12mn95 said:

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JCO 90' said:

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Just looking at things this century/millennium, it's funny that the SEC grind of a schedule didn't stop the following teams from winning national championships:

* LSU in 2003
* Florida in 2006
* LSU in 2007
* Florida in 2008
* Alabama in 2009
* Auburn in 2010
* Alabama in 2011
* Alabama in 2012
* Alabama in 2015
* Alabama in 2017
* LSU in 2019
* Alabama in 2020
* Georgia in 2021
* Georgia in 2022

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hahaha that is the best rebuttal i have heard all day..and you are right, why didnt the SEC grind hurt these teams...the hoops these guys will jump through to disprove your statement will be fun to read

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It just comes down depth. SEC has great name brand teams across the board that kids want to play for in comparison to any other conference, that is a fact. With NIL there is more parity in the SEC as a result and less depth at all positions as a result, especially in the trenches, which has watered down the SEC. In the B1G there is much less parity across the board [since who wants to play for Purdue/maryland/northwestern/rutgers/minnesota] which allows teams like OSU to stack depth and make the playoffs year in/year out. What Im saying is not that hard of a concept to grasp.

The reason all those pre NIL SEC teams were winning titles is because they stacked depth. It's not that hard to figure out.

El Chupacabra said:

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So all 5 SEC teams that made the CFP were just beatdown by injury? That's the only reason they all lost?

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B1G teams were able to stack more depth at the positions that matter since they play in a weaker conference. Not just injuries but depth! Injuries don't matter as much if the backup is just as good. The SEC teams in the playoffs were good but did not have the depth to compete with teams that did.

And the same can be said for Miami in the ACC.

jonb02 said:

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In comparison to a typical SEC grind it out season where all SEC teams have more injuries as a direct result.

It's why the SEC failed to make the NC and it's only going to get worse next year with 9 SEC games.

Something needs to change.

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Is this something where I'm supposed to pick up on sarcasm or there is a wink face or is the OP being serious?

AWP 97 said:

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jonb02 said:

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In comparison to a typical SEC grind it out season where all SEC teams have more injuries as a direct result.

It's why the SEC failed to make the NC and it's only going to get worse next year with 9 SEC games.

Something needs to change.

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Is this something where I'm supposed to pick up on sarcasm or there is a wink face or is the OP being serious?

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Read my 2 posts above. Tell me how I'm wrong.

Drinking on a Monday night.

Logos Stick said:

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Drinking on a Monday night.

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If you can't tell me how I'm wrong go away. It's my thread, my topic.

jonb02 said:

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12mn95 said:

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JCO 90' said:

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Just looking at things this century/millennium, it's funny that the SEC grind of a schedule didn't stop the following teams from winning national championships:

* LSU in 2003
* Florida in 2006
* LSU in 2007
* Florida in 2008
* Alabama in 2009
* Auburn in 2010
* Alabama in 2011
* Alabama in 2012
* Alabama in 2015
* Alabama in 2017
* LSU in 2019
* Alabama in 2020
* Georgia in 2021
* Georgia in 2022

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hahaha that is the best rebuttal i have heard all day..and you are right, why didnt the SEC grind hurt these teams...the hoops these guys will jump through to disprove your statement will be fun to read

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It just comes down depth. SEC has great name brand teams across the board that kids want to play for in comparison to any other conference, that is a fact. With NIL there is more parity in the SEC as a result and less depth at all positions as a result, especially in the trenches, which has watered down the SEC. In the B1G there is much less parity across the board [since who wants to play for Purdue/maryland/northwestern/rutgers/minnesota] which allows teams like OSU to stack depth and make the playoffs year in/year out. What Im saying is not that hard of a concept to grasp.

The reason all those pre NIL SEC teams were winning titles is because they stacked depth. It's not that hard to figure out.

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What if someone told you that 4 out of the 5 Big Ten doormats you listed have a winning record against SEC teams over the last 25 years? I bet you didn't expect that.

It's called "bias". Not hard to figure out.

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TxAg76 said:

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Cajun Ag 86 said:

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Forget rivalry. The Texas loss was big because we dropped in CFP seeding to face one of the hottest teams in the tournament.

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A win puts us in the SEC Champ game, and we were already on fumes and limping around. Getting throttled in that matchup would look bad to the eyeballs, but yeah, seeded different.

