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merch
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Until they screw it up...they haven't been able to give us credit for tu on schedule yet. Now our strength of record and schedule only got better after that game right? Already ahead of other one loss teams like Oregon and Tech and now that spread is even bigger right? Or am i thinking of this wrong.

Nothing looks more foolish than tradition to those who have none.
A. G. Pennypacker
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Strength of record will take a hit due to losing the game.
WC94
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Fook the committee!
Luke The Drifter
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I'm not here to defend the committee, but what a mess they have on their hands with the Ole Miss situation. How do you seed the Rebs knowing that their coach is likely leaving and taking a lot of the players with him?
But those who hope in the LORD will renew their strength. They will soar on wings like eagles; they will run and not grow weary, they will walk and not be faint. Isaiah 40:31 (NIV)
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Our strength of record already better than most. Strength of schedule has to go up right? While we played fringe playoff top 15 team other one loss teams played nobody.
Nothing looks more foolish than tradition to those who have none.
BMX Bandit
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Our strength of schedule (in the one committee uses) was 100 before Friday. We won't move ahead of Oregon on that metric
Luke The Drifter
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There are only 136 FBS teams and you mean to tell me we played a 100+ strength of schedule? C'mon…nobody believes that. I get that we didn't play the top of the SEC, but no reasonable metric has us with a 100+ SoS.
But those who hope in the LORD will renew their strength. They will soar on wings like eagles; they will run and not grow weary, they will walk and not be faint. Isaiah 40:31 (NIV)
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Until it isn't puffed like cigar smoke from a non-transparent committee, assume it's exactly what it appears to be???
merch
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Then same metric would have Oregon 130? I mean, how can you play with numbers on something like that to such a degree? Oregon did not play tougher schedule than ND, LSU, Missouri, Texas...
I wont mention other things like the team Tech lost to is in the bottom of our league and beat one of the better teams in the big xii. Should have beaten committee darling texas.
One loss SEC team is always greater than 1 loss from other conferences.
Give me a break.
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BMX Bandit
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Then same metric would have Oregon 130


49 last week.
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Luke The Drifter said:

I'm not here to defend the committee, but what a mess they have on their hands with the Ole Miss situation. How do you seed the Rebs knowing that their coach is likely leaving and taking a lot of the players with him?

I put this on another thread, but it feels like Ole Miss should fall in the ratings without Kiffin. It's the same as if they had a Heisman Trophy candidate QB or RB get hurt and know he wouldn't be playing in the post-season. If Kiffin is the wizard coach of all time, then Ole Miss without him is worse than with him.
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Luke The Drifter said:

There are only 136 FBS teams and you mean to tell me we played a 100+ strength of schedule? C'mon…nobody believes that. I get that we didn't play the top of the SEC, but no reasonable metric has us with a 100+ SoS.


Doesn't matter if anyone believes it or not, that's where we fall on the SOS methodology the committee uses.
Luke The Drifter
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Massey Ratings - our SoS is #11
https://masseyratings.com/cf/fbs/ratings

Colley Matrix - #56 SoS
https://www.colleyrankings.com/currank.html

Sagarin hasn't been updated yet, but we were #19 SoS before the Texas game
http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm

Anderson & Hester also not yet updated, but we were #39 in SoS before playing Texas
http://www.andersonsports.com/football/acf_frnk.html

I know these computer polls are not the do all, end all for the committee...but there is literally no one out there who believes our SoS was 100+.

But those who hope in the LORD will renew their strength. They will soar on wings like eagles; they will run and not grow weary, they will walk and not be faint. Isaiah 40:31 (NIV)
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'03ag said:

Luke The Drifter said:

There are only 136 FBS teams and you mean to tell me we played a 100+ strength of schedule? C'mon…nobody believes that. I get that we didn't play the top of the SEC, but no reasonable metric has us with a 100+ SoS.


Doesn't matter if anyone believes it or not, that's where we fall on the SOS methodology the committee uses.


Where can we find this info? The committee is as non-transparent as they can possibly be about every single thing they do. I find it hard to believe they'd publish the SoS they're using, but keep everything else a secret.

But those who hope in the LORD will renew their strength. They will soar on wings like eagles; they will run and not grow weary, they will walk and not be faint. Isaiah 40:31 (NIV)
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No it wasnt
BMX Bandit
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I think it's insane they have our SOS so low. So you won't get any argument from me.

