RoadkillBBQ said:

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The fact there is any rerankings after the conference championship games shows a flaw in the system. You simply cannot have teams risking a playoff spot by playing a 13th game while others sit out risking little to nothing. Either do away with conference championship games or do the final playoff seedings at the end of the regular season.

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I think the CCG is not much longer for this world. In a playoff world it's just not necessary and endangers your teams.

I think very soon it will end and you'll see the teams with the most conference wins declared champs/co champs like in the old SWC (yes they'll allow co-champs so more teams in bigger conferences have a chance to win them more often and have stronger cases for higher seedings in the playoff)

So for example, after Saturday the SEC would have:

Co Champs: Texas A&M & Alabama (UGA and Ole Miss eliminated by head to head with Bama)

4 Teams that cannot have more than 2 losses and be eliminated from the playoff

Texas A&M 11-1
Georgia 11-1
Ole Miss 11-1
Alabama 10-2

fireinthehole said:

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There remains 10 other slots. If the system puts an 11-2 team above another 11-2 team that beat them twice, there is no system.

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We can all stipulate that the system is flawed, but the topic on this thread is who gets in. You don't seem to be interested in addressing that, other than re-stating this one point over and over again.

Alpha Texan said:

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We already know we will have 2 auto bids from ACC/Sun Belt/AAC so the 11 and 12 seeds are already taken. So as another thread already stated: If BYU wins, whoever is in the 10 slot is also getting knocked out, which right now would be Bama. The committee could leave them at 10 after a loss and they would get replaced by an auto bid, which isn't punishing them for playing the game, or they could sacrifice OU, ND, or Ole Miss. But what TWO teams get cut if Bama wins and locks in an auto bid?

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There are five autobids for conference champions. So pencil those in before you count teams being cut.

cavscout96 said:

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If Bama, OSU, and BYU win you have five P4 one loss teams competing for three slots

OSU 13-0 (CC)
IU 12-1
Miss 11-1
BYU 12-1 (Conference win enough to get them here?) (CC)
TX A&M 11-1
Oregon 11-1
Alabama 11-2 (CC)
Georgia 11-2
OU 11-2
ND 11-2
Miami 10-2
UNT 11-1 (CC)

I really don't see a scenario with 3 B1G teams in the top 4, but it COULD look like this

OSU 13-0
IU 12-1
Miss 11-1
Oregon 11-1
BYU 12-1
TX A&M 11-1
Alabama 11-2
Georgia 11-2 (both losses to AL)
OU 11-2 (depends on how the tu loss is viewed)
ND 11-2
Miami 10-2 (beat ND H2H, but losses were to fairly weak competition; not sure UVA jumps them even with a win)
UNT 11-1

SLIM chance A&M and Oregon swap 4->6

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You are missing having the top 5 conference champs in there. I know you have Miami in there but they won't be a conference champ. You need to have a spot for either UVA or someone like JMU (if Duke beats UVA) to meet the top 5 conference champs.

It is a dumb rule and would have been fine when the Big XII was a legit conference and the Pac 10 was around but int he current landscape it allows for 10-2 non-power 5 conference teams to be in which is dumb.

Even more absurd....if this was last year UNT or Tulane would be looking at a first round bye. They at least corrected that but need to work further.

tylercsbn9 said:

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cavscout96 said:

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If Bama, OSU, and BYU win you have five P4 one loss teams competing for three slots

OSU 13-0 (CC)
IU 12-1
Miss 11-1
BYU 12-1 (Conference win enough to get them here?) (CC)
TX A&M 11-1
Oregon 11-1
Alabama 11-2 (CC)
Georgia 11-2
OU 11-2
ND 11-2
Miami 10-2
UNT 11-1 (CC)

I really don't see a scenario with 3 B1G teams in the top 4, but it COULD look like this

OSU 13-0
IU 12-1
Miss 11-1
Oregon 11-1
BYU 12-1
TX A&M 11-1
Alabama 11-2
Georgia 11-2 (both losses to AL)
OU 11-2 (depends on how the tu loss is viewed)
ND 11-2
Miami 10-2 (beat ND H2H, but losses were to fairly weak competition; not sure UVA jumps them even with a win)
UNT 11-1

SLIM chance A&M and Oregon swap 4->6

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You are missing having the top 5 conference champs in there. I know you have Miami in there but they won't be a conference champ. You need ot have a spot for either UVA or someone like JMU to meet the top 5 conference champs.

