riverrataggie said:

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Jarrin' Jay said:

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That will not happen, ever. SEC will not agree to that, period.

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What makes you so sure of this?

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Gentleman's Agreement not to ... of course

Per Ross Perot: If you see a snake, just kill it - don't appoint a committee on snakes.

The Grinder (99) said:

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I guess my question would be, how do these things get decided?

Are we talking about keeping an intact SEC with new rules? If so, how do rules like this get made/changed? Do you need a majority of presidents? If so, I'm pretty sure ATM would be included in that

Or are we talking about an entirely new system? Like a new league? I could see the "biggest schools" having more leverage here. The dozen or so national brands could form something and invite (so to speak) the next 30 ish schools to be part of it but it might be a "take it or leave it" type situation.

I could see ATM having less leverage there. Yeah we're big and have a loyal and large fan base, but let's be real, the new league would go on without us. They could say we're a tier 2 school and get a lesser pay out than tier 1 schools

I don't know, that seems possible. Not the most likely hit possible.

I'm sure there are endless ways this could shake out.

I think the most likely is we keep the SEC and B1G intact though

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Well, A&M didn't know about tu joining until it was for all intense and purposes done.

So, there's that.

I'm sure Snakey keeps us informed and has only the best for us in mind.

OP works for cnn…clickbait…thread title is not what the article states.

TyperWoods said:

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The Grinder (99) said:

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I guess my question would be, how do these things get decided?

Are we talking about keeping an intact SEC with new rules? If so, how do rules like this get made/changed? Do you need a majority of presidents? If so, I'm pretty sure ATM would be included in that

Or are we talking about an entirely new system? Like a new league? I could see the "biggest schools" having more leverage here. The dozen or so national brands could form something and invite (so to speak) the next 30 ish schools to be part of it but it might be a "take it or leave it" type situation.

I could see ATM having less leverage there. Yeah we're big and have a loyal and large fan base, but let's be real, the new league would go on without us. They could say we're a tier 2 school and get a lesser pay out than tier 1 schools

I don't know, that seems possible. Not the most likely hit possible.

I'm sure there are endless ways this could shake out.

I think the most likely is we keep the SEC and B1G intact though

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Well, A&M didn't know about tu joining until it was for all intensive purposes done.

So, there's that.

I'm sure Snakey keeps us informed and has only the best for us in mind.

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FIFY!!!

greg.w.h said:

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93MarineHorn said:

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"Several industry sources said they expect the biggest SEC and Big Ten schools, such as Alabama, Texas, Ohio State and Michigan, to demand a bigger proportion of their conferences' television earnings when new broadcast deals are negotiated in the early 2030s -- a move that would drive another wedge between the haves and have-nots."

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"Sources expect". So, none of these schools have actually said they want more $$ based on ratings. And please enlighten me how Texas caused the demise of the SWC.

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You don't know the history of your own school?

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Yeah, UT started up a 3rd tier "network" to show crappy games and endless re-runs which caused a lot of butt hurt from Ags, but none from the Sooners.

Big difference between A&M only and the rest of the SEC. This is a nothing burger.

TyperWoods said:

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The Grinder (99) said:

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I guess my question would be, how do these things get decided?

Are we talking about keeping an intact SEC with new rules? If so, how do rules like this get made/changed? Do you need a majority of presidents? If so, I'm pretty sure ATM would be included in that

Or are we talking about an entirely new system? Like a new league? I could see the "biggest schools" having more leverage here. The dozen or so national brands could form something and invite (so to speak) the next 30 ish schools to be part of it but it might be a "take it or leave it" type situation.

I could see ATM having less leverage there. Yeah we're big and have a loyal and large fan base, but let's be real, the new league would go on without us. They could say we're a tier 2 school and get a lesser pay out than tier 1 schools

I don't know, that seems possible. Not the most likely hit possible.

I'm sure there are endless ways this could shake out.

I think the most likely is we keep the SEC and B1G intact though

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Well, A&M didn't know about tu joining until it was for all intense and purposes done.

So, there's that.

I'm sure Snakey keeps us informed and has only the best for us in mind.

