We already know we will have 2 auto bids from ACC/Sun Belt/AAC so the 11 and 12 seeds are already taken. So as another thread already stated: If BYU wins, whoever is in the 10 slot is also getting knocked out, which right now would be Bama. The committee could leave them at 10 after a loss and they would get replaced by an auto bid, which isn't punishing them for playing the game, or they could sacrifice OU, ND, or Ole Miss. But what TWO teams get cut if Bama wins and locks in an auto bid?

Ol Miss is in.

Alpha Texan said:

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We already know we will have 2 auto bids from ACC/Sun Belt/AAC so the 11 and 12 seeds are already taken. So as another thread already stated: If BYU wins, whoever is in the 10 slot is also getting knocked out, which right now would be Bama. The committee could leave them at 10 after a loss and they would get replaced by an auto bid, which isn't punishing them for playing the game, or they could sacrifice OU, ND, or Ole Miss. But what TWO teams get cut if Bama wins and locks in an auto bid?

Assuming we land where we are in the AP, I expect something like this:

1 OSU
2. Indiana
3. Oregon
4. UGA
5. Oregon
6. A&M
7. Bama
8. BYU
9. Tech
10. Miss/ND/OU
11. Auto bid
12. Auto bid

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Just a reminder that the ACC champ longer gets an auto bid due to not being in the 5 highest ranked conference winners.

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I wouldn't bet on them, but I think UVA can still win that game

If ByU wins they take ND place

if Tech Bama OSU win:

1 OSU
2 TxTech
3 Indiana
4 Bama
5 Oregon
6 Georgia
7 Ole Miss
8 A&M
9. Oklahoma
10 Notre Dame
11 Auto
12 Auto

If Tech loses. Bama loses OSU loses:

1. Indiana
2. Georgia
3. Ohio St
4. BYU
5. Oregon
6. Ole Miss
7. A&M
8. Oklahoma
9. TxTech
10. Bama (ND out)
11. Auto
12. Auto

This order eliminates re-matches in the 1st round and top 4 re-matches til the finals.

So OU? Their resume is better than ND

3 loss Bama gets the boot imo if a 1 loss BYU. 2 loss BYU gets the boot

ND and OU get in obviously

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Artorias said:

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If ByU wins they take ND place

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I don't see a 10-2 ND not getting in. They are one of the hottest teams right now. Since our win, they have cleaned up.

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yes, this is why I don't think OU is safe yet

the committee has ignored the Miami-Notre Dame head-to-head...so why wouldn't they ignore the OU-Alabama head-to-head?

RoadkillBBQ said:

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The fact there is any rerankings after the conference championship games shows a flaw in the system. You simply cannot have teams risking a playoff spot by playing a 13th game while others sit out risking little to nothing. Either do away with conference championship games or do the final playoff seedings at the end of the regular season.

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Bama isn't risking a spot by playing the game: they are the last at large in the field. If byu beats tech then byu gets a bid and takes up an at large spot of someone currently in the field

They could swap them with tech but falling from 4 to out is definitely punishing tech for playing that game

Since bama is currently the last at large in the field and a byu win squeezes the at large spots by 1 bid, bama is the logical choice to get squeezed out in that scenario

BYU would essentially be a bid thief like in the ncaa tournament, which squeezes out the last team in


Has nothing to do with playing the extra game

If byu loses and bama loses, bama still gets in

If the committee wants to avoid that then they should move bama to 9 and nd to 10 this week

We need to at least win one or two playoff games to show that we now don't always collapse at the end of the season !

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If the committee wants to avoid that then they should move bama to 9 and nd to 10 this week

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Then, they'd have Notre Dame at 10 and no way to dodge the ND-Miami comparison.

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If the committee wants to avoid that then they should move bama to 9 and nd to 10 this week

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Then, they'd have Notre Dame at 10 and no way to dodge the ND-Miami comparison.

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Maybe so

Or they'd still have Miami in a different comparison group with byu, Utah, vandy

Ole Miss isn't going to be ranked above us. They're stuck with the worst seed of 1 loss teams due to not having their HC, OC, etc.

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Ole Miss isn't going to be ranked above us. They're stuck with the worst seed of 1 loss teams due to not having their HC, OC, etc.

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They also played a pillow soft non-conference schedule. A&M's win over ND, while not relevant in the SEC tiebreaker scenarios, should give A&M a clear edge over Ole Miss in the CFP rankings.