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OK, if Duke wins Miami at 11. If UVA wins - UVA. UNT remains 12. UVA unlikely to jump ND or any of the SEC teams IMO

cavscout96 said:

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tylercsbn9 said:

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cavscout96 said:

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If Bama, OSU, and BYU win you have five P4 one loss teams competing for three slots

OSU 13-0 (CC)
IU 12-1
Miss 11-1
BYU 12-1 (Conference win enough to get them here?) (CC)
TX A&M 11-1
Oregon 11-1
Alabama 11-2 (CC)
Georgia 11-2
OU 11-2
ND 11-2
Miami 10-2
UNT 11-1 (CC)

I really don't see a scenario with 3 B1G teams in the top 4, but it COULD look like this

OSU 13-0
IU 12-1
Miss 11-1
Oregon 11-1
BYU 12-1
TX A&M 11-1
Alabama 11-2
Georgia 11-2 (both losses to AL)
OU 11-2 (depends on how the tu loss is viewed)
ND 11-2
Miami 10-2 (beat ND H2H, but losses were to fairly weak competition; not sure UVA jumps them even with a win)
UNT 11-1

SLIM chance A&M and Oregon swap 4->6

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You are missing having the top 5 conference champs in there. I know you have Miami in there but they won't be a conference champ. You need ot have a spot for either UVA or someone like JMU to meet the top 5 conference champs.

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OK, if Duke wins Miami at 11. If UVA wins - UVA. UNT remains 12. UVA unlikely to jump ND or any of the SEC teams IMO

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The 11 and 12 seeds will be as follows depending on results this weekend.

UVA beats Duke

11. UVA
12 Winner Tulane/UNT

Although honestly this could be flipped with UVA being 12th.

Duke beats UVA
11. Winner Tulane/UNT
12. JMU

Either scenario knocks Miami out based on how you've ranked teams. UVA doesn't have to jump any SEC team or Miami. They simply have to be one of the top 5 conference champs to qualify. If they are 20th they still get in due to being a top 5 conference champ qualifier. Perhaps you're working on last weeks rankings where Miami still had the possibility to be a conference champ but that is no longer the case.

agreed. I just meant that UVA will be 11 seed at best. (ie. not jumping SEC teams...)

If BYU wins - I think Bama has to win to stay in.

In the case of both BYU and Bama winning their respective conference championship games, I believe that Oklahoma and ND most "at risk".

IMO tommittee won't drop ND due to their "game control" (and other "unspoken factors")..

I personally believe that Ole Miss should be jettisoned in the case of a BYU upset of Texas Tech since they will not be the "same team" from Oxford that went 11-1- and the committee already has a clause that allows consideration of the loss of significant players and/or coaches in making their ranking decisions.

tylercsbn9 said:

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cavscout96 said:

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tylercsbn9 said:

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cavscout96 said:

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If Bama, OSU, and BYU win you have five P4 one loss teams competing for three slots

OSU 13-0 (CC)
IU 12-1
Miss 11-1
BYU 12-1 (Conference win enough to get them here?) (CC)
TX A&M 11-1
Oregon 11-1
Alabama 11-2 (CC)
Georgia 11-2
OU 11-2
ND 11-2
Miami 10-2
UNT 11-1 (CC)

I really don't see a scenario with 3 B1G teams in the top 4, but it COULD look like this

OSU 13-0
IU 12-1
Miss 11-1
Oregon 11-1
BYU 12-1
TX A&M 11-1
Alabama 11-2
Georgia 11-2 (both losses to AL)
OU 11-2 (depends on how the tu loss is viewed)
ND 11-2
Miami 10-2 (beat ND H2H, but losses were to fairly weak competition; not sure UVA jumps them even with a win)
UNT 11-1

SLIM chance A&M and Oregon swap 4->6

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You are missing having the top 5 conference champs in there. I know you have Miami in there but they won't be a conference champ. You need ot have a spot for either UVA or someone like JMU to meet the top 5 conference champs.

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OK, if Duke wins Miami at 11. If UVA wins - UVA. UNT remains 12. UVA unlikely to jump ND or any of the SEC teams IMO

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The 11 and 12 seeds will be as follows depending on results this weekend.

UVA beats Duke

11. UVA
12 Winner Tulane/UNT

Although honestly this could be flipped with UVA being 12th.

Duke beats UVA
11. Winner Tulane/UNT
12. JMU

Either scenario knocks Miami out based on how you've ranked teams. UVA doesn't have to jump any SEC team or Miami. They simply have to be one of the top 5 conference champs to qualify. If they are 20th they still get in due to being a top 5 conference champ qualifier. Perhaps you're working on last weeks rankings where Miami still had the possibility to be a conference champ but that is no longer the case.

