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Please explain the demise of the yell leaders to me.

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@Boomer#85 you're talking about 40 years ago. We're both old enough to have grandkids now; yes, things change. The population of the state of Texas has doubled since 1985, so has A&M's enrollment. We have to compete for recruits nationally like never before, and every game in the SEC is competitive. I'm not finding data on football revenue in 1985, but we can estimate that it was MUCH less than today. Bottom line, college football is a significant business now and decisions will continue to be made to maximize revenue. If a DJ drives more revenue and better recruiting / more wins, than dudes in overalls, then that's what's going to happen. I don't know any business today that is the same as 40 years ago.

As for practicing with the football team, back in 1939 an offensive lineman's Average height: 6 feet, 0 inches, Average weight: 215 pounds. I don't think any untrained A&M student belongs in practice with OL today Average height: 6 feet, 5 inches, Average weight: 315 pounds.
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Ag Tag said:

Rebbasser said:

Shows how times change. Dates ALWAYS got a mum and if a young lady had a date with a uniform she wore a dress and really dressed up. No longer.

I'm just glad we didn't have smart phones back then to "immortalize" some of the stuff we did back then. Today we would not only be expelled but probably face criminal charges for things like quadding, steam showers, and don't even mention axe handles!
I don't know what those terms mean.


IYACYAS
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Boomer#85 said:

I'm class of 85 and a former CT. In my day yell leaders did not look like pretty boys walking the streets of Montrose. Yell leaders actually did push ups on the 50 yard line during the beginning of yell practice. The majority of them were contract fighters. Those odd little pushups they do now took really ******ed.

During the "joke" portion of yell practice, the raising of the leg was supposed to be a reenactment of the days when yell practices were held on the steps of the YMCA building and it represented walking up the steps.

ALSO, I remember in the olden days yelling throughout the entire game. We did yells all game long and we were hoarse leaving the game.

I realize this is the millionth thread on this, but it's honestly just painfully sad how lame the yell leaders have become and make no mistake, I am all for yell leaders.

Also in my day, the head yell leader would practice with the football team the week before school started, pads and all. The yell leaders were pretty tough in my day, compared to the soy boys that are currently doing the job.

Finally I really wish the current student body would do yells properly, again discussed on this site millions of times.

Just curious, wtf is the deal during the War Hymn when they shout "YOU!" after singing "the eyes of texas are upon you?"


One last complaint I have, for f#ck sake, it's t.u. not TU!

They were always lame
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Just be happy New Army wants cheerleaders and Mo Bamba. Sips students want Marxism, gender affirming care, and universal basic income.

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What's happening today is the inevitable result of a decades long organized effort to limit participation in A&M's traditions to a tiny minority of the student body. If you keep telling people they are not acceptable as representatives of tradition, it's only a matter of time until they stop caring about the traditions, and that appears to be what has happened. Apparently, many students don't see yell leaders as anything more than an embarrassing side show, and sadly, the Yell Leaders seem to have accepted that characterization as their fate. "Five for Yell" seems to have brought on a different type of candidate: not the gung ho jock who bowls you over with his enthusiasm and aggressiveness, but the glad handing politician who thinks this will look good on his resume. A lot of things have changed as A&M transitions from being a respected institution of high learning to little more than an oversized diploma mill, but many of the most galling changes are the result not being willing to change just a little bit along the way.
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I blame the abortion that is fish camp.
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Generally speaking, I don't mind the yell leaders.
But somebody's gotta get control of it, including the stupid **** they say nowadays, and the stupid **** they're doing as of late.

