no, not even close.

But the recruiting stars, OMG don't you remember all the recruiting stars??
That #1 class was fools gold. Most of em are gone anyway, so I'm not sure why it keeps getting brought up. Bad fits, several bad apples….just bad in a lot of aspects.
As for others, our previous regimes since we've joined the SEC were severely lacking when it comes to DEVELOPING players into NFL caliber prospects. Something Saban made a priority.

But the "talent composite", look at that talent composite! That doesn't mean **** if they're not improving. Because the elite competition we wanna beat, those rosters ARE improving, whereas ours historically just remained mostly stagnant.

Michigan won it all last year. Gutted out the ups and downs with Harbaugh, and it paid off.
The numbers that matter (relative to "talent" levels) are very telling.
That season, plus the 4 years leading up, they created/developed a roster that put 45 players into NFL Draft. Forty ****ing five.

What did we produce in that same timeframe? Only 17.
Yeah, they damn near tripled us up. Very telling.

More ammo? UGA had 49. Bama had 46.
Again, we did 17.

Ok, so let's talk t.u. Make jokes about Sark if you want, but he's building something over there.
Last year they put in 11. We did 4.
This year they prob do 10+ again. We'll likely do 3.

Until this changes, and until we can also push 10+ with some consistency, we won't have the "talent".
We'll just be another team, looking up, hoping like hell we pull off some big upsets.

I don't know if Elko's the guy.
But I don't know that he's not, either. Not yet.
One thing for sure though, it's not something he can fix in just his first year.

Anybody assuming "we're soooo close" is completely clueless and absolutely full of *****

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A lot of words to say " just wait till next year!"

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Well, we're not gonna be playing any more games this year….so yeah

Not being ready to play the tu game was really the killer for me. There is no excuse for that showing. I expected the greatest effort that our team could produce and we played terrible. Any coach worth his salt should be able to get a team ready to play in the most important game that college football had to offer this year. The billed up and all the focus that the national media was putting on that game gave us a chance to become nationally prominent immediately. We had already blown our chance against Notre Dame, the first game of the season by not being ready to play, but getting another chance against tu and absolutely looking terrible and unmotivated was the killer. it was just devastating to the fans who attended the game. Those memories are the real problem. They just don't go away easy.

TxAg76 said:

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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TxAg76 said:

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The fanbase here (like most other fanbases that actually give a damn) is full of overreactive idiots who really don't know what they're looking at anyway.

They just know they didn't get what they wanted, or what they think they "deserve", and they kick and scream like infants because of it.

That's a big part of the problem with fanbase perception. There's a huge disconnect across the board about how "talented" this team really is, and what our record "should" be, relative to said "talent"…..versus what it actually is.

Do we have some talent? Yeah, in a few spots.
Do we have championship caliber talent across the board, with quality depth right behind them? Hell no, not even close.

But the recruiting stars, OMG don't you remember all the recruiting stars??
That #1 class was fools gold. Most of em are gone anyway, so I'm not sure why it keeps getting brought up. Bad fits, several bad apples….just bad in a lot of aspects.
As for others, our previous regimes since we've joined the SEC were severely lacking when it comes to DEVELOPING players into NFL caliber prospects. Something Saban made a priority.

But the "talent composite", look at that talent composite! That doesn't mean **** if they're not improving. Because the elite competition we wanna beat, those rosters ARE improving, whereas ours historically just remained mostly stagnant.

Michigan won it all last year. Gutted out the ups and downs with Harbaugh, and it paid off.
The numbers that matter (relative to "talent" levels) are very telling.
That season, plus the 4 years leading up, they created/developed a roster that put 45 players into NFL Draft. Forty ****ing five.

What did we produce in that same timeframe? Only 17.
Yeah, they damn near tripled us up. Very telling.

More ammo? UGA had 49. Bama had 46.
Again, we did 17.

Ok, so let's talk t.u. Make jokes about Sark if you want, but he's building something over there.
Last year they put in 11. We did 4.
This year they prob do 10+ again. We'll likely do 3.

