Mr. Fingerbottom said:

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Pretty obvious there's an agenda when the same 3 part sequence happens over & over...

Horrendous call to keep chiefs drive alive, pass to Travis kelce w him dancing, TVs jump to swifty w her bff Wokey wnba


Quite a business model, Disney

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So true


Week after week

But how do you explain the dominance of the defense ?

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You. Live in a corrupt society were even any game is already been decided by paid officials, tv contracts and big money! The head of any league is paid for big tv contract's kick bacsks! 3rd world USA one wolld order.

AggieMD95 said:

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Mr. Fingerbottom said:

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Pretty obvious there's an agenda when the same 3 part sequence happens over & over...

Horrendous call to keep chiefs drive alive, pass to Travis kelce w him dancing, TVs jump to swifty w her bff Wokey wnba


Quite a business model, Disney

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So true


Week after week

But how do you explain the dominance of the defense ?

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Chiefs defense is great... their offense is great... it's one of the greatest teams of all time

I'm not suggesting the Texans definitely win the game if it's officiated fairly... would've been nice to see a fair game played though

I wouldn't say the Texans dominated the game.They did have a few big plays though. KC harassed their QB all day long, their special teams gave away points, stupid penalties and breakdowns on defense cost them the game. When it's all said and done, the most remembered highlight of the Texans is when their guy threw his helmet and then bum rushed his coach.

It is obvious the scores are usually close, celebrities are in the boxes, and the NFL pretends to save America from all her woes. It is a bad novel written for the masses. In the words of Upton Sinclair " It had for a person to believe something when their salary is based on them not believing it." The sports media world cannot tell you the truth.

dreyOO said:

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GrapevineAg said:

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Texans gave away 10 pts on special teams- missed FG, missed PAT, blocked FG, and the opening kick return and penalty.

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All true. I'm far from a Texans apologist.

However, the refs totally f-d the Texans also with some penalties on Mahomes that weren't penalties. It got to the point that Mahomes was flopping like LeBron on the way out of bounds. I like that kid, but that was pathetic.

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I think the announcers mentioned that blocked FG had defenders off-sides but again, refs didn't call it.

It is quite hilarious a vapid automaton controlled by Big Music is leading the NFL and whichever media partner is broadcasting the Chiefs around by sacks.

If you really think the game is fixed, why do you bother to watch?

RKW said:

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You. Live in a corrupt society were even any game is already been decided by paid officials, tv contracts and big money! The head of any league is paid for big tv contract's kick bacsks! 3rd world USA one wolld order.

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People that really believe this BS, use the "corruption/ favoritism " schtick as a ready made excuse for losing.

NyAggie said:

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Frag said:

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The NFL is not a competition. It's entertainment only. They can't afford to completely make it transparent like the WWF, but don't be fooled. It's closer to the WWF than it is true competition.

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Starting to feel that way for all sports, professional or college

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The essence of the problem comes back to the need for rules and, in turn, for refereeing. Perfect enforcement of rules creating Taleb's Ludic Fallacy, which makes for boring viewing and, more crucially, constantly reminds people that they're witnessing a wholly contrived simulation of whatever deeper need they find that sports fulfills (e.g. I believe sports is a stand-in for mortal combat of various forms).

So the alternative, to keep things aligned with the viewer's deeper needs, is to give into imperfect enforcement, and let things like participants' personas (Montana to Rice), teams' past narratives (domers), and even sheer collective emotion (sips throwing trash on the field) corrupt the outcomes. In this way, you're effectively rewriting the rulebook and saying "a touchdown is when the ball breaks the plane of the goal line UNLESS a) more than 75% of the observers agree it's a great story if it were to be rule a touchdown, b) a water bottle sails within 2 feet of an official's head in the previous 5 minutes of game play, etc."

Once you open that pandora's box, OF COURSE the big money players are going to get their fingers in the pie. And soon enough, their clauses in the effective unless clauses above will rise to the highest priority. And sure enough the effects of this is exactly what makes the difference between a "blueblood" program (sip) making it to yet another CFB semifinal and a "flash in the pan" (ASU) falling short because "they just don't have the winning tradition."

IMO the solution is to build robot officiation and add ~100 cameras to cover every angle. Cameras are very cheap these days and we're pretty close with AI technology. I am sure that the big money interests would fight this tooth and nail, but without it, all but the top 5-10% of every sports league will be perpetually locked out of the elite circle. If the fandom of the lower 90%-95% are dumb enough to accept this (looking in the mirror), they deserve to wear airbrushed WWE tshirts with pride.

