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TheRatt87
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8:50a, 12/27/25
After the Miami loss, Elko said the following about Reed - "There's a lot of room for development and growth from him. I think he saw major strides this year."

Last year, he started 8 games and completed 61.3% with 15 tds & 6 ints. This year, he started 13 games and completed 62.1% with 25 tds and 12 ints.

So the major strides were increasing his completion percentage by less than 1% and decreasing his td/int ratio from 2.5 to 2.1?

That's not growth. That's actually very consistent. And not consistently elite. Reed's primary issue is inaccuracy, and it hasn't improved in almost 2 full seasons as QB1. Wishful thinking to expect anything different next year.
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In reply to TheRatt87 • 8:56a, 12/27/25
Reed was asked to do a ton more in the passing game this year, specifically vertically. If you can't see how we treated him last year and game planned around him vs with him as compared to this year then it's not worth having a conversation.

But sure, go off the one percent thing if you want.
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9:02a, 12/27/25
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- his interception % increased.
- he ran less. Basically had the same number of attempts as 2024 in playing far more in 2025.

If these two trends continue, he's the wrong guy to have at QB. If he's not going to run as much, he's not a good enough passer to mitigate his below-average passing.
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In reply to Bunk Moreland • 9:04a, 12/27/25
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Reed was asked to do a ton more in the passing game this year, specifically vertically.


…with a meaningfully improved WR corps and a more experienced O Line. And here we are watching the rest of the playoffs from home mainly because of his inaccuracy. The fact that defenses schemed to allow him to throw tells you everything you need to know. Debate numbers all you want and listen to coach speak all you want, but Marcel simply did not make meaningful improvement this year but we clearly need him to over the next 12 months.
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9:06a, 12/27/25
That's a bit damning for sure. But it's sort of hard to compare splitting time as a freshman and starting the full year as a sophomore. Not to sound conflicting and contradicting myself, but I can see both angles. In other posts, I noted we should open the QB position and try to see what we can get from the portal, and let O'Neil vie for it again in the offseason.

But I don't disagree with Elko either. For most of this year, you could see Reed progressing a lot DURING the year. He was uninspiring in the first two games against lesser opponents. I thought we were about to have another 8-4 season after the first two games. Then ND. Granted, it was Craver and Concepcion on fire in that game, but he did look good. Then as the season went on, his decision-making and checks were getting better.

Then inexplicably, looked like crap in So Car. Lucky to some extent we pulled that out. He seemed off vs Texas too. And uninspiring vs Miami. I don't think we were "always an 11 win team and the late losses against good opponents" was inevitable. We lost those games, they didn't win.

So Car - We didn't lose, but should have. Reed is awful at touch on a pass more than 25 yards. Miraculously pulled out two for TDs. This highlighted for me while he improved in checks, short-pass touch, etc., during the season, he really has not improved in being a multi-threat QB (run, short pass, and deep pass). All other teams have to do (and they figured it out with tape as the season wore on), just defend the short pass and keep him from running and we're cooked. Let him hit his rare deep pass, but again, with some luck, it's what miraculously saved us vs So Car.

Texas - A combination of our lines not playing like we had seen in other games and (I love Elko, but...) the 3rd quarter decision to have one of the 4 on the D line stay on the line or drop back was a bad halftime adj.

Miami - TBH, didn't bother to go watch the tape. But watching from my seats, Reed was exactly as described above and shut down because he is not a deep threat (that was my memory of it as it pertains to Reed).

So, point is, I don't disagree with Elko's observations, but hopefully, he too sees Reed has peaked and is a "good but not great" QB. ALL the personnel around Reed need to be stellar if we want another shot at the playoffs next year, but IMO it's best to open the position even at the risk Reed transfers. I am a total Elko fan, so if he decides something other than that, I will trust and hope, just calling it as I see it right now.
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In reply to zooguy96 • 9:08a, 12/27/25
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zooguy96 said:
- his interception % increased.
- he ran less. Basically had the same number of attempts as 2024 in playing far more in 2025.

If these two trends continue, he's the wrong guy to have at QB. If he's not going to run as much, he's not a good enough passer to mitigate his below-average passing.


100%. He needs to use his legs more. That's what keeps DCs up at night. We played into their hands with him stuck in a pocket. I don't recall us rolling him out once to stress the defense.
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In reply to BT1395 • 9:13a, 12/27/25
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BT1395 said:
Bunk Moreland said:
Reed was asked to do a ton more in the passing game this year, specifically vertically.