Ole miss shouldnt be ahead of Ags when they lost their coach...

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RoadkillBBQ said:

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The fact there is any rerankings after the conference championship games shows a flaw in the system. You simply cannot have teams risking a playoff spot by playing a 13th game while others sit out risking little to nothing. Either do away with conference championship games or do the final playoff seedings at the end of the regular season.

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Bama isn't risking a spot by playing the game: they are the last at large in the field. If byu beats tech then byu gets a bid and takes up an at large spot of someone currently in the field

They could swap them with tech but falling from 4 to out is definitely punishing tech for playing that game

Since bama is currently the last at large in the field and a byu win squeezes the at large spots by 1 bid, bama is the logical choice to get squeezed out in that scenario

BYU would essentially be a bid thief like in the ncaa tournament, which squeezes out the last team in


Has nothing to do with playing the extra game

If byu loses and bama loses, bama still gets in

If the committee wants to avoid that then they should move bama to 9 and nd to 10 this week

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The fact you mention any reseeding occurring AFTER the CC games validates my point. It shouldn't happen. Not when the complete field doesn't play. Because it can not only cause a team to fall out, it could possibly cause a team to lose the first round bye. How would it look if someone like Georgia was to lose to Bama and have someone like Oregon sitting at home slide into the 4 spot? Don't say it couldn't happen. Who would have ever imagined an undefeated P4 team being left out like FS was. Everyone has also always said any team in the SEC who goes 10-2 is a shoe-in. Tell Vandy that.

You are not understanding. Anyone who follows basketball or baseball is familiar with the concept of "bid stealers." Right now, the last at large team in the field looks to be the 10 seed, but, if BYU wins the Big XII, then the 9 seed becomes the cut line, and Bama would be on the wrong side of that line if they can't pull an upset in Atlanta. It has nothing to do with losing, and everything to do with the number of at large spots available. We see this all the time in the other sports where there is an upset in a conference tournament, with a lower ranked team winning, but a team which didn't win the conference (in this case, Texas Tech) is ranked too high to be left out, so the bubble moves up one slot.

Alpha Texan said:

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We already know we will have 2 auto bids from ACC/Sun Belt/AAC so the 11 and 12 seeds are already taken. So as another thread already stated: If BYU wins, whoever is in the 10 slot is also getting knocked out, which right now would be Bama. The committee could leave them at 10 after a loss and they would get replaced by an auto bid, which isn't punishing them for playing the game, or they could sacrifice OU, ND, or Ole Miss. But what TWO teams get cut if Bama wins and locks in an auto bid?

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BYU is not beating Tech

twk said:

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You are not understanding. Anyone who follows basketball or baseball is familiar with the concept of "bid stealers." Right now, the last at large team in the field looks to be the 10 seed, but, if BYU wins the Big XII, then the 9 seed becomes the cut line, and Bama would be on the wrong side of that line if they can't pull an upset in Atlanta. It has nothing to do with losing, and everything to do with the number of at large spots available. We see this all the time in the other sports where there is an upset in a conference tournament, with a lower ranked team winning, but a team which didn't win the conference (in this case, Texas Tech) is ranked too high to be left out, so the bubble moves up one slot.

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thank you for explaining so clearly what I was trying to explain

Explain to me how the Big 12 Championship is not a play-in game. The loser won't have beaten anybody.

And BTW, I give BYU a 5% chance against TTU.

twk said:

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You are not understanding. Anyone who follows basketball or baseball is familiar with the concept of "bid stealers." Right now, the last at large team in the field looks to be the 10 seed, but, if BYU wins the Big XII, then the 9 seed becomes the cut line, and Bama would be on the wrong side of that line if they can't pull an upset in Atlanta. It has nothing to do with losing, and everything to do with the number of at large spots available. We see this all the time in the other sports where there is an upset in a conference tournament, with a lower ranked team winning, but a team which didn't win the conference (in this case, Texas Tech) is ranked too high to be left out, so the bubble moves up one slot.

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Another way of saying it: If Alabama were not in the SEC Championship Game due to tie-breakers, they still would get bumped in this BYU scenario. So they are not getting punished for playing an extra game.