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Great. You just invited the eggcorn police to this thread

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BMX Bandit said:

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the SEC as you know is it on its death bed anyway. And I don't mean the "college football is dying" line people trot out

within 10 years, vanderbilt and mississippi state won't be in the same conference or "division" as the top half of the SEC

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I'm with you. Within 10 years, college football will likely follow the NFL model and reduce down to 32-40 teams in a single laeague with a 12-14 game schedule. Teams will only play teams within that new league and TV money will be split equally like the NFL. I think this driven by the broadcasters saying they will pay more to have 16-20 high quality games each week rather than games like A&M vs New Mexico State.

What it does to the other sports is anyone's guess. Will basketball follow the same model with the same schools in which case schools like Kansas, Gonzaga, UConn and Duke are screwed? I think Kentucky would survive in that case but more because of basketball than their football program.

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I think football would be its own deal. CBB doesn't have near the fanbase that CFB does. Its biggest draw is MM which is also dependent on small schools making runs and what not for drama.

Can a school be kicked out of a conference (nothing illegal done)? Has that happened?

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Wabs said:

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And....sips now starting to destroy a 3rd conference....

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This will be the 4th conference they destroy

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What are the 4? I have SWC, Big XII, and now SEC. What one am I missing?

If Slive was still alive and even if still the commish I think the SEC expansion adding cow and OU would have happened, though it would have been done so in a much more professional and gentlemanly manner. FWIW we still should have voted No, it was going to happen anyway as 1 vote couldn't block it, we should have voted on our conscience and principles and not to present a unanimous decision. That is just the way the industry and future were going and Slive would have been in the drivers seat. At least the SEC expanded with contiguous states and didn't go across the country like the B1G did.

If there is any team in the SEC that could always get what it wants, it would be Alabama, but they historically have not been a big bully or thrown tantrums in the SEC offices. The first two SEC championship games were held at Legion Field in Birmingham, there was no objection to move it to the Georgia Dome. Pig, USC, then aTm and Mizzou entered the SEC as equal revenue partners from day one. There has never been any discussion from SEC blue bloods for unequal revenue sharing at the expense of Vandy, State, Pig, even Ole Miss.

This isn't the ACC or previous Big 12 with a bunch of no-name also ran programs. Cow is no longer the big brother to a bunch of baby sisters. There are at least 6 or 7 programs in the SEC that have better or equal history, name recognition, tv viewership, fan base, resources, etc. This is not the Big 12. Even leaving us out of the discussion, Bama, lsu, UGA, FL, UT, even Auburn, that is SIX teams that rightly, historically, factually, and in their minds are every bit the equal of or superior to cow. There is absolutely ZERO chance in hell any of them would agree to uneven revenue sharing, neither would we or Ole Miss or the rest of the SEC.

It's not only about the state you are in and the population, it is about eyeballs and viewership. How many CFB fans tune in to watch Ok. St. - Kansas, Tech - West Va., baylor - tcu, etc. prior to the Big 12 expansion which really just diluted that conference? Or now UCF - Cincy, tech - Houston? Very, very few. Conversely how many non-SEC fans or fans of other teams tune in to watch the Iron Bowl, Cocktail Party, UGA - Auburn, lsu - FL, FL - UT, UT - UGA, aTm - lsu, aTm - Bama (those games were huge), or now aTm - cow, etc., etc. Those are all HUGE games.

Unequal revenue sharing argument may hold some weight for Clemson and FSU in the ACC, the top 5 big names in the B1G, but not in the SEC.

Now this does NOT mean that in the future Vandy and State won't be on the chopping block or pushed aside as the dynamics of conferences continue to evolve. I see that as something of a separate discussion, but I can tell you from my personal feelings being 55 years old born and raised as a Bama fan but an aTm alum and 100% support and loyal to the Aggies... I don't think Ole Miss would abandon Miss. State like OU did to Ok. State. I may be wrong there. Regardless, unequal revenue sharing in the SEC is DOA, won't ever even be a topic of discussion.

Jarrin' Jay said:

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That will not happen, ever. SEC will not agree to that, period.