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So Miami OUT altogether. UVA win - UVA in. Duke win NO ACC rep at all and JMU takes 12 and UNT/Tulane gets 11? I thought only the highest ranked G5 conference champ was a guarantee and Mia would get at-large, but maybe not.

Fanatic15...Drs2B! said:

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If BYU wins - I think Bama has to win to stay in.

In the case of both BYU and Bama winning their respective conference championship games, I believe that Oklahoma and ND most "at risk".

IMO tommittee won't drop ND due to their "game control" (and other "unspoken factors")..

I personally believe that Ole Miss should be jettisoned in the case of a BYU upset of Texas Tech since they will not be the "same team" from Oxford that went 11-1- and the committee already has a clause that allows consideration of the loss of significant players and/or coaches in making their ranking decisions.

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But would they just seed them lower or boot them altogether? I can't IMAGINE the mushroom cloud from Oxford if they're left completely out. LK would need private security for the rest of his life.

cavscout96 said:

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Fanatic15...Drs2B! said:

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If BYU wins - I think Bama has to win to stay in.

In the case of both BYU and Bama winning their respective conference championship games, I believe that Oklahoma and ND most "at risk".

IMO tommittee won't drop ND due to their "game control" (and other "unspoken factors")..

I personally believe that Ole Miss should be jettisoned in the case of a BYU upset of Texas Tech since they will not be the "same team" from Oxford that went 11-1- and the committee already has a clause that allows consideration of the loss of significant players and/or coaches in making their ranking decisions.

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But would they just seed them lower or boot them altogether? I can't IMAGINE the mushroom cloud from Oxford if they're left completely out. LK would need private security for the rest of his life.

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I was talking about who would be bumped if BYU steals a spot by beating Texas Tech and if Bama protects their spot by beating Georgia.

Committee would have to drop Oklahoma or ND OR could take an alternate path by dropping Ole Miss citing the coaching change.

cavscout96 said:

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tylercsbn9 said:

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cavscout96 said:

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tylercsbn9 said:

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cavscout96 said:

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If Bama, OSU, and BYU win you have five P4 one loss teams competing for three slots

OSU 13-0 (CC)
IU 12-1
Miss 11-1
BYU 12-1 (Conference win enough to get them here?) (CC)
TX A&M 11-1
Oregon 11-1
Alabama 11-2 (CC)
Georgia 11-2
OU 11-2
ND 11-2
Miami 10-2
UNT 11-1 (CC)

I really don't see a scenario with 3 B1G teams in the top 4, but it COULD look like this

OSU 13-0
IU 12-1
Miss 11-1
Oregon 11-1
BYU 12-1
TX A&M 11-1
Alabama 11-2
Georgia 11-2 (both losses to AL)
OU 11-2 (depends on how the tu loss is viewed)
ND 11-2
Miami 10-2 (beat ND H2H, but losses were to fairly weak competition; not sure UVA jumps them even with a win)
UNT 11-1

SLIM chance A&M and Oregon swap 4->6

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You are missing having the top 5 conference champs in there. I know you have Miami in there but they won't be a conference champ. You need ot have a spot for either UVA or someone like JMU to meet the top 5 conference champs.

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OK, if Duke wins Miami at 11. If UVA wins - UVA. UNT remains 12. UVA unlikely to jump ND or any of the SEC teams IMO

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The 11 and 12 seeds will be as follows depending on results this weekend.

UVA beats Duke

11. UVA
12 Winner Tulane/UNT

Although honestly this could be flipped with UVA being 12th.

Duke beats UVA
11. Winner Tulane/UNT
12. JMU

Either scenario knocks Miami out based on how you've ranked teams. UVA doesn't have to jump any SEC team or Miami. They simply have to be one of the top 5 conference champs to qualify. If they are 20th they still get in due to being a top 5 conference champ qualifier. Perhaps you're working on last weeks rankings where Miami still had the possibility to be a conference champ but that is no longer the case.

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So Miami OUT altogether. UVA win - UVA in. Duke win NO ACC rep at all and JMU takes 12 and UNT/Tulane gets 11? I thought only the highest ranked G5 conference champ was a guarantee and Mia would get at-large, but maybe not.

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Correct the top 5 conference champs get in.

UVA wins those champs would be

OSU/IU
UGA/Bama
Tech/BYU
Tulane/UNT
UVA

Duke win
OSU/IU
UGA/Bama
Tech/BYU
Tulane/UNT
UVA
JMU

Now what really crazy is what happens if Duke wins and JMU loses. Who the hell would be the 5th conference champ?

