SBDavis87 said:

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SBDavis87 said:

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Having aggie pumpers chime-in on football is like having your dog try to explain differential equations….
Everyone has proof they aren't smart enough to do it but they are fun to watch.

Kelvin Banks decomiited from Oregon. They "let him walk" and there must have been a reason, but t.u. didn't give a shyt so they bought him. The texags brain trust will say that our offense doesn't need another 5-star offensive tackle like haywood because we certainly didn't need Kelvin Banks, but if we keep listening to that horse hockey - it will be another 80 years before a conference title finds its way to College Station.

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You haven't watched a second of Ty Haywood tape to know what makes him a 5 star in the first place, you don't know anything about the kid. But please continue to educate all us pumpers on your GM qualifications

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I must be hallucinating i actually thought i looked at highlight video from haywood, glad you are correcting me and letting me know that "we have great OL and (wait for it) we'll be just fine". Thanks

This amount of delusion can only be joked about…

I Told My Psychiatrist That I Had Delusions That I Was A Dog

He told me to get off his couch.

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Quit rambling. Watching a kids highlights that he wants you to see isn't watching tape. I've got a bunch of stuff I can sell for an outrageous price if you are only interested in looking at the upside, let's set something up thru Facebook marketplace

There's really not much to do on this one. It's just a numbers thing now. His agent is looking for a certain number that's it.

Our coaches are focused on junior day weekends and 2016 recruiting at this time. Maybe transfers but I'm not sure if that ones closed bc school has started.

He is Ass My Dude said:

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Apparently it's hard to project 17-year-old online talent. If he is asking 5MM, or even 2.5, let some other program take the risk.

Spend it on the very best QB, be that, a 5th year Sr or a HS kid.

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We ain't gonna do that either.

Batty said:

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He currently up for the highest bidder, which last I heard was Michigan.

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This is it.

Wanted to go to Bama parents hired a agent the rest was history. When Bama said they would pay x amount of dollars they meant it. Not sure why he waited this long to decommit.They had written him off since before early signing day. Heard Michigan and it makes sense need a high price tackle to protect high priced qb. He was waiting to see what final amount on the Sanders deal with Tennessee was going to be. I don't see him getting as much considering he is raw but who knows.

Save your money go all in on Cantwell next class he will be worth it. Haywood has a big upside but no where near the complete player Cantwell is.

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Mr. Fingerbottom said:

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Lmfao

Of course we aren't interested


Maybe we can find another 5th year walkon tightend to add though

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Hypothetically speaking, if he told teams he was looking for 5MM per year, we would tell him we are not interested. It doesn't mean he isn't a take if the price came way down, it just means not worth our time based on how we valued him and we know it

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They don't get it. They think if he's an available 5 star we must do everything we can to land him. Regardless of how it affects the team.

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That's how people think when they're spending other people's money.

He is Ass My Dude said:

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Apparently it's hard to project 17-year-old oline talent. If he is asking 5MM, or even 2.5, let some other program take the risk.

Spend it on the very best QB, be that, a 5th year Sr or a HS kid.

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Even better. We got UAB's 7th year backup and stole a HS QB from <checks notes>…Tulsa.

Yes, forget about the national top 100 2026 guy that was committed to Michigan before reclassifying, who also had offers from Clemson, Florida, Notre Dame, LSU, Ohio State, Ole Miss, Oregon, Penn State, etc.

Or the guy currently committed with offers from Auburn, Oregon, Tennessee, USC, etc.

It's Tulsa and UAB caliber guys in our QB room only. Nevermind the teams would have gone HARD after Reed had he entered the portal.

beerad12man said:

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Yes, forget about the national top 100 2026 guy that was committed to Michigan before reclassifying, who also had offers from Clemson, Florida, Notre Dame, LSU, Ohio State, Ole Miss, Oregon, Penn State, etc.

Or the guy currently committed with offers from Auburn, Oregon, Tennessee, USC, etc.

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Doesn't fit the narrative

beerad12man said:

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Yes, forget about the national top 100 2026 guy that was committed to Michigan before reclassifying, who also had offers from Clemson, Florida, Notre Dame, LSU, Ohio State, Ole Miss, Oregon, Penn State, etc.

Or the guy currently committed with offers from Auburn, Oregon, Tennessee, USC, etc.

It's Tulsa and UAB caliber guys in our QB room only. Nevermind the teams would have gone HARD after Reed had he entered the portal.

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That guy weighs less than Reed soaking wet. Other guy is a year from stepping on campus. We saw how that worked out with Longstreet.

Cool? That's why he's a redshirt and a minimum of 2 years from starting.

And we also saw how it worked 25/27 commitments Elko did take. We had 27 total commitments under Elko, and 2 decommitted. I'll take those odds.

But again, paint the worst picture possible. To each their own. But I'll never understand that mentality as a fan.

beerad12man said:

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But again, paint the worst picture possible. To each their own. But I'll never understand that mentality as a fan.

