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But for what it's worth, I watched a full day of football last Saturday. Every game. And I didn't see scores for Nebraska, Colorado (who is still in the Big 12, btw), Missouri, A&M, Texas or OU go scrolling by.

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Tulane and north Texas also played that. Playing a G7 conference championship game isn't a flex.

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Yes, Auburn would have won the Big 12. You haven't faced a defense even half as good as Auburn's all year. You could barely move the ball on 2* mormons.. you would get crushed by Auburn and Florida.

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And yet here we are. Which validates completely the entire point of my post.

That said - I don't really understand what you mean by "barely move the ball". You mean that in the two times we played, the 63-14 combined score and 744 combined yards against the #12 team constitutes "barely moving the ball"?

Interesting assessment.

Tech practices against a defense better than Auburn or Florida, for whatever it's worth.

Why do y'all do this? Why denigrate a team that you haven't played against in over a decade, and have no plans to play at all? A fellow team from Texas no less? If we are as bad as you say we are, it will all get sorted out anyway. It's not like anything Tech is doing is hurting A&M in any way at all. I don't get it.

But okay. Have fun.

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But for what it's worth, I watched a full day of football last Saturday. Every game. And I didn't see scores for Nebraska, Colorado (who is still in the Big 12, btw), Missouri, A&M, Texas or OU go scrolling by.

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Tulane and north Texas also played that. Playing a G7 conference championship game isn't a flex.

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Convince the CFP committee to agree with you and you're all set. Should be no problem at all since the SEC sets the policies and makes the rules.

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But for what it's worth, I watched a full day of football last Saturday. Every game. And I didn't see scores for Nebraska, Colorado (who is still in the Big 12, btw), Missouri, A&M, Texas or OU go scrolling by.

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Tulane and north Texas also played that. Playing a G7 conference championship game isn't a flex.

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Convince the CFP committee to agree with you and you're all set. Should be no problem at all since the SEC sets the policies and makes the rules.

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They will. Mommy and daddy are currently discussing the changes going forward.

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Why do y'all do this? Why denigrate a team that you haven't played against in over a decade, and have no plans to play at all? A fellow team from Texas no less? If we are as bad as you say we are, it will all get sorted out anyway. It's not like anything Tech is doing is hurting A&M in any way at all. I don't get it.

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Because the BIG/SEC including anyone else is a waste of time.

And this is our board. Why are YOU here begging for validation?

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Can we go back to the Big 12 and go to the playoffs every year?

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You forgot and be irrelevant and broke.

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How much does conference affiliation matter in the NIL/transfer portal era? If the goal is making the playoffs every year then isn't it logical to take the path of least resistance like tech or ND? The conference games in the big12 would suck but you wouldn't be irrelevant if you make the playoffs more years than not. Tech hasn't had this much success since coach Leach.

CFB is still in transition, maybe we'll all be in a 40 team super conference soon and tech and ND won't be able to benefit from weaker opposition. But until then they have a big advantage.

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The difference in conference money is felt over multiple years, not just one. There is a reason FSU and Clemson are desperate to get out of the ACC for the SEC or B1G. The are feeling what it's like to be severely behind in revenue. Tech is only benefitting this year because of an insanely wealthy donor. But that donor can't beat ESPN money over the course of a decade. And donor interest is going to waver if they keep spending tens of millions only to fall short in the playoffs again and again. What they're doing is impressive, but not sustainable.

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Well the math says that Cody Campbell could take his 3 billion in cash and fund a $25 million roster for Tech for the next 120 years.

They are in the big 12. They have no say over their scheduling for the most part. Those are the teams that are in the conference now.

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They are in the big 12. They have no say over their scheduling for the most part. Those are the teams that are in the conference now.

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this fact changes nothing

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"Deep playoff runs"

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Tech is most likely playing the #3 team from the B1G, fifth ranked Oregon in the quarterfinals. A&M is playing the tenth ranked sympathy pick from the ACC in the first round.

Care to define what constitutes a "deep playoff run" before the games start?

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well, they currently have a fastpass for a playoff bye each year.

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I don't think the BIG/SEC will allow that much longer and they make the rules.

There's also no guarantee the 12 team format with byes survives after this year

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"There's also no guarantee the 12 team format with byes survives after this year."

The 2025 CFP process is already in the ash heap.