Until this changes, and until we can also push 10+ with some consistency, we won't have the "talent".
We'll just be another team, looking up, hoping like hell we pull off some big upsets.

I don't know if Elko's the guy.
But I don't know that he's not, either. Not yet.
One thing for sure though, it's not something he can fix in just his first year.

Anybody assuming "we're soooo close" is completely clueless and absolutely full of *****

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So, in other words we need to "be patient"?

Sorry, that ship f'ing sailed. Elko doesn't get to say that as it's falling all deaf ears. Not his fault but he's the victim of circumstances. RC said the same followed by Fran, then Sherman, then Sumlin, and then Jimbo. Hell, go back far enough and dig through the Battlion archives and you'll find coaches as far back as Harry Stiteler saying the same thing.

So now after 7 + DECADES of being told "be patient" here we sit getting that same **** shoved down our throats, this time by yet another coach making millions. Sorry, Elmo just shutup and win. Save your excuses for the next guy, he'll probably need some also.

Just f'ing win. No more excuses.

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You can puff your chest out, play the "no excuses" tough guy, and throw as big of an "unacceptable" tantrum as you want.
It's not gonna change the things we need, or the steps involved, and it's certainly not gonna speed it up.

But if stomping your foot and throwing a fit makes you feel better, go for it.

Yawn. Reality doesn't care about your feelings.

What we need? Steps involved? Speed it up? A litany of pablum that means nothing in today's world of college football.

The bubble you lived in has popped you just don't have the ability to see it. This isn't the 80s and 90s anymore grandpa. Gone are the days you're alluding to. Coaches don't have five or six seasons to build programs anymore. Those days have gone the way of the dinosaur. Elko has three seasons..... four at a stretch to show incredible improvement. If not.... well, bye tubby.

Now, how's that for some tough guy talk? Wake up gramps.... the times they are a changing.

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W said:

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the problem is...

the fanbase has seen this movie before

and looking back...Sumlin never recovered from the November slides after the first one happened in 2014

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Just because it happened to Sumlin does not mean it will happen to Elko.

LB12Diamond said:

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Developing players statement is so overused.

So I'm seeing Texas develops players. If that's the case why was their best WR a transfer that played at Houston for two years. Why were the WRs that were there the whole time not as good as the brand new transfer? Why was the highly rated star WR not playing that just transferred out not properly developed by them?

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So you're saying we're on par with Texas regarding development? Because their best WR is a transfer? That's hilarious.

PanzerAggie06 said:

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TxAg76 said:

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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TxAg76 said:

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The fanbase here (like most other fanbases that actually give a damn) is full of overreactive idiots who really don't know what they're looking at anyway.

They just know they didn't get what they wanted, or what they think they "deserve", and they kick and scream like infants because of it.

That's a big part of the problem with fanbase perception. There's a huge disconnect across the board about how "talented" this team really is, and what our record "should" be, relative to said "talent"…..versus what it actually is.

Do we have some talent? Yeah, in a few spots.
Do we have championship caliber talent across the board, with quality depth right behind them? Hell no, not even close.

But the recruiting stars, OMG don't you remember all the recruiting stars??
That #1 class was fools gold. Most of em are gone anyway, so I'm not sure why it keeps getting brought up. Bad fits, several bad apples….just bad in a lot of aspects.
As for others, our previous regimes since we've joined the SEC were severely lacking when it comes to DEVELOPING players into NFL caliber prospects. Something Saban made a priority.

But the "talent composite", look at that talent composite! That doesn't mean **** if they're not improving. Because the elite competition we wanna beat, those rosters ARE improving, whereas ours historically just remained mostly stagnant.

Michigan won it all last year. Gutted out the ups and downs with Harbaugh, and it paid off.
The numbers that matter (relative to "talent" levels) are very telling.
That season, plus the 4 years leading up, they created/developed a roster that put 45 players into NFL Draft. Forty ****ing five.

What did we produce in that same timeframe? Only 17.
Yeah, they damn near tripled us up. Very telling.