…with a meaningfully improved WR corps and a more experienced O Line. And here we are watching the rest of the playoffs from home mainly because of his inaccuracy. The fact that defenses schemed to allow him to throw tells you everything you need to know. Debate numbers all you want and listen to coach speak all you want, but Marcel simply did not make meaningful improvement this year but we clearly need him to over the next 12 months.

Miami man handled our OL and it forced Reed to throw the ball nearly 40 times into 20 mph wind. That's why we lost that game.
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9:18a, 12/27/25
Lamar Jackson



Marcel Reed



SO year

Reed had a better completion % by 6pts on less attempts, 400 less yds, 5 less touchdowns and 3 more interceptions. Almost the same passer rating. If he can get someone to help with his lower body mechanics, I think the completion % can tick up and interceptions tick down.
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9:18a, 12/27/25
Said mid year that he has not taken the next step and was correct.

His QBR for 24 and 25 were virtually equal.

Once teams shut down our screen game and he was forced to throw into windows downfield, his decision making and throw mechanics fell apart.

He does not throw anyone open, hit tight windows, or anticipate space, so he is late on almost everything and his accuracy in sub par as he has to speed up his motion. In addition he scrambled less and sat in pocket for far too long which exacerbated his issues with ball security and close eyes and pray throws.

He has a ton to get right in the off season, starting with his mechanics that came apart down the stretch

If he can get right and speed up his eyes, he can be elite
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In reply to jt16 • 9:24a, 12/27/25
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jt16 said:
zooguy96 said:
- his interception % increased.
- he ran less. Basically had the same number of attempts as 2024 in playing far more in 2025.

If these two trends continue, he's the wrong guy to have at QB. If he's not going to run as much, he's not a good enough passer to mitigate his below-average passing.


100%. He needs to use his legs more. That's what keeps DCs up at night. We played into their hands with him stuck in a pocket. I don't recall us rolling him out once to stress the defense.


And we were specifically told that we wanted to make him a pocket passer, which was not playing to his strengths, which made no sense at all.

He can be elite when there is always the threat of him being able to run. We saw how he played in the 2nd half against SC and against Notre Dame. What'd he do in both of those games - ran a lot. I get not wanting to run him that much to keep him not injured, but we play right into the opponents hands when we do that.
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In reply to zooguy96 • 9:28a, 12/27/25
zooguy96 said:
jt16 said:
zooguy96 said:
- his interception % increased.
- he ran less. Basically had the same number of attempts as 2024 in playing far more in 2025.

If these two trends continue, he's the wrong guy to have at QB. If he's not going to run as much, he's not a good enough passer to mitigate his below-average passing.


100%. He needs to use his legs more. That's what keeps DCs up at night. We played into their hands with him stuck in a pocket. I don't recall us rolling him out once to stress the defense.


And we were specifically told that we wanted to make him a pocket passer, which was not playing to his strengths, which made no sense at all.

He can be elite when there is always the threat of him being able to run. We saw how he played in the 2nd half against SC and against Notre Dame. What'd he do in both of those games - ran a lot. I get not wanting to run him that much to keep him not injured, but we play right into the opponents hands when we do that.

Eh.. at times this was true. But he ran a lot against Miami. They played a zone to limit the passing game and used athletic LB's and safeties to not let Reed break big runs. They ultimately contained him enough, while shutting down our anemic schemed run game, forcing Klein to make Reed pass into a crosswind that was punishing the QB's for both teams all day. Reed got happy feet from the pressure and his mechanics broke down in critical moments leading to crushing turnovers.
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9:29a, 12/27/25
We should have run the ball up the middle more with our RBs and not put most of the game on Marcel. In the first half, we averaged 2.8 yards per carry when we ran the ball up the middle with a running back. In the second half, we averaged 4 yards per carry when we ran the ball up the middle with a running back.... Yet we only did it six times in the second half. Should i've done that more when it was obvious that Marcel was off that day. Instead, we insisted on throwing the ball a lot and watching sacks and turnovers.

Also, all year, i've never figured out why we refused to move the pocket to give Marcel more space and running opportunities. Trying to make him a pocket passer is not working. And even when he tries to escape the pocket, he can't break tackles so it limits his opportunities.

