He was developing talent and finding hidden gems. Yeah, 2011 was embarrassing, but you could see the potential.

I even think Johnny would have still broken through, contrary to popular opinion. He would have been killing it in practice and would have gotten a chance to shine. He might have been starting as a Junior/Senior and ended up being a better Pro because of it.

Sherman would have been a perfect coach for A&M if he was a better coach. He may have found the way with more experience. He was a very good developer of talent and built a good roster for Sumlin in 2012.

Nope. EOT!

sip troll is getting his posts count up!

mike sherman is one of the best first half coach's i have ever seen and he is the worst second half coach i have ever seen.

sherman was the best coach we've had since RC by a wide margin

I wonder what other name OP used to use to troll by.

LETTUCE PRAY said:

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Another Theory:

2011 was funky because of the impending SEC move.

This was an unexpected monkey on the team's back. All Big 12 opponents on the schedule were wanting to kick our ass on the way out. It added a weird element to things.

We were everyone's Super Bowl that year

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Bow tie was sick of Mike saying "wait until next year."

If Sherman had had Sumlin as his OC, maybe he coaches until two years after Sumlin (inevitably) leaves.

Sherman could recruit on the offensive side of the ball -- no doubt about that

but on the defensive side...woof

recall that Von Miller was a Fran recruit

also have to give Sherman credit for winning in Lubbock -- he was 2-0 there

he was the only A&M coach that ever figured out...the secret to beating the Red Raiders on the road was to outscore them in a shootout

the conservative run-the-ball play-good-defense approach was not going to succeed there

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Sherman could recruit on the offensive side of the ball -- no doubt about that

but on the defensive side...woof

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this... we got lucky in 2012 with a relatively injury-free season but that 2013 defense was just awful. bad enough we couldn't even ride the best player in aggie history to even an secw title.

LETTUCE PRAY said:

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Another Theory:

2011 was funky because of the impending SEC move.

This was an unexpected monkey on the team's back. All Big 12 opponents on the schedule were wanting to kick our ass on the way out. It added a weird element to things.

We were everyone's Super Bowl that year

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Nope. Texas won the Big XII on their way out and everyone hates Texas way more than A&M. Then they took UGA to OT in the SEC championship in their 1st year.

Sleepy Sherman pulled in great players but was an average coach.

You all are forgetting some serious details...

• fRan was the biggest fraud in all of College coaching, period!
• He took 2 of the greatest HS Quarterbacks of all time, and turned them into option QB's.
• He left nothing, and I mean nothing as far as a roster upon his exit
• There were 3 offensive lineman on Scholarship

Yes, Sherman lost to Arkansas State. That was more of a reflection on how bad it actually was vs. Sherman's coaching abilities.

• Sherman slowly rebuilt the roster the correct way.
• He built an NFL like roster
• He recruited and coached the best Offensive lineman in the history of A&M
• He recruited a basketball player and turned him into a 1st ballot Hall of Fame WR. (Mike Evans)
• He recruited JJ and JFF at QB

And here is where the plan got derailed... In the 2009 texas game, JJ got hurt. He played like crap against GA in the bowl game. More like the ND game this year with W****, WTH.

JJ has surgery in the off season. Doctor says, I am going to make your shoulder tendons just a little tight as they are going to stretch out as you are a QB. Well, he did, and they never stretched out, and his arm was never right again.

We limped thru the first 5 games or so losing I think 3 conf games in a row that we should not have lost. Before the Kansas game it was plain to see JJ was done. Sherman finally yanked JJ and replaced him with Tannehill. We never lost again till we got odell beckemed in the Cotton bowl by LSU.

I believe we go undefeated with no problem in the regular season if JJ stays healthy. People forget how good he was before he got hurt.

Sherman rebuilt this thing from the ashes. Yes their were a few bumps in the road and some very unfortunate breaks. But he built the 2012 Ferrari and we did not let him drive it.

Now far all of you who say he would have never let Johnny play QB, maybe your right, may be he does not let Johnny play QB. But Jamail Showers was faster than Johnny, not quicker, but he was faster. And he was a much more polished passer.

Its a debate that has no real answer. But I would say this. JFF turned out to be a generational talent. But did we need a generational talent? If Showers starts the Florida game, we win, period. I don't think its close. What happens after that who knows. I think the Duke JFF was one of the greatest games by a QB of all time. However, before he got to that point their were more than a few games where we just needed a simple throw for a first down and it was missed.

But, big Butt, did that team need JFF, I am sure I will be flamed, but the talent we had at every position. I just think if Showers played, we beat Florida and LSU. Bama, who knows. In Sherman's Pro set offense, with that offensive line, the stable of running backs and that wide receiver group. We will never know, but Showers could have been reeeeeaally good.

No matter what, Sherman deserves way more credit than he got!!!!

oldschool87 said:

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You all are forgetting some serious details...

• fRan was the biggest fraud in all of College coaching, period!
• He took 2 of the greatest HS Quarterbacks of all time, and turned them into option QB's.
• He left nothing, and I mean nothing as far as a roster upon his exit
• There were 3 offensive lineman on Scholarship

Yes, Sherman lost to Arkansas State. That was more of a reflection on how bad it actually was vs. Sherman's coaching abilities.

• Sherman slowly rebuilt the roster the correct way.
• He built an NFL like roster
• He recruited and coached the best Offensive lineman in the history of A&M
• He recruited a basketball player and turned him into a 1st ballot Hall of Fame WR. (Mike Evans)
• He recruited JJ and JFF at QB

And here is where the plan got derailed... In the 2009 texas game, JJ got hurt. He played like crap against GA in the bowl game. More like the ND game this year with W****, WTH.