More ammo? UGA had 49. Bama had 46.
Again, we did 17.

Ok, so let's talk t.u. Make jokes about Sark if you want, but he's building something over there.
Last year they put in 11. We did 4.
This year they prob do 10+ again. We'll likely do 3.

Until this changes, and until we can also push 10+ with some consistency, we won't have the "talent".
We'll just be another team, looking up, hoping like hell we pull off some big upsets.

I don't know if Elko's the guy.
But I don't know that he's not, either. Not yet.
One thing for sure though, it's not something he can fix in just his first year.

Anybody assuming "we're soooo close" is completely clueless and absolutely full of *****

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So, in other words we need to "be patient"?

Sorry, that ship f'ing sailed. Elko doesn't get to say that as it's falling all deaf ears. Not his fault but he's the victim of circumstances. RC said the same followed by Fran, then Sherman, then Sumlin, and then Jimbo. Hell, go back far enough and dig through the Battlion archives and you'll find coaches as far back as Harry Stiteler saying the same thing.

So now after 7 + DECADES of being told "be patient" here we sit getting that same **** shoved down our throats, this time by yet another coach making millions. Sorry, Elmo just shutup and win. Save your excuses for the next guy, he'll probably need some also.

Just f'ing win. No more excuses.

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You can puff your chest out, play the "no excuses" tough guy, and throw as big of an "unacceptable" tantrum as you want.
It's not gonna change the things we need, or the steps involved, and it's certainly not gonna speed it up.

But if stomping your foot and throwing a fit makes you feel better, go for it.







Yawn. Reality doesn't care about your feelings.

What we need? Steps involved? Speed it up? A litany of pablum that means nothing in today's world of college football.

The bubble you lived in has popped you just don't have the ability to see it. This isn't the 80s and 90s anymore grandpa. Gone are the days you're alluding to. Coaches don't have five or six seasons to build programs anymore. Those days have gone the way of the dinosaur. Elko has three seasons..... four at a stretch to show incredible improvement. If not.... well, bye tubby.

Now, how's that for some tough guy talk? Wake up gramps.... the times they are a changing.

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76 isn't my class year….so I'm not young, but I'm not gramps yet either…but hopefully one day.

My feelings are fine, but yours sure do seem triggered, sparky. You gonna be ok?

When did I ever say we'd need "five or six seasons to build a program"? That's right, I didn't.

I agree with 3 to 4 seasons to show noticeable improvement, so let's just stick with that and forget the jackass tone and the rest of your prior post

TxAg76 said:

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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TxAg76 said:

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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TxAg76 said:

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The fanbase here (like most other fanbases that actually give a damn) is full of overreactive idiots who really don't know what they're looking at anyway.

They just know they didn't get what they wanted, or what they think they "deserve", and they kick and scream like infants because of it.

That's a big part of the problem with fanbase perception. There's a huge disconnect across the board about how "talented" this team really is, and what our record "should" be, relative to said "talent"…..versus what it actually is.

Do we have some talent? Yeah, in a few spots.
Do we have championship caliber talent across the board, with quality depth right behind them? Hell no, not even close.

But the recruiting stars, OMG don't you remember all the recruiting stars??
That #1 class was fools gold. Most of em are gone anyway, so I'm not sure why it keeps getting brought up. Bad fits, several bad apples….just bad in a lot of aspects.
As for others, our previous regimes since we've joined the SEC were severely lacking when it comes to DEVELOPING players into NFL caliber prospects. Something Saban made a priority.

But the "talent composite", look at that talent composite! That doesn't mean **** if they're not improving. Because the elite competition we wanna beat, those rosters ARE improving, whereas ours historically just remained mostly stagnant.

Michigan won it all last year. Gutted out the ups and downs with Harbaugh, and it paid off.
The numbers that matter (relative to "talent" levels) are very telling.
That season, plus the 4 years leading up, they created/developed a roster that put 45 players into NFL Draft. Forty ****ing five.

What did we produce in that same timeframe? Only 17.
Yeah, they damn near tripled us up. Very telling.