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The SEC will do whatever t.u. tells them to do. t.u. wanted in and the SEC said ok even knowing it would upset other schools. t.u. is told to provide names to the SEC for people throwing trash on the field during the UGA game and they provide none and the SEC says ok. We all know what will happen it just a matter of time before most of the other SEC schools find out that their opinion does not matter if it is not the same as what t.u. wants.

You're looking at this through the lens of the SEC and B1G being on par. When the ACC dies and the best pieces go to the B1G, they will be destroying the SEC in terms of revenue. This is when teams will drop any pretense of conference loyalty and start asking for whatever dollars they can get to stay competitive. This is what Texas and OU did to the big 12. It's what FSU and Clemson did to the ACC. And it will absolutely happen in the SEC in the event we start becoming a clear second place in $$$ behind the B1G

Sorry, you are wrong. It only upset ONE school, and you are still having a hard time coping with it.

If t.u. starts acting uppity and like a bull in a china shop Alabama, UT, lsu, UGA, FL will tell them to STFU and sit in the corner.

I don't think the best pieces would all go to the B1G, I think the SEC would expand to take FSU, Clemson, the Carolina and Va. schools or some combo. of them, not just letting them all go to the B1G.

TexasAggie_97 said:

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Jarrin' Jay said:

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That will not happen, ever. SEC will not agree to that, period.

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The SEC will do whatever t.u. tells them to do. t.u. wanted in and the SEC said ok even knowing it would upset other schools. t.u. is told to provide names to the SEC for people throwing trash on the field during the UGA game and they provide none and the SEC says ok. We all know what will happen it just a matter of time before most of the other SEC schools find out that their opinion does not matter if it is not the same as what t.u. wants.

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In terms of conference dynamics, the SEC had no choice. Look at the run the B1G just made on the PAC. If OU and Texas head there as well, any hope of the SEC being the dominant conference is over. This is a battle for who gets to be THE minor league when the dust all settles. If the SEC didn't take Texas and OU, there is nothing to pitch the ACC schools when that conference dies. If/when that happens, the SEC schools are going to be interviewing to join the B1G, not negotiating a merger.

Jarrin' Jay said:

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Sorry, you are wrong. It only upset ONE school, and you are still having a hard time coping with it.

If t.u. starts acting uppity and like a bull in a china shop Alabama, UT, lsu, UGA, FL will tell them to STFU and sit in the corner.

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Bartender, I'll have whatever this man is drinking. We are larger and richer than any of those schools and the SEC did not give 2 ****s what we thought so what makes you think they will care about those other schools. There is nothing they can do to remove t.u. now so they will just have to make their peace with letting the fox in to the hen house.

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but they historically have not been a big bully or thrown tantrums in the SEC offices.

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I can name 10 fan bases that adamantly disagree with this

cant believe this

CC00 said:

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Never saw this coming.....

Also as long as they view it through the viewership lens, I'm good with it.

https://www.on3.com/news/college-football-tv-ratings-most-watched-teams-2024-regular-season-revealed/

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Uh… might want to check this again at the end of the full season (not just regular)….

Jarrin' Jay said:

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I don't think the best pieces would all go to the B1G, I think the SEC would expand to take FSU, Clemson, the Carolina and Va. schools or some combo. of them, not just letting them all go to the B1G.

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I'm on the fence about which way they would go. The SEC makes a lot more sense for regional purposes, rivalries, etc. But read my post above. If the B1G can pitch them on being in the conference that eventually wins, then the SEC better be pumping just as big of a counter vision to get those schools to join us.

I tend to laugh at people saying we should leave the SEC for the B1G, but I hope the higher ups are keeping their fingers on the pulses of how ACC schools are leaning

greg.w.h said:

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greg.w.h said:

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93MarineHorn said:

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"Several industry sources said they expect the biggest SEC and Big Ten schools, such as Alabama, Texas, Ohio State and Michigan, to demand a bigger proportion of their conferences' television earnings when new broadcast deals are negotiated in the early 2030s -- a move that would drive another wedge between the haves and have-nots."

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"Sources expect". So, none of these schools have actually said they want more $$ based on ratings. And please enlighten me how Texas caused the demise of the SWC.

