This is where the downfall of the last 2 coaches started to occur....losing top assistants and not being able to replenish..neither coach could recover. Sumlin lost Kliff and Fisher lost (of all people) Elko. So this is another area where Elko can differentiate...gonna earn that $11 million for sure...
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Evidently word on the street is we are promoting a guy who has never called plays before. Bold move
It's a huge decision for sure. I thought Sumlin promoting McKinney was better than what we ended up with when he replaced him with Spavital.
It's going to be wiggins(sadly)
Jbob04 said:
Evidently word on the street is we are promoting a guy who has never called plays before. Bold move
Georgia hired Kirby Smart, who had never been a head coach before. Just saying.
I avoid temptation unless I can’t resist it.
That's a bit different than hiring a play caller who has never called plays before. Hopefully he learns quickly
Yeah but everyone knew he was ripe for a HC job. He had been for a couple years before he went to Georgia.
In today's environment everyone is being promoted before they are ready. Even in the NFL.
In today's environment everyone is being promoted before they are ready. Even in the NFL.
I'm ok with Wiggins if Elko thinks he's ready for the OC position. He was listed as Co-Coordinator under Klein and he was an Assistant HC/WR under Saban at Bama. And he's done a phenomenal job with our WRs the last two years.
JROD9398 said:
This is where the downfall of the last 2 coaches started to occur....losing top assistants and not being able to replenish..neither coach could recover. Sumlin lost Kliff and Fisher lost (of all people) Elko. So this is another area where Elko can differentiate...gonna earn that $11 million for sure...
Honestly Durkin was not a bad hire for Jimbo and was not the reason for his ultimate failure.
We have taken multiple approaches to coordinator hires with varying results for all types of hires.
Year
Coordinator Name
Total Offense Ranking
2024
Collin Klein
50th
2023
Bobby Petrino
54th
2022
Darrell Dickey
93rd
2021
Darrell Dickey
63rd
2020
Darrell Dickey
30th
2019
Darrell Dickey
70th
2018
Darrell Dickey
15th
2017
Noel Mazzone
45th
2016
Noel Mazzone
23rd
2015
Jake Spavital
50th
2014
Jake Spavital
62nd
2013
Clarence McKinney/Jake Spavital
4th
2012
Kliff Kingsbury
3rd
2011
Kliff Kingsbury
7th
2010
Mike Sherman
18th
Year
Coordinator Name
Total Defense Ranking
2024
Jay Bateman
35th
2023
D.J. Durkin
19th
2022
D.J. Durkin
51st
2021
Mike Elko
14th
2020
Mike Elko
9th
2019
Mike Elko
29th
2018
Mike Elko
32nd
2017
John Chavis
79th
2016
John Chavis
93rd
2015
John Chavis
51st
2014
Mark Snyder
102nd
2013
Mark Snyder
109th
2012
Mark Snyder
51st
2011
Tim DeRuyter
50th
2010
Tim DeRuyter
102nd
sincereag said:
I'm ok with Wiggins if Elko thinks he's ready for the OC position. He was listed as Co-Coordinator under Klein and he was an Assistant HC/WR under Saban at Bama. And he's done a phenomenal job with our WRs the last two years.
We should not be a learn on the job type program. Elko needs to conduct a nationwide search to find the best possible OC that has a record of success. That is what elite programs do.
Exactly. Nailed it
I'd be disappointed if its Wiggins. He's been a position coach for 20 years. That's a long time to never be responsible for running an offense.
Jbob04 said:
That's a bit different than hiring a play caller who has never called plays before. Hopefully he learns quickly
Yes, its more risky
TexasAggie_97 said:sincereag said:
I'm ok with Wiggins if Elko thinks he's ready for the OC position. He was listed as Co-Coordinator under Klein and he was an Assistant HC/WR under Saban at Bama. And he's done a phenomenal job with our WRs the last two years.
We should not be a learn on the job type program. Elko needs to conduct a nationwide search to find the best possible OC that has a record of success. That is what elite programs do.
Might want to research who the OC is for Ohio State.
TexasAggie_97 said:sincereag said:
I'm ok with Wiggins if Elko thinks he's ready for the OC position. He was listed as Co-Coordinator under Klein and he was an Assistant HC/WR under Saban at Bama. And he's done a phenomenal job with our WRs the last two years.