More ammo? UGA had 49. Bama had 46.
Again, we did 17.

Ok, so let's talk t.u. Make jokes about Sark if you want, but he's building something over there.
Last year they put in 11. We did 4.
This year they prob do 10+ again. We'll likely do 3.

Until this changes, and until we can also push 10+ with some consistency, we won't have the "talent".
We'll just be another team, looking up, hoping like hell we pull off some big upsets.

I don't know if Elko's the guy.
But I don't know that he's not, either. Not yet.
One thing for sure though, it's not something he can fix in just his first year.

Anybody assuming "we're soooo close" is completely clueless and absolutely full of *****

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So, in other words we need to "be patient"?

Sorry, that ship f'ing sailed. Elko doesn't get to say that as it's falling all deaf ears. Not his fault but he's the victim of circumstances. RC said the same followed by Fran, then Sherman, then Sumlin, and then Jimbo. Hell, go back far enough and dig through the Battlion archives and you'll find coaches as far back as Harry Stiteler saying the same thing.

So now after 7 + DECADES of being told "be patient" here we sit getting that same **** shoved down our throats, this time by yet another coach making millions. Sorry, Elmo just shutup and win. Save your excuses for the next guy, he'll probably need some also.

Just f'ing win. No more excuses.

---

You can puff your chest out, play the "no excuses" tough guy, and throw as big of an "unacceptable" tantrum as you want.
It's not gonna change the things we need, or the steps involved, and it's certainly not gonna speed it up.

But if stomping your foot and throwing a fit makes you feel better, go for it.







Yawn. Reality doesn't care about your feelings.

What we need? Steps involved? Speed it up? A litany of pablum that means nothing in today's world of college football.

The bubble you lived in has popped you just don't have the ability to see it. This isn't the 80s and 90s anymore grandpa. Gone are the days you're alluding to. Coaches don't have five or six seasons to build programs anymore. Those days have gone the way of the dinosaur. Elko has three seasons..... four at a stretch to show incredible improvement. If not.... well, bye tubby.

Now, how's that for some tough guy talk? Wake up gramps.... the times they are a changing.

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76 isn't my class year….so I'm not young, but I'm not gramps yet either…but hopefully one day.

My feelings are fine, but yours sure do seem triggered, sparky. You gonna be ok?

When did I ever say we'd need "five or six seasons to build a program"? That's right, I didn't.

I agree with 3 to 4 seasons to show noticeable improvement, so let's just stick with that and forget the jackass tone and the rest of your prior post

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Jackass tone? Damn gramps I didn't realize you were suffering from dementia and so easily forgot things. Go read your initial response to me and then we'll discuss jackass tone.

So, as you agree with me about the timeline Elko has to operate in… what exactly are you whining about? Was my verbiage damaging to your elderly sensibilities? If so, man up and quit wasting my time because I hurt your feelings.

PanzerAggie06 said:

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TxAg76 said:

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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TxAg76 said:

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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TxAg76 said:

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The fanbase here (like most other fanbases that actually give a damn) is full of overreactive idiots who really don't know what they're looking at anyway.

They just know they didn't get what they wanted, or what they think they "deserve", and they kick and scream like infants because of it.

That's a big part of the problem with fanbase perception. There's a huge disconnect across the board about how "talented" this team really is, and what our record "should" be, relative to said "talent"…..versus what it actually is.

Do we have some talent? Yeah, in a few spots.
Do we have championship caliber talent across the board, with quality depth right behind them? Hell no, not even close.

But the recruiting stars, OMG don't you remember all the recruiting stars??
That #1 class was fools gold. Most of em are gone anyway, so I'm not sure why it keeps getting brought up. Bad fits, several bad apples….just bad in a lot of aspects.
As for others, our previous regimes since we've joined the SEC were severely lacking when it comes to DEVELOPING players into NFL caliber prospects. Something Saban made a priority.

But the "talent composite", look at that talent composite! That doesn't mean **** if they're not improving. Because the elite competition we wanna beat, those rosters ARE improving, whereas ours historically just remained mostly stagnant.