A&M....give us room!
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In reply to Bunk Moreland • 9:30a, 12/27/25
Bunk Moreland said:
Reed was asked to do a ton more in the passing game this year, specifically vertically. If you can't see how we treated him last year and game planned around him vs with him as compared to this year then it's not worth having a conversation.

But sure, go off the one percent thing if you want.



reed obviously progressed but some fans don't know ball. last year he was completely protected this year he had access to the full offense which opens him up to more risk. next year he should take a major step forward passing the ball. he was better this season but he lacked consistency
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9:34a, 12/27/25
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Quite possibly the Best receiving corps the Aggies have ever had.
Reed could not even get it close to them. Hell not even completeing 5 yrd passes.
Without KC Ags would have lost several more games this season. Next year, next year,
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9:38a, 12/27/25
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Reed had elite receivers carrying him this year and still had awful stats and decisions. He is horribly inconsistent and takes forever to settle into a game, if he ever does. He isn't the guy.

He doesn't even know what a check down is.
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In reply to AggielandPoultry • 9:41a, 12/27/25
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Quite possibly the Best receiving corps the Aggies have ever had.
Reed could not even get it close to them. Hell not even completeing 5 yrd passes.
Without KC Ags would have lost several more games this season. Next year, next year,

If we regress next year to the tune of 4+ losses then questions will be asked if we have the right coach. Nothing we can do about it since they gave him a big extension after accomplishing really nothing but that's where we are. Let's just hope Elko has made the right decisions on new coaches because if not the players and fans will suffer.
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In reply to Mr.Milkshake • 9:41a, 12/27/25
Mr.Milkshake said:
Said mid year that he has not taken the next step and was correct.

His QBR for 24 and 25 were virtually equal.

Once teams shut down our screen game and he was forced to throw into windows downfield, his decision making and throw mechanics fell apart.

He does not throw anyone open, hit tight windows, or anticipate space, so he is late on almost everything and his accuracy in sub par as he has to speed up his motion. In addition he scrambled less and sat in pocket for far too long which exacerbated his issues with ball security and close eyes and pray throws.

He has a ton to get right in the off season, starting with his mechanics that came apart down the stretch

If he can get right and speed up his eyes, he can be elite


What gives me hope about Reed is seeing Dak Prescott early in his time at Mississippi State and wondering why is this guy thought of so highly. Then seeing him last two years as all- SEC he was very good.

If Reed is on schedule he should have it figured out going into next season.
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9:47a, 12/27/25
"Are they accurate? Do they make good decisions?... If they can't do that, then you can't get past square one".

"I think it's very difficult-to-impossible to take a guy that is not accurate and make him accurate... People say 'this guy is big and fast and all you have to do is work on his accuracy.' I say 'good luck,' because I don't see that happening".

- Mike Leach
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9:53a, 12/27/25
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Reed is a competitor but he regressed the second half of the season.s
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10:10a, 12/27/25
It's utterly ridiculous that a third year college quarterback is still struggling with mechanics, and that we would pin our hopes on figuring out his mechanics in year 4. Just rolling the dice and hoping for the best isn't a great plan. We should go to the portal and get a proven quarterback who has the mechanics down. See Ohio st and Indiana
A&M....give us room!
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10:24a, 12/27/25
It is surprising. Like others said, his QBR was virtually the same this year and last year. Most (but not all) QBs improve year to year. It's concerning but Reed can perform much better if Elko builds the offense around Reed's strengths. It all starts with we have to get the other teams out of zone with a better running game (from running backs).
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10:37a, 12/27/25
Reed had 2 of the best wide receivers in college football this year and he can thank them for a ton of yards after the catch! KC and Craver are 2 of the best we've ever had! O line wasn't great against Miami, but they were good enough to get it done. The fumble was a broken play (just tuck the ball and take a loss), and the 2 interceptions were terrible throws by Reed. He also missed a wide open KC that would have gone for a HUGE gain or maybe even a TD with KC's elusiveness. If Reed just has a "decent" game, the Ags beat Miami by 10 points. I guess we are stuck with him now and against next year's brutal schedule he's a 7 win QB. Maybe 8 if he shows drastic improvement.
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In reply to Reno Hightower • 10:48a, 12/27/25
Reno Hightower said:
"Are they accurate? Do they make good decisions?... If they can't do that, then you can't get past square one".

