Ksu and Iowa st kinda make sense. No coach, transfer portal, etc etc.

If you are going to continue to have tie breakers for conference title games go to the highest ranked teams. This eliminates the issue like the ACC had this year. Miami would have gotten in based on that and Notre Dame takes a slot.

12 teams is a good number. We need to start being real about the number 12 spot and the arguments over who gets in and who gets left out, and the reality is it doesn't matter. The 12 seed has virtually zero chance of winning the national title, nor do the first teams left out, but there's this attitude that every team in the playoff is a national title contender. They are not. Realistically, the 9-12 seeds will almost never be. The whole point of having 12 teams in the playoff is to ensure all the teams that have a legit shot at winning the natty have a spot. Since the number of legit contenders varies from year to year, the playoff has to extend just far enough down the rankings to ensure each of those teams is included every year and that means there will always be a few teams at the bottom of the playoff who don't really need to be there. Four teams is too small because the 5th ranked team frequently would have a serious shot of winning it all. Eight teams is too small because there are occasionally 9th ranked teams that could make a legit argument for deserving to be in the playoff. At 12 teams, anyone getting left out is not a serious championship contender and has no realistic chance of winning it all. So when Notre Dame or tu complains about being left out, there shouldn't be discussions about the system being flawed because that just encourages whining from entitled programs that had no chance at winning the championship anyway. Any arguments from teams ranked in the teens that they are somehow national championship contenders should be met with such derision and contempt that it becomes one of those embarrassing things teams just don't do.

TXAG 05 said:

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Farmer_J said:

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How do you determine the top 12 teams? Thats the problem.

Expand auto bids, expand the playoffs. Let's play and see who's the best.

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Playoffs too big as it is. Expanding is just dumb

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I think teams 11 and 12 should have to play the week after championship week against the 2 auto bid nobodies. Then if the low level schools can pull off a miracle against them, they can take their spot in the rest of the playoffs.

AustinAg2K said:

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The auto-bids for conference champions is what is causing the problem. If you just take the top 12 teams, then the difference between #6 and #7 isn't really a big deal. Both schools would be playing good teams. Sure, the #13 team would be pissed, but at #13 you're not going to win it all. You might be able to pull off an upset, but that's really it. Forcing teams into the playoff is what makes everything fall apart.

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You expand to 16 no byes.
Top 4 highest ranked Conference champs play and host 13~16.

Perk of Conf Champ is guaranteed hosting and an "easier opponent". Let them choose their times lot as well with #1 getting first pick of the following. Networks then bid for those available timeslots, so the money crew gets its take.
2x 11am Games Sat
2x 2:30 Games Sat
1x 6:00 Game Sat
1x 8:00 Game Sat (for east coast potential grab)
2x 6:30 Game Friday

This would be
1. Indiana
2. Georgia
3. Tech
4. Tulane? (Virginia if they had won)
Then follow down as currently ranked to get 5 to 16.

Normally Tulane wouldn't be in if the ACC didnt suck. No G5 of help as Tulane likely sneaks in around 14~16 anyways.
But removes the bias towards conferences and little movement of teams like Bama or OSU etc.

Makes Conf Champs worth playing to gain the home field advantage, and choosing kickoff time.

Ditch auto bids.
Ditch conference championship games.
Expand to 16 (nobody needs a month off)

Some G5 teams might be in the top 16 occasionally. So be it.

EngrAg14 said:

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AustinAg2K said:

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The auto-bids for conference champions is what is causing the problem. If you just take the top 12 teams, then the difference between #6 and #7 isn't really a big deal. Both schools would be playing good teams. Sure, the #13 team would be pissed, but at #13 you're not going to win it all. You might be able to pull off an upset, but that's really it. Forcing teams into the playoff is what makes everything fall apart.

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You expand to 16 no byes.
Top 4 highest ranked Conference champs play and host 13~16.

Perk of Conf Champ is guaranteed hosting and an "easier opponent". Let them choose their times lot as well with #1 getting first pick of the following. Networks then bid for those available timeslots, so the money crew gets its take.
2x 11am Games Sat
2x 2:30 Games Sat
1x 6:00 Game Sat
1x 8:00 Game Sat (for east coast potential grab)
2x 6:30 Game Friday

This would be
1. Indiana
2. Georgia
3. Tech
4. Tulane? (Virginia if they had won)
Then follow down as currently ranked to get 5 to 16.

Normally Tulane wouldn't be in if the ACC didnt suck. No G5 of help as Tulane likely sneaks in around 14~16 anyways.
But removes the bias towards conferences and little movement of teams like Bama or OSU etc.