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You don't know the history of your own school?

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Yeah, UT started up a 3rd tier "network" to show crappy games and endless re-runs which caused a lot of butt hurt from Ags, but none from the Sooners.

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That has nothing to do with the SWC breakup. Try again.

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Please be more specific in your questions.

Again, please tell me how Texas caused the demise of the SWC. It was a one state conference that couldn't compete with the other power conferences. The creation of the Big12 was a win/win for the Big8 schools & the four Texas schools. The notion that Texas wrecked the SWC is revisionist history.

They wrecked the swc

Ask the members not invited to the big12.

Jarrin' Jay said:

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That will not happen, ever. SEC will not agree to that, period.

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People also said the SEC would never let Texas in due to the "gentleman's agreement", or whatever they called it.

All SEC schools are equal, but some are more equal than others…..

Bottlehead90 said:

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They wrecked the swc

Ask the members not invited to the big12.

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Ha! An Aggie blaming Texas for not bringing the little ones to the Big12 is hilarious. Ok, but you guys were standing next to us and cheering it on when it happened.

levypantsEOY said:

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CC00 said:

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Never saw this coming.....

Also as long as they view it through the viewership lens, I'm good with it.

https://www.on3.com/news/college-football-tv-ratings-most-watched-teams-2024-regular-season-revealed/

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Uh… might want to check this again at the end of the full season (not just regular)….

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You mean teams that play more games have more viewers????
This is everyone having played the same amount of games. It's as "apples to apples" as you can get with this.

93MarineHorn said:

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Bottlehead90 said:

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They wrecked the swc

Ask the members not invited to the big12.

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Ha! An Aggie blaming Texas for not bringing the little ones to the Big12 is hilarious. Ok, but you guys were standing next to us and cheering it on when it happened.

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Nah. Woulda been better at the time if y'all woulda gone PAC & we go SEC, leaving Lubbock and Waco to figure their stuff out in their own.

Jarrin' Jay said:

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That will not happen, ever. SEC will not agree to that, period.

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You are dead wrong

Reno Hightower said:

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93MarineHorn said:

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Bottlehead90 said:

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They wrecked the swc

Ask the members not invited to the big12.

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Ha! An Aggie blaming Texas for not bringing the little ones to the Big12 is hilarious. Ok, but you guys were standing next to us and cheering it on when it happened.

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Nah. Woulda been better at the time if y'all woulda gone PAC & we go SEC, leaving Lubbock and Waco to figure their stuff out in their own.

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If you were around back then you'd know that Ags didn't want to go to the SEC. It wasn't the power house it is today and academics still mattered.

Bottlehead90 said:

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CC00 said:

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Never saw this coming.....

Also as long as they view it through the viewership lens, I'm good with it.

https://www.on3.com/news/college-football-tv-ratings-most-watched-teams-2024-regular-season-revealed/

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Who do you think gets to decide which games get the best time slots?

This is one of the reasons we left the big12. They had to guarantee A&M money and tv time in 2011. and then tried to turn the rest of the conference against us for wanting our guaranteed money. Meanwhile tu and ou got plenty of time and money.
They only agreed to equal tv revenue after we left the big12 because they had lhn money coming in.

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Are you suggesting Texas gave us 7 night games this fall? And only 2 11:00 starts? Thanks Texas, that was sweet.

93MarineHorn said:

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Reno Hightower said:

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93MarineHorn said:

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Bottlehead90 said:

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They wrecked the swc

Ask the members not invited to the big12.

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Ha! An Aggie blaming Texas for not bringing the little ones to the Big12 is hilarious. Ok, but you guys were standing next to us and cheering it on when it happened.

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Nah. Woulda been better at the time if y'all woulda gone PAC & we go SEC, leaving Lubbock and Waco to figure their stuff out in their own.

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If you were around back then you'd know that Ags didn't want to go to the SEC. It wasn't the power house it is today and academics still mattered.

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If you went to Pac we would have gone a year earlier to SEC. Our academics still matter and we are doing a better job of meeting Lege obligations to serve top ten percent Texas high school graduates than your school.

Sips being self-serving greedy *****es surprises absolutely nobody.