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Who?mikejones! said:

No it wasnt


Then what was Oregon's SOS in the rankings the committee uses last week?
BMX Bandit
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They don't publish it, but there is a guy on twitter that has predicted rankings each week and has apparently "cracked the code" based on criteria announced back in 2014

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Random guy on Twitter is wrong. Theres no reasonable way our sos is anywhere near 100 or that Indiana, osu or oregon or Notre dame have anywhere close to our schedule
'03ag
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He's not a rando

He's with Dave Bartoo of CFB Analytics and they're 100% correct about how the committee calculates SOS

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Oh wait

Some of you still think there's actually football reasons there is a committee. Interesting.
Gig ‘Em Baby!
BMX Bandit
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Who?mikejones! said:

Random guy on Twitter is wrong. Theres no reasonable way our sos is anywhere near 100 or that Indiana, osu or oregon or Notre dame have anywhere close to our schedule


Have you even paid attention? The committee constantly bags on our schedule. So which ranking are they using? Please tell us.


I think the SoS they use is complete garbage. But it's what they use.
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Then their rankings are stupid and this entire thing is ****ingn stupid and needs to be ended
Who?mikejones!
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It makes sense now. So thank you for informing me.

I actually hate the college playoff system even more now. Didn't think that was possible
BMX Bandit
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LB12Diamond said:

Oh wait

Some of you still think there's actually football reasons there is a committee. Interesting.



You mean they aren't watching 30 games and breaking down the all22 film??


They are handed a list of metrics. And those metrics have our SOS far below the teams we are compared to. I think it's a terrible metric, but they are using it regardless of my thoughts
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Really

It's clear there's an agenda bc 1&2 have crap schedules. Again, they can state whatever they like. They have forever.

You need to rewatch the balloon fight capture the flag SEC shorts episode again it appears.
Gig ‘Em Baby!
Who?mikejones!
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What sor metric do they use. Clearly not the one espn parrots around
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BMX Bandit said:

Who?mikejones! said:

Random guy on Twitter is wrong. Theres no reasonable way our sos is anywhere near 100 or that Indiana, osu or oregon or Notre dame have anywhere close to our schedule


Have you even paid attention? The committee constantly bags on our schedule. So which ranking are they using? Please tell us.


I think the SoS they use is complete garbage. But it's what they use.


Yes, I k ow they dogged our schedule. Which made no sense when anyone with Google could pull up osu, iu, tech, Oregon, Ole miss' schedule a.d see they are **** too.

Makes sense now if they have some super secret formula that we can't see.

Its so ****ing stupid
'03ag
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Then their rankings are stupid and this entire thing is ****ingn stupid and needs to be ended


They're awful rankings but they're the rankings. And all of the dumb things they've done actually "make sense" when you understand they are using flawed methodology.

My only point has been we should amplify and criticize the methodology rather than throwing our hands up and screaming this makes no sense.

Bartoo and crew are analytics guys and they take a very hands off approach when reporting the committee numbers. I think that's wrong and they should be using their platform to criticize the committee methodology. They know full well it's a dumb way to calculate SOS.

But ... they have an analytics business and they're to the point now where ADs are paying them to provide insights on things like coaching searches. So they aren't going to make a stink because committee members are potential clients.
DE4D
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It went from 1 to 3
jphelmet
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Strength of record we are #3 after the loss. We are also 8th in game control.

We might not fall that far, it possible we are 5 or 6.
BMX Bandit
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We are also 8th in game control.


Where are you seeing this?
TexAg2019
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Who?mikejones! said:

BMX Bandit said:

Who?mikejones! said:

Random guy on Twitter is wrong. Theres no reasonable way our sos is anywhere near 100 or that Indiana, osu or oregon or Notre dame have anywhere close to our schedule


Have you even paid attention? The committee constantly bags on our schedule. So which ranking are they using? Please tell us.


I think the SoS they use is complete garbage. But it's what they use.


Yes, I k ow they dogged our schedule. Which made no sense when anyone with Google could pull up osu, iu, tech, Oregon, Ole miss' schedule a.d see they are **** too.

Makes sense now if they have some super secret formula that we can't see.

Its so ****ing stupid

If you're mad now, I bet you'd be thrilled to learn that the committee's SOS formula is basically comprised of two components: record of opponents and record of opponent's opponents. That's it. That's the formula.
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DE4D said:

It went from 1 to 3

This is what I figured would happen. There aren't many other teams with one loss or less. It was really just a question of whether it would drop to 3, 4, 5, or 6. Good to see it's still at 3.

I do think our SOS, even under the committee's ridiculous metric, will go up quite a bit having now played Texas. I'm really holding out hope for being ranked 6 tomorrow.
Jarrin Jay
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Out strength of schedule is top 20, anything less is fabricated and agenda driven.
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