It's ok to be unique. Encouraged, even.
But it's another thing to act and speak like a pack of idiots.
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Dp
HJack20
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I think a lot of the problem with the yells is the DJ. So much time between plays is filled with music now. The default is music, not yells.
I don't necessarily view this is a bad thing though; it's just the sport/student body changing over the years.
I graduated a few years ago, and my voice would be shot after most games haha.
rsemingson
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The new army yell leaders could star in a Peter Pan movie. That is all. Over and out from old Army.
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@HJack20, when you're driving in your car or getting ready to play your favorite sport, do you choose to listen to a few favorite songs and maybe dance and sing, or do you slowly count down, bend over, and chant? I'm just curious what's more fun to you.
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Hank the Grifter said:

Boomer#85 said:

Bluecat_Aggie94 said:

I arrived on campus and was attending games for several years before that. They haven't done real pushups once.
Unfortunately yes I did. What makes it worse is that the advisor with them was my fish buddy who I had known since Jr High School, the late Rusty Thompson. Great guy, great Aggie, but what a mistake that was.

Regarding the football thugs and Sully, that was the straw that broke the camels back for me. I love being an Aggie. I identify as an Aggie, but after that incident it was clear to me that the values I was taught as a cadet in the early 80's are no long taught at TAMU.
I will never donate to the university again. That season was the first time I didn't pull for the Aggies. I give to the Rudder Association only.
The university is a shell of what it once was. You youngsters don't know what it was like back in the 80's.
You bought your date a mum for every home game as every home game is a homecoming. Girls dressed up for games. The band played loud throughout the game. It is different in a very negative way now. TAMU is now the University of Texas in College Station. That makes this old Ag very sad.

&ct=g

Thanks for reminding me why i will not renew this year

ps, is not why You think.

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I'm class of 99 and all those things irritate me except loud music.
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Counterpoint

Any grown person who is embarrassed by the actions of 21 year olds needs to toughen up and just not worry about it. Find something more important to care about.
Tree Hugger
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The lady sitting behind me at Neyland in 2023 asked me what the deal was with the guys in white dancing around the sideline in front of the band.

I explained the yell leader thing and she said OK, but they look pretty goofy.
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They started acting like fairies. Look no further than the recent video with yell leaders though out the years. Roy May looks like a clown
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panhandlefarmer said:

I blame the abortion that is fish camp.

Fish Camp was a joke when I went in 09, I can only imagine what it's like now
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DenverAggie said:

@theratt87, are you talking about one of the decades where we played 1 or 0 competitive home games per year in the SWC?

As opposed to the decade of consistently losing at home to powerhouses like Miss St, Ole Miss, Mizzou, Auburn, and App State while in the SEC??
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I feel like people have this view of a time when yell leaders were not goofy.

It literally started as a way to haze fish. And has always been goofy as hell from day 1.
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@TheRatt87, I'm not doing the math for you on the competitiveness of the SWC back in the day vs SEC today, but you'll figure it out eventually.
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"Regarding the football thugs and Sully, that was the straw that broke the camels back for me. I love being an Aggie. I identify as an Aggie, but after that incident it was clear to me that the values I was taught as a cadet in the early 80's are no long taught at TAMU."


That was because we had Jimbo as our coach at the time. He stated clearly that he didn't coach character or conduct. That's one big reason why he was a bad hire. I don't think that incident would have happened before or since Jimbo.
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Drum5343 said:

Exhibit A why rooks should not be able to start threads.


I have seen threads started by people who have been on this board for years that are so much worse - truly stupid.
TXAGBQ76
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Isn't that pretty every topic on TexAgs?
TXAGBQ76
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Imagine what the 50's, 60's and 70's Yell Leaders must think about the 80', 90's and later ones look/act like
Divining Rod
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TombstoneTex said:

OP probably pissed about the size of the student body increasing... not teaching cursive in school anymore... music being too loud... things that require an app.... and wants kids to stay off his yard...


Hmmmm. Check...Check...Check...Check....and....Check!
AgMD90
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Don't forget Perry and his buddy McKinney had a lot to do with expanding the student body.
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I graduated in 2008 and I don't know a single person from my time at A&M that isn't embarrassed of the yell leaders.

I would guess my group text that talks a&m sports probably has one instance per football game where we talk about how dumb the yell leaders are for something that was shown on tv.

I agree with the guy that said they are like what someone who wanted to make fun of yell leaders would create.