If Bama beats GA, they should not be ranked below a team they beat TWICE! Once in the regular season. The entire CFB is a cluster. It is either too many teams or not enough. I think it is either too many teams, or keep it at 12 but DO NOT be PC and put teams in that have no business being in. No G5, period. No auto conference winner ranked below 15. Texas should be in over ACC or G5, but other teams have a similar argument. I would be fine with 8 teams, no byes.

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If Bama beats GA, they should not be ranked below a team they beat TWICE! Once in the regular season. The entire CFB is a cluster. It is either too many teams or not enough. I think it is either too many teams, or keep it at 12 but DO NOT be PC and put teams in that have no business being in. No G5, period. No auto conference winner ranked below 15. Texas should be in over ACC or G5, but other teams have a similar argument. I would be fine with 8 teams, no byes.

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So, do you drop UGA behind Oregon, A&M, and Ole Miss because they lost to Bama, or do you have Bama jump all those teams just because they beat UGA? Unless two teams are next to each other in the rankings, it's never as simple as "Team A beat Team B, so Team A must be ranked ahead of Team B." There are 100+ teams being compared, not two.

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If Bama beats GA, they should not be ranked below a team they beat TWICE! Once in the regular season. The entire CFB is a cluster. It is either too many teams or not enough. I think it is either too many teams, or keep it at 12 but DO NOT be PC and put teams in that have no business being in. No G5, period. No auto conference winner ranked below 15. Texas should be in over ACC or G5, but other teams have a similar argument. I would be fine with 8 teams, no byes.

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So, do you drop UGA behind Oregon, A&M, and Ole Miss because they lost to Bama, or do you have Bama jump all those teams just because they beat UGA? Unless two teams are next to each other in the rankings, it's never as simple as "Team A beat Team B, so Team A must be ranked ahead of Team B." There are 100+ teams being compared, not two.

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In this case both would have 11-2 records, but one team beat the other two times. I don't know how the rest shakes out, but no way in that scenario should GA be ahead of Bama.

And two times in the state of GA. GA needs to win to avoid that.

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That's kind of an important aspect of putting together the field, ranking the entire group and not simply looking at two.

If Bama, OSU, and BYU win you have five P4 one loss teams competing for three slots

OSU 13-0
IU 12-1
Miss 11-1
BYU 12-1 (Conference win enough to get them here?)
TX A&M 11-1
Oregon 11-1
Alabama 11-2
Georgia 11-2
OU 11-2
ND 11-2
Miami 10-2
UNT 11-1

I really don't see a scenario with 3 B1G teams in the top 4, but it COULD look like this

OSU 13-0
IU 12-1
Miss 11-1
Oregon 11-1
BYU 12-1
TX A&M 11-1
Alabama 11-2
Georgia 11-2 (both losses to AL)
OU 11-2 (depends on how the tu loss is viewed)
ND 11-2
Miami 10-2 (beat ND H2H, but losses were to fairly weak competition; not sure UVA jumps them even with a win)
UNT 11-1

SLIM chance A&M and Oregon swap 4->6

There remains 10 other slots. If the system puts an 11-2 team above another 11-2 team that beat them twice, there is no system.

I'd like to see BYU in just because I like to see a QB wearing #47

cavscout96 said:

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If Bama, OSU, and BYU win you have five P4 one loss teams competing for three slots

OSU 13-0
IU 12-1
Miss 11-1
BYU 12-1 (Conference win enough to get them here?)
TX A&M 11-1
Oregon 11-1
Alabama 11-2
Georgia 11-2
OU 11-2
ND 11-2
Miami 10-2
UNT 11-1

I really don't see a scenario with 3 B1G teams in the top 4, but it COULD look like this

OSU 13-0
IU 12-1
Miss 11-1
Oregon 11-1
BYU 12-1
TX A&M 11-1
Alabama 11-2
Georgia 11-2 (both losses to AL)
OU 11-2 (depends on how the tu loss is viewed)
ND 11-2
Miami 10-2 (beat ND H2H, but losses were to fairly weak competition; not sure UVA jumps them even with a win)
UNT 11-1

SLIM chance A&M and Oregon swap 4->6

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Not sure how the LK saga impacts this. Should it?

The players earned a solid seeding. The coach is a JA, but will not be there as the "mastermind."

Does the committee join in the pity party and give OM a sweet seed and 1st RND bye or penalize them because to the coaching change? HFK