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Penalties can be thrown on every play. If you want to state letter of the law. Yes, he was barely down field on an obvious pass play. He was not trying to deceive the defense as far as RPO blocking. He was pass blocking. He lunged at a guy trying to block him and just floated a little bit. I never see that penalty thrown in similar situation. They call it when a play is extended on a RPO and the lineman is blocking way past the line of scrimmage. Reed-Adams was just there by himself.

Where he messed up, he should have known what this crew was doing. The flag came out super late. My guess is the ref threw the flag after the Auburn coaches started yelling long after the play bc they were doing all game knowing they were getting the calls.

And yes, penalties should be called if they actually affected the play. And the majority of the time refs do ignore ones such as this that had zero affect on the play. But of course, not in this game.

I'm not sure why this thread is started by Ags. This was a "just win" game with the officiating agenda. We did, move on or start threads that highlight positives of this team. We have plenty of non Ag trolls that can start crap threads such as this.
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You don't have to click on it. I started it because of all the bad penalties that were being called this one wasn't one of them. And it still isn't one of them. It was somewhat of an effort to get people to stop sounding stupid about this specific call and to understand the rule. And for the most part that probably worked.

Also, he wasn't 'barely past the line'. He was over two yards past. Wasn't close.
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TMartin said:


Number 55 is a Redshirt Senior and OL starter. The game would have been over. The officials would not be given the opportunity to make that. call. This discussion shouldn't be necessary.


Absolutely.
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Your response is as bad as your original post and did not address all the areas I covered.

My post already stated, yes, letter of the law it could be called. I'm not arguing that point. So thanks for stating what I already stated.

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This whole conversation is silly but I have a few observations. There were a lot of nitpicking holding calls. For the most part they were evenly distributed between the two teams so the only real impact is that it made the game difficult to watch. The downfield blocking had an impact on the score but it also turned out to be irrelevant in the end.
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if the officiating is so bad that every week ther are questions on whether the refs are taking bribes or bet on the games you might have a problem.

the fact that a billion dollar product does nothing to address this glaring issue calls into question the motives.
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I don't know why some of yall watch it you believe what you say on here that the sec has orders to screw us and try to dictate outcomes of games….

Yes, the flags made the game unbearable to watch at times. Yes, they called it tight. But they called it tight for both sides. Auburn also had some huge plays come back because of flags.

Only flag that I truly believe was just a bad call was the first holding that brought back a long run (think it was our second drive).
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FTAG 2000 said:

Anyone think it would have been called on Georgia, Bama, or sip?

Me either.


Doesn't matter. We have to play smarter.
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MagnumLoad said:

On the opposite side of the field though I think. No effect on the play


Should have been given advantage like in soccer and stupid rules like that one.
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htxag09 said:

I don't know why some of yall watch it you believe what you say on here that the sec has orders to screw us and try to dictate outcomes of games….

Yes, the flags made the game unbearable to watch at times. Yes, they called it tight. But they called it tight for both sides. Auburn also had some huge plays come back because of flags.

Only flag that I truly believe was just a bad call was the first holding that brought back a long run (think it was our second drive).


It wasn't called tight because the teams are egregious at committing penalties. When the lower chance outcome hits for the spread and the O/U in a game with 24 total penalties, it's obvious why so many were thrown.
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TMF said:

FTAG 2000 said:

Anyone think it would have been called on Georgia, Bama, or sip?

Me either.


Doesn't matter. We have to play smarter.



It was called against Georgia last night. And it was much closer
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SpiderM85 said:

It was a pretty touchdown with the penalty having no impact on actual play…

This tells me you don't understand the point of the rule.
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TMF said:

FTAG 2000 said:

Anyone think it would have been called on Georgia, Bama, or sip?

Me either.


Doesn't matter. We have to play smarter.

This x 100. Add in Regis's and Bisontis's antics.
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LB12Diamond said:

Your response is as bad as your original post and did not address all the areas I covered.

My post already stated, yes, letter of the law it could be called. I'm not arguing that point. So thanks for stating what I already stated.




You said that he was 'barely downfield'. Nothing you said mattered after that.
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Once upon a time, I was a Friday night official.

A well coached tackle will not engage a defender more than 1 yard off the line on a pass play. If you are a tackle that pounds a cornerback or safety into the dust and engaged him close to the line of scrimmage, you get a huge smile from the zebras, not a flag. We love to see that kind of play.

What happened was not a close call. Any lineman who is worth his salt throws that flag.

Three yards is not the right measure. If you go one inch over three yards, you deserve a flag, not because three yards is some magical number, but because you should have been on the line of scrimmage, not downfield. As an OL, your job is to freaking eat people that will dare to get close to the line of scrimmage. The rules of football support that. But, downfield is the realm of WRs, safetys, and CBs, not tackles.

If you are gong to push the rule to the very far extent and try to get away with it, follow the rule to the letter. A better strategy is to generally try to follow the spirit of the rule, which seems to keep flags in pockets, even with the flag crazy crew from yesterday.

I support the flag.

It takes a special kind of brainwashed useful idiot to politically defend government fraud, waste, and abuse.
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the more coolest guy said:

Haven't seen a replay but in person it looked like some very late flags being thrown…late enough to see what happened on the play and then dropping laundry. Just saying.
Fellas, if even this sip can call it for what it is then y'all are out of excuses. I really don't think Snakey and the SEC refs also need y'all covering for them.
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Example "a" if problems with referees.