Makes Conf Champs worth playing to gain the home field advantage, and choosing kickoff time.

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Seeds 13-16 would be Vandy, BYU, ND and Duke?

He is Ass My Dude said:

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You're debating with people that don't understand competition.

When the CFB season is over, they watch figure skating, gymnastics, synchronized swimming, diving, and cheerleading.

They are convinced opinions matter more than letting competitors prove it.

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I love the competition of the body of the full season. The more you expand the playoffs, the more you move towards participation trophies and away from competition.

Too much disparity in the path to winning the championship, so at least make it really difficult to be given a seat at the table with free seats handed out.

My opinion.. this year.. there are 3 - 6 (at most teams) that deserve to be crowned champion based on what they've done over the past several months. But alas, there are 6 extras that get one last shot to come out a king. The further you expand, the more you allow weakness into the field of "competition".

HoustonAg2106 said:

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Wabs said:

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Get rid of including the G5

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This.

Tulane already got spanked by Ole Miss this season, it's basically a bye for the 5 and 6 seeds

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I agree, 12 could be the magic number, just drop auto bids and g5 inclusion, take the 12 best teams.

I would also like them to start earlier, hate this waiting around crap

AustinAg2K said:

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The auto-bids for conference champions is what is causing the problem. If you just take the top 12 teams, then the difference between #6 and #7 isn't really a big deal. Both schools would be playing good teams. Sure, the #13 team would be pissed, but at #13 you're not going to win it all. You might be able to pull off an upset, but that's really it. Forcing teams into the playoff is what makes everything fall apart.

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Don't tell the t sips that 13 isn't going to win it all.

The Ghost of Johnny said:

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Get rid of conference championship games

Fify

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True. Eliminating the CCG's is the secret solution. Not enough people are saying it. The games serve no purpose and at the same time cause controversy. We will be substituting in the CFP's and substituting out the CCG's. Great.

A. G. Pennypacker said:

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TXAG 05 said:

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Farmer_J said:

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How do you determine the top 12 teams? Thats the problem.

Expand auto bids, expand the playoffs. Let's play and see who's the best.

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Playoffs too big as it is. Expanding is just dumb

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I think 12 teams is about right - if you get rid of the forced G5 team bid. Notre Dame probably should be in. Their odds for winning it all were better than ours

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Or Notre Dame could just join the ACC in football. They should not be rewarded for independent in just the one sport because they do not want to share their TV deal. I understand them taking the money, but if this is the consequence, so be it.

They are already in the ACC for every sport but football and hockey (Big Ten affiliated). They play an ACC affiliate football schedule, but do not have to play in a CCG.

Rectitude said:

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The Ghost of Johnny said:

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Get rid of conference championship games

Fify

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True. Eliminating the CCG's is the secret solution. Not enough people are saying it. The games serve no purpose and at the same time cause controversy. We will be substituting in the CFP's and substituting out the CCG's. Great.

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Enough people aren't saying it because it is wrong.


Get rid of the Bowl game affiliations in the non-championship CFP playoff games. Bowl games in the playoffs diminish the value of the regular season and CCG. The problem isn't the CCG, it's the neutral site playoff games (excluding championship game)



Indiana going undefeated in the Big Ten and winning the CCG now means 0 home playoff games and potentially 3 trips for their fans, ranging from Pasadena to Miami.


The reward for Ga and Indiana for winning their CCG should be home-field advantage throughout the playoffs until the championship game.

boyfriend said:

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I agree the games with G5 teams are always going to suck and be blowouts. This isn't college basketball and there won't be any Cinderella teams from the G5 winning a title. But if you do away with the AQ then G5 teams will never make the playoffs so perhaps they should just break away and have their own tournament.

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It's coming. Snails pace, but coming.

Farmer_J said:

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How do you determine the top 12 teams? Thats the problem.

Expand auto bids, expand the playoffs. Let's play and see who's the best.

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Easy. You go to an 8 team playoff:

These 4 conferences play conf. championship games. There's your 8 team playoff. Winners of the championship games play the semifinals and national championship game.

SEC
Big12
Big10
ACC

Notre Dame and all the remaining lesser conferences play their own "Tier 2" playoffs.

HoustonAg2106 said:

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Wabs said:

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Get rid of including the G5

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This.

Tulane already got spanked by Ole Miss this season, it's basically a bye for the 5 and 6 seeds

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exactly

Well let's face it. Tulane and James Madison were DEI picks