"I think it's very difficult-to-impossible to take a guy that is not accurate and make him accurate... People say 'this guy is big and fast and all you have to do is work on his accuracy.' I say 'good luck,' because I don't see that happening".

- Mike Leach
This gets trotted out a lot, and while feels true, it cannot account for guys like Josh Allen, Lamar, Bo Nix, Dak, etc.
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10:50a, 12/27/25
Worth noting Haynes King QBR progress:

2021 - 35.1 (Interception machine)
2022 - 45.3 (Interception machine)
2023 - 73.1 (ranked 28th; still 16 interceptions but a lot more QB runs)
2024 - 78.6 (ranked 13th; less passing but better passing accuracy, even more QB runs)
2025 - 78.0 (ranked 16th; just 12 TD passing, 5 interceptions, 15 TD rushing)

Reed's 2025 QBR is 75.9 (ranked 23rd); it isn't bad but could be improved with a little more QB runs IMO. In 2025, Reed ran for 493 yards with 6 rushing TDs while King ran for 922 yards with 15 rushing TDs.

I think Reed is clearly a better QB than King; but A&M needs a better running game (OL and running backs) and coaches need to use Reed's legs more. The objective is to win games, not impress NFL scouts.
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JohnClark929 said:
Worth noting Haynes King QBR progress:

2021 - 35.1 (Interception machine)
2022 - 45.3 (Interception machine)
2023 - 73.1 (ranked 28th; still 16 interceptions but a lot more QB runs)
2024 - 78.6 (ranked 13th; even less passing but better passing results, even more QB runs)
2025 - 78.0 (ranked 16th; just 12 TD passing, 5 interceptions, 15 TD rushing)

Reed's 2025 QBR is 75.9 (ranked 23rd); it isn't bad but could be improved with a little more QB runs IMO. In 2025, Reed ran for 493 yards with 6 rushing TDs while King ran for 922 yards with 15 rushing TDs.

I think Reed is clearly a better QB than King; but A&M needs a better running game (OL and running backs) and coaches need to use Reed's legs more. The objective is to win games, not impress NFL scouts.
King is a good example of progression, I agree. I in no way , shape, or form endorse the statement that Reed is the better player. Both have fatal accuracy and field reading issues but King is MUCH bigger and more versatile in the run game.
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In reply to JohnClark929 • 10:54a, 12/27/25
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JohnClark929 said:
Worth noting Haynes King QBR progress:

2021 - 35.1 (Interception machine)
2022 - 45.3 (Interception machine)
2023 - 73.1 (ranked 28th; still 16 interceptions but a lot more QB runs)
2024 - 78.6 (ranked 13th; even less passing but better passing accuracy, even more QB runs)
2025 - 78.0 (ranked 16th; just 12 TD passing, 5 interceptions, 15 TD rushing)

Reed's 2025 QBR is 75.9 (ranked 23rd); it isn't bad but could be improved with a little more QB runs IMO. In 2025, Reed ran for 493 yards with 6 rushing TDs while King ran for 922 yards with 15 rushing TDs.

I think Reed is clearly a better QB than King; but A&M needs a better running game (OL and running backs) and coaches need to use Reed's legs more. The objective is to win games, not impress NFL scouts.


Problem is Reed is not built to get hit like King is. King outweighs him by 30 lbs.
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10:58a, 12/27/25
His lack of size and tendency for happy feet is the biggest concern.

Personally, I think he was never the same after he took a big hit in the first quarter against USC. One of their big 300lbers nailed him, he dropped the ball (fortunately recovered), and I think he was hearing footsteps the rest of the game and season.
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zooguy96 said:
JohnClark929 said:
Worth noting Haynes King QBR progress:

2021 - 35.1 (Interception machine)
2022 - 45.3 (Interception machine)
2023 - 73.1 (ranked 28th; still 16 interceptions but a lot more QB runs)
2024 - 78.6 (ranked 13th; even less passing but better passing accuracy, even more QB runs)
2025 - 78.0 (ranked 16th; just 12 TD passing, 5 interceptions, 15 TD rushing)

Reed's 2025 QBR is 75.9 (ranked 23rd); it isn't bad but could be improved with a little more QB runs IMO. In 2025, Reed ran for 493 yards with 6 rushing TDs while King ran for 922 yards with 15 rushing TDs.