Michigan won it all last year. Gutted out the ups and downs with Harbaugh, and it paid off.
The numbers that matter (relative to "talent" levels) are very telling.
That season, plus the 4 years leading up, they created/developed a roster that put 45 players into NFL Draft. Forty ****ing five.

What did we produce in that same timeframe? Only 17.
Yeah, they damn near tripled us up. Very telling.

More ammo? UGA had 49. Bama had 46.
Again, we did 17.

Ok, so let's talk t.u. Make jokes about Sark if you want, but he's building something over there.
Last year they put in 11. We did 4.
This year they prob do 10+ again. We'll likely do 3.

Until this changes, and until we can also push 10+ with some consistency, we won't have the "talent".
We'll just be another team, looking up, hoping like hell we pull off some big upsets.

I don't know if Elko's the guy.
But I don't know that he's not, either. Not yet.
One thing for sure though, it's not something he can fix in just his first year.

Anybody assuming "we're soooo close" is completely clueless and absolutely full of *****

---

So, in other words we need to "be patient"?

Sorry, that ship f'ing sailed. Elko doesn't get to say that as it's falling all deaf ears. Not his fault but he's the victim of circumstances. RC said the same followed by Fran, then Sherman, then Sumlin, and then Jimbo. Hell, go back far enough and dig through the Battlion archives and you'll find coaches as far back as Harry Stiteler saying the same thing.

So now after 7 + DECADES of being told "be patient" here we sit getting that same **** shoved down our throats, this time by yet another coach making millions. Sorry, Elmo just shutup and win. Save your excuses for the next guy, he'll probably need some also.

Just f'ing win. No more excuses.

---

You can puff your chest out, play the "no excuses" tough guy, and throw as big of an "unacceptable" tantrum as you want.
It's not gonna change the things we need, or the steps involved, and it's certainly not gonna speed it up.

But if stomping your foot and throwing a fit makes you feel better, go for it.







Yawn. Reality doesn't care about your feelings.

What we need? Steps involved? Speed it up? A litany of pablum that means nothing in today's world of college football.

The bubble you lived in has popped you just don't have the ability to see it. This isn't the 80s and 90s anymore grandpa. Gone are the days you're alluding to. Coaches don't have five or six seasons to build programs anymore. Those days have gone the way of the dinosaur. Elko has three seasons..... four at a stretch to show incredible improvement. If not.... well, bye tubby.

Now, how's that for some tough guy talk? Wake up gramps.... the times they are a changing.

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76 isn't my class year….so I'm not young, but I'm not gramps yet either…but hopefully one day.

My feelings are fine, but yours sure do seem triggered, sparky. You gonna be ok?

When did I ever say we'd need "five or six seasons to build a program"? That's right, I didn't.

I agree with 3 to 4 seasons to show noticeable improvement, so let's just stick with that and forget the jackass tone and the rest of your prior post

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Jackass tone? Damn gramps I didn't realize you were suffering from dementia and so easily forgot things. Go read your initial response to me and then we'll discuss jackass tone.

So, as you agree with me about the timeline Elko has to operate in… what exactly are you whining about? Was my verbiage damaging to your elderly sensibilities? If so, man up and quit wasting my time because I hurt your feelings.

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Yeah, jackass tone. Still got it too

So much fun to read these posts. The delusional versus the despondent, EVERY SINGLE YEAR.

TxAg76 said:

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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TxAg76 said:

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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TxAg76 said:

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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TxAg76 said:

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The fanbase here (like most other fanbases that actually give a damn) is full of overreactive idiots who really don't know what they're looking at anyway.

They just know they didn't get what they wanted, or what they think they "deserve", and they kick and scream like infants because of it.

That's a big part of the problem with fanbase perception. There's a huge disconnect across the board about how "talented" this team really is, and what our record "should" be, relative to said "talent"…..versus what it actually is.