The real WTF is why we ever got seeded behind Ole Miss to begin with.

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Getting throttled in the SEC Championship game didn't hurt Alabama.

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Yes it did.

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I hate to say it, but they should have been left out in favor of Notre Dame. They were not.

jonb02 said:

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12mn95 said:

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JCO 90' said:

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Just looking at things this century/millennium, it's funny that the SEC grind of a schedule didn't stop the following teams from winning national championships:

* LSU in 2003
* Florida in 2006
* LSU in 2007
* Florida in 2008
* Alabama in 2009
* Auburn in 2010
* Alabama in 2011
* Alabama in 2012
* Alabama in 2015
* Alabama in 2017
* LSU in 2019
* Alabama in 2020
* Georgia in 2021
* Georgia in 2022

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hahaha that is the best rebuttal i have heard all day..and you are right, why didnt the SEC grind hurt these teams...the hoops these guys will jump through to disprove your statement will be fun to read

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It just comes down depth. SEC has great name brand teams across the board that kids want to play for in comparison to any other conference, that is a fact. With NIL there is more parity in the SEC as a result and less depth at all positions as a result, especially in the trenches, which has watered down the SEC. In the B1G there is much less parity across the board [since who wants to play for Purdue/maryland/northwestern/rutgers/minnesota] which allows teams like OSU to stack depth and make the playoffs year in/year out. What Im saying is not that hard of a concept to grasp.

The reason all those pre NIL SEC teams were winning titles is because they stacked depth. It's not that hard to figure out.

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you say that… but I'd argue the final standings in the SEC fly in the face of your parity argument,

I don't think they were a top 4 and I dont say that to be disrespectful. And whoever you replace them with in the 4 spot would produce the same arguments that currently "invalidate" Tech. And o by the way... It's not about getting the top 4 right... that is impossible... it is a beauty pageant.

The SEC was down a bit, particularly at the top, this year. Thanks to the portal, we may not see teams as stacked as recent Bama and Georgia teams again. But playing an easier schedule is not a solution for that problem. Those who think it is believe that you can find short cuts and ways to game the system. Indiana and Miami may have had easier schedules than A&M, but they advanced further because they played better, and we were seeded as low as we were because our conference schedule ended up not being as challenging as one would have thought. Making the schedule even lighter is not a solution.

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Logos Stick said:

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Drinking on a Monday night.

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If you can't tell me how I'm wrong go away. It's my thread, my topic.

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I don't want to be redundant. Every other poster before me has explained why you are wrong. Yet here you are, still arguing.

fulshearAg96 said:

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I don't think they were a top 4 and I dont say that to be disrespectful. And whoever you replace them with in the 4 spot would produce the same arguments that currently "invalidate" Tech. And o by the way... It's not about getting the top 4 right... that is impossible... it is a beauty pageant.

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in regards to Tech

12mn95 said:

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JCO 90' said:

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Just looking at things this century/millennium, it's funny that the SEC grind of a schedule didn't stop the following teams from winning national championships:

* LSU in 2003
* Florida in 2006
* LSU in 2007
* Florida in 2008
* Alabama in 2009
* Auburn in 2010
* Alabama in 2011
* Alabama in 2012
* Alabama in 2015
* Alabama in 2017
* LSU in 2019
* Alabama in 2020
* Georgia in 2021
* Georgia in 2022

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hahaha that is the best rebuttal i have heard all day..and you are right, why didnt the SEC grind hurt these teams...the hoops these guys will jump through to disprove your statement will be fun to read

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The answer is because the top teams were able to stockpile talent and get the best players in their recruiting geography to stay closer to home. NIL is spreading the talent out way more - no one is going to have 5 stars as back-ups for more than their freshman year - they will go where they can play AND get paid more. The other piece - as was thoroughly discussed in the Finebaum video posted above - the BIG money is in the Big10. The only 2 schools in the SEC they mentioned that have the money to compete with the top Big10 schools are tu and A&M. I don't know if that's completely true. LSU, Florida and Georgia probably have enough big money donors that care. The coaches that are best at evaluating talent, pulling key players (not necessarily the top 4 and 5 stars, but probably older experienced, more mature players) out of the portal to go with their 4 and 5 stars will be the successful teams for the foreseeable future.