I'm so tired of the missed calls and incorrect calls on things that are OBJECTIVE-a person is either off sides or not; the defender either got the facemask or not; it is either delay of game when the clock runs out or not. THOSE items could definitely be called by robots/camera etc. How many times does the replay show a player had his face mask pulled, but no flag (or they were flagged when he did NOT get the mask). If you eliminated those bad calls/no calls, the game would be much improved. Oh, and the Kansas City Right Tackle leaves early, and is not lined up legally on nearly every play. Officials were strict about that early in the season, but have totally let it go.

Teams that out gain the opponent by 100 yards or more and commit 0 turnovers are 49-1.

Guess the 1.

That doesn't happen without some help.

You can debate if it was on purpose or not… but refs had their finger on this one.

Did Vince McMahon become the NFL commissioner? Right now, it looks about as scripted as wrestling is.

Hamburger Dan said:

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I wouldn't say the Texans dominated the game.They did have a few big plays though. KC harassed their QB all day long, their special teams gave away points, stupid penalties and breakdowns on defense cost them the game. When it's all said and done, the most remembered highlight of the Texans is when their guy threw his helmet and then bum rushed his coach.

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Sacks Stroud took where just killers. 8 sacks on 28 attempts. That and the kicking game were just killers. Penalties hurt but not as bad as those mistakes. Houston would do fine until they'd get to KC's 30 and then take sacks to ruin the drive.

The refs definitely helped the Chiefs.
And it is obvious what they are doing.

But the Texans lost this one with their awful special teams and pretty weak effort by their Oline and Pass protection in general. That one play near the end where Strou d got sacked where the TE and RB barely made any effort at all to block the DE was just pathetic. And there was another sack where the TE was supposed to chip the DE and he barely grazed him with his elbow. Just poor effort

What I hear people saying is that they want a fair competition, and I agree. It definitely sucks to lose unfairly.

They can fix targeting in college. If the ref throws a flag it is a 15 yd penalty for illegal roughness. Replay determines only if the defender is kicked out. If not targeting the penalty still stands. That would step refs from throwing flags every time it may be targeting. Tu still loses to ASU.

In the NFL, roughing the passer and the qb slide need to be changed. Too many unnecessary roughing penalties are called and sliding by a qb late should not be a penalty if he is hit. Officiating was horrible in the KC Houston game

Several games this year the Chiefs certainly benefited from the refs. It's very obvious . Yesterday was pretty flagrant tho.

Does feel like they are the texas of the nfl.

LincolnBorglum79 said:

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They can fix targeting in college. If the ref throws a flag it is a 15 yd penalty for illegal roughness. Replay determines only if the defender is kicked out. If not targeting the penalty still stands. That would step refs from throwing flags every time it may be targeting. Tu still loses to ASU.

In the NFL, roughing the passer and the qb slide need to be changed. Too many unnecessary roughing penalties are called and sliding by a qb late should not be a penalty if he is hit. Officiating was horrible in the KC Houston game

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This is the way it used to be and sucked too if they threw a 15 yarder on a bad call to beginn with. The rule itself is written poorly.

What is targeting?

• Targeting is when a player initiates forcible contact with an opponent's head or neck area
  
  
• Targeting can include leading with the helmet, forearm, hand, fist, elbow, or shoulder
  
  
• Targeting can also include launching the body upward and forward to make contact
  
  

How is targeting enforced?

• Referees make judgment calls about whether targeting has occurred
• Referees consider whether the player was defenseless and if the opposing player led with the crown of their helmet

Like it says "initiates" forcible contact but there is a lot of ambiguity on that word initiates. Like down lower it talks about launching and what I've seen is without launching or without the crown of the helmet they no longer call targeting. But if you hit a defenseless player in the head regardless of the crown it still should be targeting per rule 1, but it's not anymore. Or not always. The rule itself needs to be explicit. They need to take the last sentence and weave it into the top 3 so that you have very explicit rules. Rules should include examples of what is and isn't targeting. When teaching someone you "tell" them, "show" them, "observe" them. THis is the 2020's. Why not have example pictures/videos in the rule book so we can all know what the frig targeting is. Right now it's just some nebulous thing and until it's defined better nothing else is going to fix it.