However, another Frankenstein ratings monster will be created, and it will likely seek to minimize criticism by expanding the playoffs to a large number of teams that will result in both producing very large revenues from a "second season" and enabling the second-tier programs to be included. One farce will replace another.

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They are in the big 12. They have no say over their scheduling for the most part. Those are the teams that are in the conference now.

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Well, it kind of does because they don't have a choice of what teams they get to play in their conference.

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Why do y'all do this? Why denigrate a team that you haven't played against in over a decade, and have no plans to play at all? A fellow team from Texas no less? If we are as bad as you say we are, it will all get sorted out anyway. It's not like anything Tech is doing is hurting A&M in any way at all. I don't get it.

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Because the BIG/SEC including anyone else is a waste of time.

And this is our board. Why are YOU here begging for validation?

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I've been on TexAgs for 15 years. Mostly I've posted on the Outdoors and Religion & Philosophy boards, and recently on the Old Rivalries board. TexAgs is an excellent forum. And I have lots of friends and family that are Ags.

I am posting here because (1) the Zoo is entertaining, and (2) this thread is about Tech, which A&M hasn't played in 14 years, but I am a Tech fan and I find it interesting. I stay out of other threads for the most part.

I think it's funny that you feel I am seeking any validation, but that's fine. I'm almost 60 years old and quit caring about that sort of thing a long time ago.

I'm just here discussing the mess that college football has become with some fellow fans, and pining for days gone by as we old guys are prone to do from time to time. But just so I'm clear, and I want to be really clear on this, I don't care what you think about Tech. I wonder why you hate it so and feel compelled to treat Tech fans like ****, but that's more me wondering about your character than being concerned how you feel.

Enjoy your day, fellow Texan. I sincerely hope A&M gives Miami the business and makes it all the way to the final.

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However, another Frankenstein ratings monster will be created, and it will likely seek to minimize criticism by expanding the playoffs to a large number of teams that will result in both producing very large revenues from a "second season" and enabling the second-tier programs to be included. One farce will replace another.

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Can we go back to the Big 12 and go to the playoffs every year?

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The SEC and Big 10 are the primary power brokers calling the shots on how the college playoff evolves.

Do you want to be in one of the lesser conferences with a lot less power and live by Big 10 and SEC always tweaking the system to benefit them, or be in one of those two power conferences calling the shots?


For example, this year Big 12 got 1 school in 12-team playoff. SEC got FIVE.

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Enjoy your day, fellow Texan. I sincerely hope A&M gives Miami the business and makes it all the way to the final.

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I hope tech loses by 30. The campus burns to the ground and loses accreditation. Then we transfer the panhandle to New Mexico while retaining the mineral rights.

Get help.

You should see what I want for the sips

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No, they don't. You are making that argument / supposition based entirely on stats accumulated by playing a JV schedule. BYU is the 2nd best team in the Big 12 and in my estimation is probably about as good as Kentucky or lsu, which would make them about 10th in the SEC. Techs BEST non-conference win is vs a team that also lost to Sam Houston State….

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No, they don't. You are making that argument / supposition based entirely on stats accumulated by playing a JV schedule. BYU is the 2nd best team in the Big 12 and in my estimation is probably about as good as Kentucky or lsu, which would make them about 10th in the SEC. Techs BEST non-conference win is vs a team that also lost to Sam Houston State….

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Yeah, they do. Tech will have more All-Americans on defense than any other team in the nation, and it won't be close. Athlon, NYT, SI, ESPN, CBS, take your choice. Tech loaded up in the portal. It made big news. This has nothing to do with the Big 12. Tech is elite on defense.

Here's PFF:

https://www.youtube.com/live/7PfutXaVLJc?si=3o15aVzPjMj0PsM-&t=2698

Specifically Big 12, even if playoff expansion the SEC and Big 10 will always make sure they gobble up the largest share of the playoff bids.

In a 12-Team playoff, The Big 12 with 16 teams will always be a 1 maybe 2 bid league at most. The SEC with 16 teams will always be a 4-6 bid league. Playoff expansion would still continue to favor Big 10 and SEC as they make sure more of their teams get in.

So sure, competition is easier in Big 12 but the margin of error is also a lot smaller. Basically, you better win that conference or at least finish second in it to make the playoffs. Otherwise, bye bye.