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agsalaska said:

TBoneAg said:

It was the correct call but petty and didn't affect the play , you can find a penalty on every call if you look close enough


The 'didn't affect the play' argument makes zero sense. The official has no idea whether or not the actions of the player will affect the play when he throws the flag. It's not a consideration.




Considering how late the flag was thrown I disagree
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The fixation with the referees is too much. If he doesn't wander downfield, the game is over.
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That's fine, it do they call those against everyone consistently?
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biglebowski said:

That's fine, it do they call those against everyone consistently?

No. Just A&M because the sec, ncaa, the country, and the world all hate us and want us to lose in every sporting event possible.
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htxag09 said:

biglebowski said:

That's fine, it do they call those against everyone consistently?

No. Just A&M because the sec, ncaa, the country, and the world all hate us and want us to lose in every sporting event possible.

eot
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It was one of 5 or 6 idiotic plays from our offensive line.

You could understand it if a screen pass was called. Or if Reed had scrambled for a while.

Nope. Just a guy wandering like a dog chasing a car. Dumb.
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Not sure if it was an RPO but that happens a lot on RPO plays.

Just made the W that much better.

Excellent game by the D and by a country mile York's best game as an Aggie.

Hard to crticize a college PK missing a 50 yard FG but Bond has to make at least ONE of those long one. Would have made it a comfortable W.

Quirky game. Could have been 27-3.

Great W, moving on to a dangerous State team.
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agsalaska said:

MagnumLoad said:

On the opposite side of the field though I think. No effect on the play


Doesn't matter. That has nothing to do with it. The ref has no idea when he throws the flag whether or not that lineman will ultimately make an impact on the play. And it's not a judgment call anyway.

Thats not how the penalty works.
Also he wasnt 5 yards
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Easiest flag of the day by the refs. He was 5-6 yards downfield. The player not mattering on the play is irrelevant as always for this type of flag. And it would've been called on Alabama & Georgia too.
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If that play was an RPO, that's the risk. OL are run blocking in anticipation of the run, but the QB has the quick throw option. The thinking being that the OL won't make it that far downfield.

However, I think it was a designed screen, so especially if he was uncovered, he was probably just too early in getting downfield and trying to pick up a block. An effort play with just a little lack of discipline.
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PatAg said:

agsalaska said:

MagnumLoad said:

On the opposite side of the field though I think. No effect on the play


Doesn't matter. That has nothing to do with it. The ref has no idea when he throws the flag whether or not that lineman will ultimately make an impact on the play. And it's not a judgment call anyway.

Thats not how the penalty works.
Also he wasnt 5 yards


Your right. He was actually more like 5 yards and 1 foot.

This is the problem. You guys are commenting and forming opinions on it and don't even n ow what happened.

Go watch the play. He was a step more than five yards.
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Gyles Marrett said:

Uninvolved in the play, blocking no one just basically watching. That NEVER gets called. It was called bc we scored. Don't kid yourself.

Very late flag
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its obvious to me that SEC officiating took a major hit last week from the OU/Auburn debacle and used this week as a way to call the game as it should be called.

They were critical and threw a flag on just about every call.

The question is not why they called a very tight game, the question is why don't they call the game like that every week?

It's not that the calls they were making were incorrect; it's that they are inconsistent from week to week. How can any football team play the right way and adjust, if the zebras are calling games tight one week and loose the next?
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The mob had all their money on Auburn +6.5, thus the officiating.
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agsalaska said:

Logos Stick said:

When the ball was thrown he was not that far off the line. He was legal.


No he wasn't. I just watched the replay not five minutes ago. He was five yards plus maybe a foot downfield from the line of scrimmage. He was two yards plus from where he was allowed to be.

It wasn't close. Go watch it.

Or don't and just believe whatever.
Im sure most folks were just going off what the tv team said which was he was barely beyond the 3 yard zone. They thought it was close enough to bring it up on telecast.
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agsalaska said:

MagnumLoad said:

On the opposite side of the field though I think. No effect on the play


Doesn't matter. That has nothing to do with it. The ref has no idea when he throws the flag whether or not that lineman will ultimately make an impact on the play. And it's not a judgment call anyway.


Half the penalties in football have no effect on the actual play. By far my least favorite part of watching football is the false starts on flinches. Sure when a bit jumps out of his stance call it, but the flinch is an asinine call. All 11 players are allowed to move and communicate, turn their heads etc., but if they flinch a tiny bit it's a 5 yard penalty.
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Heineken-Ashi said:

htxag09 said:

I don't know why some of yall watch it you believe what you say on here that the sec has orders to screw us and try to dictate outcomes of games….

Yes, the flags made the game unbearable to watch at times. Yes, they called it tight. But they called it tight for both sides. Auburn also had some huge plays come back because of flags.

Only flag that I truly believe was just a bad call was the first holding that brought back a long run (think it was our second drive).


It wasn't called tight because the teams are egregious at committing penalties. When the lower chance outcome hits for the spread and the O/U in a game with 24 total penalties, it's obvious why so many were thrown.


Doesn't the kicker missing two kicks kind of blow up that theory though? If he made those we aren't having this conversation.
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