I think Reed is clearly a better QB than King; but A&M needs a better running game (OL and running backs) and coaches need to use Reed's legs more. The objective is to win games, not impress NFL scouts.


Problem is Reed is not built to get hit like King is. King outweighs him by 30 lbs.

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11:01a, 12/27/25
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Reed is who he is. Nothing is going to change.

Time to move on.
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In reply to LarryLayman • 11:07a, 12/27/25
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Mr.Milkshake said:
Said mid year that he has not taken the next step and was correct.

His QBR for 24 and 25 were virtually equal.

Once teams shut down our screen game and he was forced to throw into windows downfield, his decision making and throw mechanics fell apart.

He does not throw anyone open, hit tight windows, or anticipate space, so he is late on almost everything and his accuracy in sub par as he has to speed up his motion. In addition he scrambled less and sat in pocket for far too long which exacerbated his issues with ball security and close eyes and pray throws.

He has a ton to get right in the off season, starting with his mechanics that came apart down the stretch

If he can get right and speed up his eyes, he can be elite


What gives me hope about Reed is seeing Dak Prescott early in his time at Mississippi State and wondering why is this guy thought of so highly. Then seeing him last two years as all- SEC he was very good.

If Reed is on schedule he should have it figured out going into next season.

Dak Prescott has been a classic underachiever with the Cowboys. Including this year, the Cowboys (allegedly American's team) have missed the playoffs. With Prescott as its QB, the Cowboys are 2-5 in the playoffs. Considering these statistics and the comparison made between Prescott and Reed, I have no more hope next than I did before the last two games this year.
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In reply to Bunk Moreland • 11:22a, 12/27/25
Bunk Moreland said:
Reed was asked to do a ton more in the passing game this year, specifically vertically. If you can't see how we treated him last year and game planned around him vs with him as compared to this year then it's not worth having a conversation.

But sure, go off the one percent thing if you want.



Percentages are proportional. It doesn't matter if he had more attempts or more decisions to make one year or another. We need improvement in his rate of completion.

Like Joe Burrow's improvement from 2018-2019. His numbers weren't better in 2019 because he was simply "asked to do more" in the offense. He actually improved, so his stats improved
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In reply to dreyOO • 11:22a, 12/27/25
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dreyOO said:
His lack of size and tendency for happy feet is the biggest concern.

Personally, I think he was never the same after he took a big hit in the first quarter against USC. One of their big 300lbers nailed him, he dropped the ball (fortunately recovered), and I think he was hearing footsteps the rest of the game and season.


He was never the same once the Heisman talk got in his head
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11:27a, 12/27/25
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The bigger the game, the smaller he played.

That's all I needed to see.
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TexasAggie81 said:
LarryLayman said:
Mr.Milkshake said:
Said mid year that he has not taken the next step and was correct.

His QBR for 24 and 25 were virtually equal.

Once teams shut down our screen game and he was forced to throw into windows downfield, his decision making and throw mechanics fell apart.

He does not throw anyone open, hit tight windows, or anticipate space, so he is late on almost everything and his accuracy in sub par as he has to speed up his motion. In addition he scrambled less and sat in pocket for far too long which exacerbated his issues with ball security and close eyes and pray throws.

He has a ton to get right in the off season, starting with his mechanics that came apart down the stretch

If he can get right and speed up his eyes, he can be elite


What gives me hope about Reed is seeing Dak Prescott early in his time at Mississippi State and wondering why is this guy thought of so highly. Then seeing him last two years as all- SEC he was very good.

If Reed is on schedule he should have it figured out going into next season.

Dak Prescott has been a classic underachiever with the Cowboys. Including this year, the Cowboys (allegedly American's team) have missed the playoffs. With Prescott as its QB, the Cowboys are 2-5 in the playoffs. Considering these statistics and the comparison made between Prescott and Reed, I have no more hope next than I did before the last two games this year.
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In reply to TxAg76 • 11:55a, 12/27/25
TxAg76 said:
dreyOO said:
His lack of size and tendency for happy feet is the biggest concern.

Personally, I think he was never the same after he took a big hit in the first quarter against USC. One of their big 300lbers nailed him, he dropped the ball (fortunately recovered), and I think he was hearing footsteps the rest of the game and season.


He was never the same once the Heisman talk got in his head

So now he knows what to expect. The mental challenges that will come with success. There's no reason this can't be part of his growth.
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