I still love Aggie sports but will never understand wanting the most visual part of our school to be a bunch of milk man looking dudes dancing and shaking around
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Some of you old AG's need to spend some time in Cushing library. Go to the second floor reference desk and ask them for the yell leader books and files. Then spend the next few days learning about the history of yell leaders, yells, and the changes over time. Yells and traditions change over time and adapt to fit the needs and wants of current society

Your 80s version of yell leaders would shock and dismay those from the 20s


I mean why did we ever stop using the yell Lizzie?

Rah! Rah! Rah!
Is my hat on straight?
Lend me your powder rag,
Sweet cherry phosphate!
1! 2! 3!
Son-o-a-gun
Lizzie!

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Begin with not twirling around and doing a butterfly dance during yells. Once that is done, stop doing the knee behind the calf, folded arms jerky hip pump.

We can then move on to eliminating the lame ass rock stories.
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Eh games are so heavily scripted not during TOs the yell leaders are told when they can lead a yell.
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Though I suspect that zero effs are given, if anyone wants to know what the rest of the world thought/thinks, here's the guess of a guy who's been in this state watching college football for a LONG time.

Back in my day of being an opposing fan (mid-80s) there was a feeling that even if the Aggies sucked, they had a fighting chance against you if the game was at Kyle Field. It was one of those deals where you went into it thinking "We've got the better team, but those damned Aggies are nuts. Their fans are like rabid dogs and those damned yell leaders are constantly at it."

The guys were all pretty big as I recall. I don't think I'd have wanted to mess with them. I mean, we all made fun of it, and thought not having cheerleaders was pretty gay, but it was a thing, and it set you apart and you ran with it. I can recall watching those guys start some damned chant, then they'd do that thing that looks like guns up, and every effing Aggie in the stands would holler the exact same thing at the exact same time, and it was pretty intimidating. They were actually "Yell" leaders. We always did the whole "Ahhh look, they have to be told when to cheer and what to cheer. They're a bunch of damned sheep," but honestly, it was pretty damned impressive, and the guys were the crux of it. You always thought that those guys were probably the kind of guys who were going to be the first at the office, the last to leave, worked out every day, mowed their yards like bosses, married the prettiest chick, and eventually ran the world.

Pretty much now they're all ass-pirates. They literally dance around like a bunch of nancies. What's with all that jazz hands ***** All the videos of them on the internet are disturbing. I'm pretty sure at least 3 of the 5 swing both ways. They're nothing more than a chorus line, flitting around. Nobody is afraid of going to Kyle Field, and I really think the pussification of the yell leaders and the student body in general is why.

When I was a kid everyone at A&M was an Aggie. Like the whole "Aggie thing" or not as an outsider, at least you had to respect that you didn't go to A&M if you didn't want to be an Aggie. Was it different? Yeah. Was it my thing? No. But were the people there committed? You're damned right. That's why they had the term 2%er. About 2% of the student body was not an AGGIE.

Now everyone there is just a "Texas A&M student". There are very few, if any, Aggies like they existed in my day. "Aggie" is a dead species, and that's just sad. I mean, don't get me wrong, I want y'all to lose every game you ever play in every sport you ever try, but for ****'s sake, at least don't just be another generic college. Be the Aggies we al learned to know and hate. Now you're just another state school. You might as well be Tech. I think the yell leaders and their gayification are a big part of that.

If that's what you want to represent your school, you might as well put them in pink. The old guys, from my day, were doing something different than the rest of the college football world, and everyone thought it was a little weird, but they were badasses and leaders of men (and women), and you knew they were going to go down swinging, doing their job to keep their fans in the game and their spirit alive.

This **** you have out there now is a cabaret act more appropriate for the rainbow sections of 6th Street than for a college football game.

You know the world has gone to **** when even A&M has gone nancy.
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Nice sock post, but 100% accurate.
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Well $#!t. I was a yell leader in 06-07. Looks like I have been outed as the instigating culprit to, as y'all say, "the gayness"
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My ding ding dong
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TrueAgg13 said:

Well $#!t. I was a yell leader in 06-07. Looks like I have been outed as the instigating culprit to, as y'all say, "the gayness"
Are you willing to share the sideline with cheerleaders or incorporate women as yell leaders?
 
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