No, I wouldn't want A&M in the Big 12.

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No, they don't. You are making that argument / supposition based entirely on stats accumulated by playing a JV schedule. BYU is the 2nd best team in the Big 12 and in my estimation is probably about as good as Kentucky or lsu, which would make them about 10th in the SEC. Techs BEST non-conference win is vs a team that also lost to Sam Houston State….

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Specifically Big 12, even if playoff expansion the SEC and Big 10 will always make sure they gobble up the largest share of the playoff bids.

In a 12-Team playoff, The Big 12 with 16 teams will always be a 1 maybe 2 bid league at most. The SEC with 16 teams will always be a 4-6 bid league. Playoff expansion would still continue to favor Big 10 and SEC as they make sure more of their teams get in.

So sure, competition is easier in Big 12 but the margin of error is also a lot smaller. Basically, you better win that conference or at least finish second in it to make the playoffs. Otherwise, bye bye.

No, I wouldn't want A&M in the Big 12.

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I don't want A&M in the big12 either but it's not easier to make the playoffs in the SEC. There are 11 SEC teams (+Vandy currently) spending at the level to reach the playoffs. 11 teams are competing for 4 spots on avg. A lot of really expensive rosters in the SEC this year ended up with bad records and fired coaches. Only Msst, UK, Ark, South Carolina and historically Vandy are not competing to win the conference or make the playoffs.

Eight SEC rosters are above the blue-chip ratio which is approx. 15 teams nationally a season that have the talent to win the national championship. Moving forward with 9 conference games, the playoff committee is going to have to change their metrics and actually factor in strength of schedule or the SEC will get screwed.

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No, they don't. You are making that argument / supposition based entirely on stats accumulated by playing a JV schedule. BYU is the 2nd best team in the Big 12 and in my estimation is probably about as good as Kentucky or lsu, which would make them about 10th in the SEC. Techs BEST non-conference win is vs a team that also lost to Sam Houston State….

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Yeah, they do. Tech will have more All-Americans on defense than any other team in the nation, and it won't be close. Athlon, NYT, SI, ESPN, CBS, take your choice. Tech loaded up in the portal. It made big news. This has nothing to do with the Big 12. Tech is elite on defense.

Here's PFF:

https://www.youtube.com/live/7PfutXaVLJc?si=3o15aVzPjMj0PsM-&t=2698

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You keep having to rely on opinions rather than actual metrics.

Your defense has played air. No one knows how good they are.

Oh and Ohio State has 4 first rounders on their defense. That's elite. Tech has one.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2026-nfl-mock-draft-updated-first-round/

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Yes, Auburn would have won the Big 12. You haven't faced a defense even half as good as Auburn's all year. You could barely move the ball on 2* mormons.. you would get crushed by Auburn and Florida.

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And yet here we are. Which validates completely the entire point of my post.

That said - I don't really understand what you mean by "barely move the ball". You mean that in the two times we played, the 63-14 combined score and 744 combined yards against the #12 team constitutes "barely moving the ball"?

Interesting assessment.

Tech practices against a defense better than Auburn or Florida, for whatever it's worth.

Why do y'all do this? Why denigrate a team that you haven't played against in over a decade, and have no plans to play at all? A fellow team from Texas no less? If we are as bad as you say we are, it will all get sorted out anyway. It's not like anything Tech is doing is hurting A&M in any way at all. I don't get it.

But okay. Have fun.

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We remember the Big XII years and the pirate. GFY

Why join the Big 12 when better yet let's go to a G5 conference and compete against schools like James Madison for the conference title, go 12-0 every single year yawning until the playoffs! All we need is a billionaire alumni to write checks every year for tens of millions of dollars (or much more!) to make up for the reduced fan interest, a tiny conference payout, and also so we can dramatically overplay players so that they will willing to come play in a lesser conference in glorified scrimmages.

If tech loses their opener to Oregon the Big 12 should be dropped down to G5 status. Have any of the current big 12 ever won a playoff game? At a minimum the big 12 should be limited to one bid and seeded lower that they are this year. Tech should at least try to schedule 1 decent game.

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If tech loses their opener to Oregon the Big 12 should be dropped down to G5 status. Have any of the current big 12 ever won a playoff game? At a minimum the big 12 should be limited to one bid and seeded lower that they are this year. Tech should at least try to schedule 1 decent game.