JJ has surgery in the off season. Doctor says, I am going to make your shoulder tendons just a little tight as they are going to stretch out as you are a QB. Well, he did, and they never stretched out, and his arm was never right again.

We limped thru the first 5 games or so losing I think 3 conf games in a row that we should not have lost. Before the Kansas game it was plain to see JJ was done. Sherman finally yanked JJ and replaced him with Tannehill. We never lost again till we got odell beckemed in the Cotton bowl by LSU.

I believe we go undefeated with no problem in the regular season if JJ stays healthy. People forget how good he was before he got hurt.

Sherman rebuilt this thing from the ashes. Yes their were a few bumps in the road and some very unfortunate breaks. But he built the 2012 Ferrari and we did not let him drive it.

Now far all of you who say he would have never let Johnny play QB, maybe your right, may be he does not let Johnny play QB. But Jamail Showers was faster than Johnny, not quicker, but he was faster. And he was a much more polished passer.

Its a debate that has no real answer. But I would say this. JFF turned out to be a generational talent. But did we need a generational talent? If Showers starts the Florida game, we win, period. I don't think its close. What happens after that who knows. I think the Duke JFF was one of the greatest games by a QB of all time. However, before he got to that point their were more than a few games where we just needed a simple throw for a first down and it was missed.

But, big Butt, did that team need JFF, I am sure I will be flamed, but the talent we had at every position. I just think if Showers played, we beat Florida and LSU. Bama, who knows. In Sherman's Pro set offense, with that offensive line, the stable of running backs and that wide receiver group. We will never know, but Showers could have been reeeeeaally good.

No matter what, Sherman deserves way more credit than he got!!!!

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This is utter nonsense. It may not have been a Ferrari but he had a Shelby mustang in 2011 and he drove it out of the garage and straight into a wall.

NoHo Hank said:

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Sherman had one good 6 game stretch in 4 seasons. His 2008 season set the gold standard for A&M futility. But, but the cupboard was empty. I mean sure on the offensive side we had 2 NFL Qbs, an NFL lineman, and 2 NFL RBs, and on D we had an all pro DE, 2 other NFL DLs, 3 NFL DBs, and this nobody named Von Miller, but the cupboard was empty. We definitely had less talent than *checks notes* Arkansas State, 6-6 Miami, Kansas State, and Baylor. The cupboard! The cupboard! And it's tough to go into New Mexico and come out with a close fought win but that's exactly what we did. And San Antonio is a military city, basically a home game for Army, so that W there was a real feather in his cap.

But hey, at least we really turned it around in 2009 with that 6-7 season. And we were dutifully rebuilding the roster. Not reasonable to expect us to beat a STACKED K-state. I mean sure they beat us 62-14. But that's all part of the plan. 3-9 Colorado was on the road. Tough to win there. And hey, we played 6-6 Georgia kind of close in the bowl. Kept it within almost 3 touchdowns.

And then it all came together in 2010. An objectively good 6 game stretch. And we played LSU super, well not competitively, but no one can argue that physically we were on the field with them. So there's that.

You might think a 6-6 2011 was a disaster and absolute failure to build on the momentum from the prior year, but my take - it was an anomaly!! Despite history showing us that 2 of his prior 3 seasons were, as some might call it, absolute trash, given our talent levels, this one wasn't on Sherman, either I guess. I have every confidence he would have come into 2012 and crushed it.Yes, 2011 was stacked with talent, but you can't judge a coach on 4 years of wins and losses. You have to play speculative fiction about what he would have done if we just continued to endlessly trust him.

The only mistake we made with Sherman is that we didn't hire him back so we could fire him twice.

Here's the plain and simple facts. The Fran era was better than the Sherman era. In terms of W and L he was 32-28 vs. 25-25. 19-21 vs the big 12 vs 15-18 in the big 12. And 2002-2007 Big 12 was stronger than 2008-2011 Big 12. Both sucked. Sherman sucked worse.

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My ears rang after that game. By far the loudest A&M game I've ever been to.

I think Charlie Strong was let go too soon.



See? We can all post stupid ****.

I don't know how good or bad Sherman was as a head coach. He had good offensive schemes, he could recruit good OL and overall could identify under the radar talent like Evans. I also like his approach with players, putting it on them to "be a professional". Von Miller gives Sherman a lot of credit for getting him on the right track. I believe he was handicapped by cheapness when it came to hiring a DC. For two years he had a retiree and we were terrible. Then we went all out and hired the Air Force DC who was at least decent but couldn't recruit very well. Our lack of depth (and probably conditioning) played a huge part in not being able to hold double digit leads in 2011. Plus I couldn't count the times in the OSU game alone that DeRuyter had guys running on and off the field when the ball was snapped.

I think Sherman had a great temperament for a HC and was more football savvy than anyone since RC. If he had had the resources Fisher had I think he would prove to be twice as good as that hack. But all that aside, 2011 was an outrage, he was the HC, we had to hire a new DC while Sherman was at best on a very hot seat and we were going to the SEC. It almost was inevitable.

If he would have had a good DC he would have gone far.

I lost hope in this program after seeing how we moved on from Sherman and how it was handled

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DeRuyter had guys running on and off the field when the ball was snapped.

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Ugh...of all the things discussed in this thread, that's one that I had pretty much forgotten about. Was expecting too many men calls all the time.

DeRuyter's available again after being released from Tceh!

It tells you everything about the leadership of the university. Next was allowing Durkin and Petrino to coach here.