I also wonder if Tech loses, do they still get in? Very curioius with Bama as well if they lose. Do they still get in?

Lets say

OSU wins (although this doesn't really matter you'd just swap IU and OSU)
UGA wins
BYU wins



1. OSU 13-0
2. UGA 12-1
3. IU 12-1
4. BYU 12-1
5. Oregon 11-1
6. Miss 11-1
7. A&M 11-1
8.
9.
10.
11. Tulane/UNT winner
12. UVA/JMU

So you'd have three spots left with 4 teams competing for them. Do they punish Bama for the lose in the title game? Do they put ND over Miami? I know ND has looked good but they've played no one since week 3. OU beat Bama.

Alabama 10-3
OU 10-2
ND 10-2
Miami 10-2

My thought is Miami and OU should be in due to their head to head wins over other team on the bubble. OU has also played a somewhat touch schedule and has some good wins. Miami doesn't really have a quality win other than ND. ND's only quality win is USC. Thus for me Miami over ND.

So then you have the last spot between Bama and ND. Bama has one more lose but they had to play a conference title game. Bama has a poor lose against FSU. so they have that going against them. However they'd have more wins against top 25 teams. Really dont know which way they'd go there.

Also sweet spot would be to have the 5 seed. Then you get to play some crap 12 seed and BYU in round 2.

tylercsbn9 said:

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cavscout96 said:

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tylercsbn9 said:

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cavscout96 said:

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tylercsbn9 said:

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cavscout96 said:

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If Bama, OSU, and BYU win you have five P4 one loss teams competing for three slots

OSU 13-0 (CC)
IU 12-1
Miss 11-1
BYU 12-1 (Conference win enough to get them here?) (CC)
TX A&M 11-1
Oregon 11-1
Alabama 11-2 (CC)
Georgia 11-2
OU 11-2
ND 11-2
Miami 10-2
UNT 11-1 (CC)

I really don't see a scenario with 3 B1G teams in the top 4, but it COULD look like this

OSU 13-0
IU 12-1
Miss 11-1
Oregon 11-1
BYU 12-1
TX A&M 11-1
Alabama 11-2
Georgia 11-2 (both losses to AL)
OU 11-2 (depends on how the tu loss is viewed)
ND 11-2
Miami 10-2 (beat ND H2H, but losses were to fairly weak competition; not sure UVA jumps them even with a win)
UNT 11-1

SLIM chance A&M and Oregon swap 4->6

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You are missing having the top 5 conference champs in there. I know you have Miami in there but they won't be a conference champ. You need ot have a spot for either UVA or someone like JMU to meet the top 5 conference champs.

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OK, if Duke wins Miami at 11. If UVA wins - UVA. UNT remains 12. UVA unlikely to jump ND or any of the SEC teams IMO

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The 11 and 12 seeds will be as follows depending on results this weekend.

UVA beats Duke

11. UVA
12 Winner Tulane/UNT

Although honestly this could be flipped with UVA being 12th.

Duke beats UVA
11. Winner Tulane/UNT
12. JMU

Either scenario knocks Miami out based on how you've ranked teams. UVA doesn't have to jump any SEC team or Miami. They simply have to be one of the top 5 conference champs to qualify. If they are 20th they still get in due to being a top 5 conference champ qualifier. Perhaps you're working on last weeks rankings where Miami still had the possibility to be a conference champ but that is no longer the case.

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So Miami OUT altogether. UVA win - UVA in. Duke win NO ACC rep at all and JMU takes 12 and UNT/Tulane gets 11? I thought only the highest ranked G5 conference champ was a guarantee and Mia would get at-large, but maybe not.

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Correct the top 5 conference champs get in.

UVA wins those champs would be

OSU/IU
UGA/Bama
Tech/BYU
Tulane/UNT
UVA

Duke win
OSU/IU
UGA/Bama
Tech/BYU
Tulane/UNT
UVA
JMU

Now what really crazy is what happens if Duke wins and JMU loses. Who the hell would be the 5th conference champ?

I also wonder if Tech loses, do they still get in? Very curioius with Bama as well if they lose. Do they still get in?

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Texas Tech is in - win or lose. Committee loves them.

IMO Bama is in danger ONLY if BYU beats Texas Tech - as 3-loss Bama would then be grouped with ND and Oklahoma - three teams for 2 remaining slots. Oklahoma owns scoreboard (relatively recent) over Bama and committee appears to love ND.

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I thought only the highest ranked G5 conference champ was a guarantee and Mia would get at-large, but maybe not.