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I believe it is all about protecting themselves from getting let down.

beerad12man said:

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And we also saw how it worked 25/27 commitments Elko did take. We had 27 total commitments under Elko, and 2 decommitted. I'll take those odds.

But again, paint the worst picture possible. To each their own. But I'll never understand that mentality as a fan.

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I can't understand pumping so much sunshine on these boards for the last 10+ years with so few skins on the wall to show for it (and you've been one of the BIGGEST pumpers through multiple coaching regimes) but as you said, to each their own. I'll never understand that mentality either.

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Cool? That's why he's a redshirt and a minimum of 2 years from starting.

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Dangerous game to play these days. Top QB recruits these days expect to start year 1 or they pack their bags and leave.

Ive got a 1970 Pontiac GTO Judge original owner that Ill take "ONE MILLION DOLLARS" for

RC was saying the same thing back in the 90's about the athletic facilities; he couldn't recruit with other major programs without a major update. What was the response from the former students? We aren't going to update, players should want to come to A&M without all the incentives. How late to the party were we by the time we updated everything? By that time, every major program had exactly the same upgrades.

Now in the advent of NIL, are we going to be late to the party again because the first time we used it we got burned?

We need to ante up and pay these 5* players, or we are going to be left behind again.

Again that's not how it works. You don't just pay them because they are a 5 star.

That's exactly what Jimbo did. You evaluate the player and his cost to determine if he's worth it.

To add to my previous statement. Lets say you assign a numerical values to the star rankings. I ised rough estimates of 247 player rankings to come up with this. Out of 10 the ranks would go

5 star: 10-9.9
4 star: 9.8-8.8
3 star: 8.7-1.7


Hypothetically speaking, why would you spend $1M for a 9.9 when you can get a 9.8 for $250K?

Obviously there has to be some evaluation, but someone is going to pay them. Look at the teams that are paying them now: tu, Ohio State, Georgia, Alabama, Oregon LSU. I don't think we can "'moneyball" our way to a national championship, or conference championship.

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beerad12man said:

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And we also saw how it worked 25/27 commitments Elko did take. We had 27 total commitments under Elko, and 2 decommitted. I'll take those odds.

But again, paint the worst picture possible. To each their own. But I'll never understand that mentality as a fan.

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I can't understand pumping so much sunshine on these boards for the last 10+ years with so few skins on the wall to show for it (and you've been one of the BIGGEST pumpers through multiple coaching regimes) but as you said, to each their own. I'll never understand that mentality either.

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I can't understand having a problem with pumping (lets say he is). It's sport. We are fans. We will get them next year! You guys are insufferable. Do you even like the game? I love watching sports and the Aggies in particular. Yes, I get frustrated too. But I have a real short memory and will be gung-ho the very next week (and salivating at the start of the next year.) I LOVE IT.

Why does it matter so much to you? Do you think pumping actually impacts the team one way or another? I will probably buy tickets and jerseys etc. every year I can, regardless. So what? Im an enabler? We will never win a natty because fans continue to be fanatical? Get out of here with that mess...

Thought this thread was about the tight end from Berkeley, Haywood Jablome

agchugger said:

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beerad12man said:

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And we also saw how it worked 25/27 commitments Elko did take. We had 27 total commitments under Elko, and 2 decommitted. I'll take those odds.

But again, paint the worst picture possible. To each their own. But I'll never understand that mentality as a fan.

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I can't understand pumping so much sunshine on these boards for the last 10+ years with so few skins on the wall to show for it (and you've been one of the BIGGEST pumpers through multiple coaching regimes) but as you said, to each their own. I'll never understand that mentality either.

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If we get him, that would be great as our lines are definitely our biggest weaknesses.

Doubt we will. Michigan, Oregon, Ohio St, Texas, etc will prioritize the linemen and will spend to get them. Not sure if we are really committed to building the best lines anymore (that was Jimbo's biggest goal. He got it for the DL and built up the OL but it fell apart in the NIL era).

Not sure if we threw in the white flag, of we are cash strapped or if we are simply throwing away money. We definitely haven't made any notable moves in upgrading our capabilities (coordinators, talents, etc). Seems to be in a decline actually.

I'm reading that Michigan is starting to throw enormous amounts of money around. They have at least 10 alumni who are mega billionaires and several are deeply involved in their sports programs. This does not include Larry Ellison, who is not a Michigan alumni, but who is giving a ton of money to their NIL efforts.

Stands to reason with Michigan. They have Penn state & Ohio State in the same conference and are in close proximity with Notre Dame. They can ill afford to fall behind these three programs. College football recruiting has become a financial free for all.

agchugger said:

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beerad12man said:

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And we also saw how it worked 25/27 commitments Elko did take. We had 27 total commitments under Elko, and 2 decommitted. I'll take those odds.

But again, paint the worst picture possible. To each their own. But I'll never understand that mentality as a fan.