We should not be a learn on the job type program. Elko needs to conduct a nationwide search to find the best possible OC that has a record of success. That is what elite programs do.
Brian Hartline learned on the job. Posts like this as if every situation is black and white are so stupid.
What's 'NZone' Mazzone up to?
Well he's been coaching a little more than 20 years. At this point, he's either ready to be a coordinator, or it ain't gonna happen.
He may turn out better than you think.
He may turn out better than you think.
Per premium, it's Wiggins. A major football program with a **** ton of money giving the keys to a guy who is still using training wheels is no surprise honestly.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/football/three-calls-mike-elko-must-immediately-make-to-replace-collin-klein-as-a-m-oc/ar-AA1RDu1x
Don't think any of these 3 would come nor really on the list...but opinions already forming on who to hire.
Don't think any of these 3 would come nor really on the list...but opinions already forming on who to hire.
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Logos Stick said:
Per premium, it's Wiggins. A major football program with a **** ton of money giving the keys to a guy who is still using training wheels is no surprise honestly.
LOL!!
You are the world, we are the USA, don't mess with us and we won't blow your $hit away.
Bunk Moreland said:TexasAggie_97 said:sincereag said:
I'm ok with Wiggins if Elko thinks he's ready for the OC position. He was listed as Co-Coordinator under Klein and he was an Assistant HC/WR under Saban at Bama. And he's done a phenomenal job with our WRs the last two years.
We should not be a learn on the job type program. Elko needs to conduct a nationwide search to find the best possible OC that has a record of success. That is what elite programs do.
Brian Hartline learned on the job. Posts like this as if every situation is black and white are so stupid.
Congrats, you found an example that doesn't prove the rule.
Elko just got more money for assistants. Keep Wiggins as co-oc
All great head coaches know how to handle coordinator turnover. Look at Saban, Smart, Day, etc...; they have gone through a lot of coordinator turnover but it doesn't matter; they select the right coordinators and manage them to perform up to expectation.
I've never been on a coaching staff, but it seems to me that being a coordinator means making quick decisions under pressure, which is not a skill you develop as a position coach. I'd like to see someone with a proven track record in that role.
Think Coach Troop might be up for this? Is he potentially ready?
If its Wiggins (and sounds like it is) then do we hire an actual QB Coach to help develop the whole group?
No its not LOL.TexasAggie_97 said:
Elko needs to conduct a nationwide search to find the best possible OC that has a record of success. That is what elite programs do.
These coaches all network and talk. There is no "nationwide search."
Doesn't sound like there was a search at all if you promote a 20 year position coach.
Kevin Johns was his OC at Duke….Just a thought.
Elko needs to do better than last time. He completely failed on his choice for DC. And on OC, I'd give that a B- at best. Go hire someone proven elite who'd be a A hire.
well it ain't going to be someone unproven as playcaller.Mega Lops said:No its not LOL.TexasAggie_97 said:
Elko needs to conduct a nationwide search to find the best possible OC that has a record of success. That is what elite programs do.
These coaches all network and talk. There is no "nationwide search."
Ag1188 said:
Elko needs to do better than last time. He completely failed on his choice for DC. And on OC, I'd give that a B- at best. Go hire someone proven elite who'd be a A hire.
Yeah. I mean we could barely stay in the top 3 for most of the year. Now we have to host a home game in the playoffs. Big fail.
"You may all go to hell, and I will go to Aggieland!" -Davy Crockett
I think the downfall of both was less failing to replace coaches that left as much as refusing to make changes when replacement coaches had questionable processes and poor results. Being smug about running 3 DL sets with a stacked room of elite DL or about questionable blocking schemes that saw players regress and the OL consistently struggle with missed assignments are the first examples that come to mind.
Chip Kelly, Bobby Petrino, Billy Napier to name a few are all available and are proven to not only run good offenses but can run a team. I wouldn't mind someone that has some skins to challenge Elko when he gets too conservative offensively.
Also just becuase they are failed as HC doesn't mean they can't run a good offense. KK for example.
Also just becuase they are failed as HC doesn't mean they can't run a good offense. KK for example.
Elko just signed extension and rec'd more money for asst coaches and has more control. He can totally decide and either hit a home run or mess up the hire. Only time will tell.
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