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There is no distinction between the Power 4 and the G5. It's simply auto bids to the five highest ranked conference champions of any conference.

"Does the committee join in the pity party and give OM a sweet seed and 1st RND bye or penalize them because to the coaching change? "

If necessary somebody will walk the plank to keep ND in. That will be OM since that would be within the rules. I think committee will want to send a message discouraging Coaches from abandoning CFP teams.

Committee will do whatever. They have said a loss in a championship game shouldnt hurt you....but i believe they allow a win to help you. Seems you cant have it both ways but they will find a way to do just that!

cavscout96 said:

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If Bama, OSU, and BYU win you have five P4 one loss teams competing for three slots

OSU 13-0
IU 12-1
Miss 11-1
BYU 12-1 (Conference win enough to get them here?)
TX A&M 11-1
Oregon 11-1
Alabama 11-2
Georgia 11-2
OU 11-2
ND 11-2
Miami 10-2
UNT 11-1

I really don't see a scenario with 3 B1G teams in the top 4, but it COULD look like this

OSU 13-0
IU 12-1
Miss 11-1
Oregon 11-1
BYU 12-1
TX A&M 11-1
Alabama 11-2
Georgia 11-2 (both losses to AL)
OU 11-2 (depends on how the tu loss is viewed)
ND 11-2
Miami 10-2 (beat ND H2H, but losses were to fairly weak competition; not sure UVA jumps them even with a win)
UNT 11-1

SLIM chance A&M and Oregon swap 4->6

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ND can't get to 11-2.
OU can't get to 11-2.

SMDH....

tt is in.

12thMan9 said:

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cavscout96 said:

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If Bama, OSU, and BYU win you have five P4 one loss teams competing for three slots

OSU 13-0
IU 12-1
Miss 11-1
BYU 12-1 (Conference win enough to get them here?)
TX A&M 11-1
Oregon 11-1
Alabama 11-2
Georgia 11-2
OU 11-2
ND 11-2
Miami 10-2
UNT 11-1

I really don't see a scenario with 3 B1G teams in the top 4, but it COULD look like this

OSU 13-0
IU 12-1
Miss 11-1
Oregon 11-1
BYU 12-1
TX A&M 11-1
Alabama 11-2
Georgia 11-2 (both losses to AL)
OU 11-2 (depends on how the tu loss is viewed)
ND 11-2
Miami 10-2 (beat ND H2H, but losses were to fairly weak competition; not sure UVA jumps them even with a win)
UNT 11-1

SLIM chance A&M and Oregon swap 4->6

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ND can't get to 11-2.
OU can't get to 11-2.

SMDH....

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10-2. My mistake.

Byu would have to take a bon championship teams spot. Probably Notre dame.

1. Osu
2. Iu
3. Oregon
4. Uga
5. Tech
6. Ole miss
7. Tamu
8. Ou
9. Bama
10. Byu
11. Virginia
12. Tulane

Bama is already Ranked 10th. A win by them won't boot anybody.

Who?mikejones! said:

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Byu would have to take a bon championship teams spot. Probably Notre dame.

1. Osu
2. Iu
3. Oregon
4. Uga
5. Tech
6. Ole miss
7. Tamu
8. Ou
9. Bama
10. Byu
11. Virginia
12. Tulane

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Byu doesnt get in with a loss to tech. Tech would get in with s loss, but not as a 5 seed .

I agree Notre Dame would be the team out. The odds makers also agree.

ND -375
Alabama -2000

RoadkillBBQ said:

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The fact there is any rerankings after the conference championship games shows a flaw in the system. You simply cannot have teams risking a playoff spot by playing a 13th game while others sit out risking little to nothing. Either do away with conference championship games or do the final playoff seedings at the end of the regular season.

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CCG results should just move the CCG teams. Swap their positions if the underdog wins. Leave as is if the favorite wins. (Assuming favorite is ranked higher)

Maroon Flash said:

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"Does the committee join in the pity party and give OM a sweet seed and 1st RND bye or penalize them because to the coaching change? "

If necessary somebody will walk the plank to keep ND in. That will be OM since that would be within the rules. I think committee will want to send a message discouraging Coaches from abandoning CFP teams.

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Agree. I would not be surprised at all if the committee punishes HCs for abandoning a playoff team because it really messes things up for everyone. OM deserves to get in for their body of work but at the same time you can't pretend a team in such turmoil can be fairly seeded

BMX Bandit said:

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I agree Notre Dame would be the team out. The odds makers also agree.

ND -375
Alabama -2000

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This is confirmed now.

Irish out if BYU wins