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TCU made the 4-team playoff in 2023 (just 2 years ago) and won the semi-final vs Michigan to get to the National Championship game. Then their Cinderella season got destroyed by Georgia 65-7.

I do think this Tech team feels a bit better put together than that TCU team felt. But this is not the first time a a Big 12 school from Texas got into the playoffs. TCU did it just 2 years ago when OU and the horns were still in that conference.

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If tech loses their opener to Oregon the Big 12 should be dropped down to G5 status. Have any of the current big 12 ever won a playoff game? At a minimum the big 12 should be limited to one bid and seeded lower that they are this year. Tech should at least try to schedule 1 decent game.

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Wasn't Texas the only SEC team to win a playoff game last year? If I recall, they also needed some shady ref calls to survive the Big 12 rep, lol.

They'll go 8-4. Just watch

Iron sharpens iron. A puffy soft schedule like this doesn't identify critical areas that need to be shored up, leading to the first decent team you are playing blowing you out.

Think about just how boring that schedule would be as a season ticket holder.

" Why denigrate a team that you haven't played against in over a decade, and have no plans to play at all?"

You obviously haven't had to live around them and work with the west Texas techtard fans.

Techtards make it a point to very rudely try to denigrate Aggies in any they can in any setting. There is no sportsmanlike courtesy whatsoever shown.

So yeah I will denigrate the Techtards, they deserve it.

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" Why denigrate a team that you haven't played against in over a decade, and have no plans to play at all?"

You obviously haven't had to live around them and work with the west Texas techtard fans.

Techtards make it a point to very rudely try to denigrate Aggies in any they can in any setting. There is no sportsmanlike courtesy whatsoever shown.

So yeah I will denigrate the Techtards, they deserve it.

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A great myth is that west Texas is super friendly. As someone who grew up in Amarillo for 20 years, that perception is overrated for sure. That includes the tards back then that were just so obnoxious. Ultra conservatives stuck in a tiny bubble of reality.

So we are to believe conferences that lost major programs and replaced them with lesser are the same SOS...I don't buy it. I think Sark has it right in the SEC and Big 10, the two conferences that got stronger in re-alignment, shouldn't have to schedule a premier OOC game. The conference schedule is enough. I think the ACC, and Big 12 should take a 1 loss valuation to the SEC and Big 10. Meaning a 12-0 Big 12 team = a 11-1 SEC team. G5s should take a 2 loss valuation. 12-0 JMU = 10-2 SEC. I think that is closer to fair and levels things out more. Tech having a bye after only facing Utah teams of any strength is a joke, I think as much of a joke as JMU and Tulane being in the playoffs (I know the conference champ rule, still dumb). The top 4 seeds should have been 2 Big 10 and two SEC. Ole Miss or A&M should have been 4 and Tech 5.

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They are in the big 12. They have no say over their scheduling for the most part. Those are the teams that are in the conference now.

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my issue is not that they play in a weak conference, one they will dominate for the next decade, my issue is that this is not all apples to apples, tech lost one game to a team that lost to one of the worst teams in the SEC.

While the SEC moves to a 9 game schedule + one power 4 opponent Tech is almost guaranteed a spot in the playoffs, most likely a bye for the foreseeable future.

The truth is starting next year a 3 loss SEC team, of which there will be several, would have dog walked the Big 12 schedule. The trick is how to rate these teams according to this fact

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my issue is not that they play in a weak conference, one they will dominate for the next decade, my issue is that this is not all apples to apples, tech lost one game to a team that lost to one of the worst teams in the SEC.

While the SEC moves to a 9 game schedule + one power 4 opponent Tech is almost guaranteed a spot in the playoffs, most likely a bye for the foreseeable future.

The truth is starting next year a 3 loss SEC team, of which there will be several, would have dog walked the Big 12 schedule. The trick is how to rate these teams according to this fact

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Auburn & Miss St had a combined 2-14 record in the SEC. Yet magically went 2-0 against the Big 12 this year.

If Auburn or Miss St had Tech's schedule next year, they would do very well and fans and the committee would be saying, "Wow, Auburn/Miss St improved so much!" When in reality they didn't improve at all and are still that 1-7 SEC team that now just played a sh*t schedule.