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I can't understand pumping so much sunshine on these boards for the last 10+ years with so few skins on the wall to show for it (and you've been one of the BIGGEST pumpers through multiple coaching regimes) but as you said, to each their own. I'll never understand that mentality either.

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I predicted 8-4 last year. I predicted 8-4 in 2023 (missed it by a game). I am predicting between 7-5 and 8-4 for 2025. But yeah, total sunshine pumper.

In the last 10 years, I have wanted to fire Sumlin after 3 separate seasons. I wanted to fire Fisher after 2023, but knew we wouldn't.

To posters like yourself, if you aren't miserable every step of the way and on damn near every post, you are a pumper. If you want to actually enjoy the process, you are just a pumper. Even if you do point out many concerns, question marks, 8-4 predictions, etc., along the way. Just simply not being miserable makes me one of the biggest pumpers according to posters like yourself. Think about that.

This board is a cesspool of misery, so being called a pumper isn't even an insult. Hell, in real life, some of my fellow Ags say I am the most pessimistic and cynical they know. Pointing out match up issues pre-game, worries about the roster, recruiting, etc. Just shows you what kind of people are actually on this board when some see me as a perpetual sunshine pumper for 10 years. If only you talked to me in real life, it wouldn't even come close to that feeling.

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beerad12man said:

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Cool? That's why he's a redshirt and a minimum of 2 years from starting.

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Dangerous game to play these days. Top QB recruits these days expect to start year 1 or they pack their bags and leave.

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He's 16 and enrolling a year and a half early. He has no intentions of starting this fall in what should be his SR year of HS.

Bingo

We passed on Haywood (at his price) a long time ago. Went all in on Rogers who we like more. But again, just pointing that out on this board is considering sunshine pumping.

We have about 3 five star OL we are in on in 2026. All will be tough lands, but all guys we like better than Haywood if we are going to spend that money. We have 10 FR and RFR on the OL now, 7 of which are 4 star or better prospects.

Our OL pipeline is not where you overspend value for a guy you don't think is as good as his 5 star ranking / price, at least not a guy that would be likely to play for 2+ years as Haywood is more of a down the road guy. Maybe we are off in our evaluation of him, but like you said, evaluations do matter. Coaches absolutely can and do make mistakes and miscalculations.

If we are going to overspend right now, it better be at DT and WR in the spring portal window. Tamper with rosters, that's how you win more games this fall. Not an 11th FR OL on the roster for 2025 that we value closer to a mid 4 star from what I gather. Good player, not on the level of Rogers or Fasusi who we both would have paid more for, Fasusi just didn't want in.

Losing creates the cesspool of misery.

MagnumLoad said:

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Losing creates the cesspool of misery.

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This. It seems some are just more ok with mediocrity than others.

beerad12man said:

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We passed on Haywood (at his price) a long time ago. Went all in on Rogers who we like more. But again, just pointing that out on this board is considering sunshine pumping.

We have about 3 five star OL we are in on in 2026. All will be tough lands, but all guys we like better than Haywood if we are going to spend that money. We have 10 FR and RFR on the OL now, 7 of which are 4 star or better prospects.

Our OL pipeline is not where you overspend value for a guy you don't think is as good as his 5 star ranking / price, at least not a guy that would be likely to play for 2+ years as Haywood is more of a down the road guy. Maybe we are off in our evaluation of him, but like you said, evaluations do matter. Coaches absolutely can and do make mistakes and miscalculations.

If we are going to overspend right now, it better be at DT and WR in the spring portal window. Tamper with rosters, that's how you win more games this fall. Not an 11th FR OL on the roster for 2025 that we value closer to a mid 4 star from what I gather. Good player, not on the level of Rogers or Fasusi who we both would have paid more for, Fasusi just didn't want in.

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I was writing more in generalities regarding why we should be paying for the 5* and high 4* players, not specifically Haywood himself as an OT, but also comparing it to when in the mid 90's RC Slocum was trying to convince fundraisers to update our athletic facilities. They were way too late in updating the facilities that RC starting getting out recruited by t.u. and OU and this ultimately cost him his job. The most successful coach in the history of Texas A&M football. We can see some parallels between what happened then and NIL, right?

Now if Ohio State, Michigan, Alabama, t.u. Georgia, and Oregon are getting/paying for players that are almost "turn key" good from the start, that do not require as much time for development, then we should be aiming for that also. Good luck with that, right?

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/43702947/five-star-ot-ty-haywood-caps-strong-michigan-recruiting-class

Posters on this thread crack me up. "Nah we don't want him.. he's just going to highest bidder…"
HELLO??!! That's every single recruit in 2025! It's 100% about money, both now (NIL) and down the road (NFL).

Y'all think these kids pick Elko because they like maroon, yell practice, and fried jalapeños at the Dixie Chicken?

Pumpers are always going to pump- they hide behind labeling those with doubts about the program as misery revelers. Facts and results don't matter because they are "good Ags."


Update: i want DC bottle caps for lunch now.