Do we have some talent? Yeah, in a few spots.
Do we have championship caliber talent across the board, with quality depth right behind them? Hell no, not even close.

But the recruiting stars, OMG don't you remember all the recruiting stars??
That #1 class was fools gold. Most of em are gone anyway, so I'm not sure why it keeps getting brought up. Bad fits, several bad apples….just bad in a lot of aspects.
As for others, our previous regimes since we've joined the SEC were severely lacking when it comes to DEVELOPING players into NFL caliber prospects. Something Saban made a priority.

But the "talent composite", look at that talent composite! That doesn't mean **** if they're not improving. Because the elite competition we wanna beat, those rosters ARE improving, whereas ours historically just remained mostly stagnant.

Michigan won it all last year. Gutted out the ups and downs with Harbaugh, and it paid off.
The numbers that matter (relative to "talent" levels) are very telling.
That season, plus the 4 years leading up, they created/developed a roster that put 45 players into NFL Draft. Forty ****ing five.

What did we produce in that same timeframe? Only 17.
Yeah, they damn near tripled us up. Very telling.

More ammo? UGA had 49. Bama had 46.
Again, we did 17.

Ok, so let's talk t.u. Make jokes about Sark if you want, but he's building something over there.
Last year they put in 11. We did 4.
This year they prob do 10+ again. We'll likely do 3.

Until this changes, and until we can also push 10+ with some consistency, we won't have the "talent".
We'll just be another team, looking up, hoping like hell we pull off some big upsets.

I don't know if Elko's the guy.
But I don't know that he's not, either. Not yet.
One thing for sure though, it's not something he can fix in just his first year.

Anybody assuming "we're soooo close" is completely clueless and absolutely full of *****

---

So, in other words we need to "be patient"?

Sorry, that ship f'ing sailed. Elko doesn't get to say that as it's falling all deaf ears. Not his fault but he's the victim of circumstances. RC said the same followed by Fran, then Sherman, then Sumlin, and then Jimbo. Hell, go back far enough and dig through the Battlion archives and you'll find coaches as far back as Harry Stiteler saying the same thing.

So now after 7 + DECADES of being told "be patient" here we sit getting that same **** shoved down our throats, this time by yet another coach making millions. Sorry, Elmo just shutup and win. Save your excuses for the next guy, he'll probably need some also.

Just f'ing win. No more excuses.

---

You can puff your chest out, play the "no excuses" tough guy, and throw as big of an "unacceptable" tantrum as you want.
It's not gonna change the things we need, or the steps involved, and it's certainly not gonna speed it up.

But if stomping your foot and throwing a fit makes you feel better, go for it.







Yawn. Reality doesn't care about your feelings.

What we need? Steps involved? Speed it up? A litany of pablum that means nothing in today's world of college football.

The bubble you lived in has popped you just don't have the ability to see it. This isn't the 80s and 90s anymore grandpa. Gone are the days you're alluding to. Coaches don't have five or six seasons to build programs anymore. Those days have gone the way of the dinosaur. Elko has three seasons..... four at a stretch to show incredible improvement. If not.... well, bye tubby.

Now, how's that for some tough guy talk? Wake up gramps.... the times they are a changing.

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76 isn't my class year….so I'm not young, but I'm not gramps yet either…but hopefully one day.

My feelings are fine, but yours sure do seem triggered, sparky. You gonna be ok?

When did I ever say we'd need "five or six seasons to build a program"? That's right, I didn't.

I agree with 3 to 4 seasons to show noticeable improvement, so let's just stick with that and forget the jackass tone and the rest of your prior post

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Jackass tone? Damn gramps I didn't realize you were suffering from dementia and so easily forgot things. Go read your initial response to me and then we'll discuss jackass tone.

So, as you agree with me about the timeline Elko has to operate in… what exactly are you whining about? Was my verbiage damaging to your elderly sensibilities? If so, man up and quit wasting my time because I hurt your feelings.

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Yeah, jackass tone. Still got it too

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Sorry, hope you didn't get so upset that you made a tinkle in your Depends. I'd feel just horrible.