El Chupacabra said:

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So all 5 SEC teams that made the CFP were just beatdown by injury? That's the only reason they all lost?

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There are without a doubt some people on here that believe that is a fact.

The Big 10 has won 3 straight National Titles, but many here still feel the SEC is superior.

Many on here talked nonstop about how weak Texas and the Big 12 was, well Texas comes into the SEC and has beaten us back to back years.

jonb02 said:

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12mn95 said:

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JCO 90' said:

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Just looking at things this century/millennium, it's funny that the SEC grind of a schedule didn't stop the following teams from winning national championships:

* LSU in 2003
* Florida in 2006
* LSU in 2007
* Florida in 2008
* Alabama in 2009
* Auburn in 2010
* Alabama in 2011
* Alabama in 2012
* Alabama in 2015
* Alabama in 2017
* LSU in 2019
* Alabama in 2020
* Georgia in 2021
* Georgia in 2022

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hahaha that is the best rebuttal i have heard all day..and you are right, why didnt the SEC grind hurt these teams...the hoops these guys will jump through to disprove your statement will be fun to read

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It just comes down depth. SEC has great name brand teams across the board that kids want to play for in comparison to any other conference, that is a fact. With NIL there is more parity in the SEC as a result and less depth at all positions as a result, especially in the trenches, which has watered down the SEC. In the B1G there is much less parity across the board [since who wants to play for Purdue/maryland/northwestern/rutgers/minnesota] which allows teams like OSU to stack depth and make the playoffs year in/year out. What Im saying is not that hard of a concept to grasp.

The reason all those pre NIL SEC teams were winning titles is because they stacked depth. It's not that hard to figure out.

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less parity in the Big 10? They have ohio state, michigan, indiana, penn state, oregon and USC...and their second level is Iowa, Illinois, washington, nebraska, and two of those lowly teams you mentioned that no one wants to play on are 7-6 northwestern and 8-5 minnesota. its ok to admit that the SEC gap has lessened. they have good teams. and its not just 2 or 3 of them...

12mn95 said:

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jonb02 said:

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12mn95 said:

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JCO 90' said:

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Just looking at things this century/millennium, it's funny that the SEC grind of a schedule didn't stop the following teams from winning national championships:

* LSU in 2003
* Florida in 2006
* LSU in 2007
* Florida in 2008
* Alabama in 2009
* Auburn in 2010
* Alabama in 2011
* Alabama in 2012
* Alabama in 2015
* Alabama in 2017
* LSU in 2019
* Alabama in 2020
* Georgia in 2021
* Georgia in 2022

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hahaha that is the best rebuttal i have heard all day..and you are right, why didnt the SEC grind hurt these teams...the hoops these guys will jump through to disprove your statement will be fun to read

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It just comes down depth. SEC has great name brand teams across the board that kids want to play for in comparison to any other conference, that is a fact. With NIL there is more parity in the SEC as a result and less depth at all positions as a result, especially in the trenches, which has watered down the SEC. In the B1G there is much less parity across the board [since who wants to play for Purdue/maryland/northwestern/rutgers/minnesota] which allows teams like OSU to stack depth and make the playoffs year in/year out. What Im saying is not that hard of a concept to grasp.

The reason all those pre NIL SEC teams were winning titles is because they stacked depth. It's not that hard to figure out.

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less parity in the Big 10? They have ohio state, michigan, indiana, penn state, oregon and USC...and their second level is Iowa, Illinois, washington, nebraska, and two of those lowly teams you mentioned that no one wants to play on are 7-6 northwestern and 8-5 minnesota. its ok to admit that the SEC gap has lessened. they have good teams. and its not just 2 or 3 of them...

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Michigan and USC beat nobody this year. Penn State was garbage. The Big 10 was literally 3 teams, some soft resistance from another 3, and then MAC level competition.

Contrast that to the SEC that had Georgia, Ole Miss, A&M as the big 3, Alabama and Oklahoma competitive in that group but a slight bit lower, Texas and Vandy who could beat anyone at the top, and Tennessee and Missouri no worse than Michigan or USC. Then add in Auburn, who had a better defense than anyone in the Big 10 outside Indiana and Ohio State, and Arkansas who had a better offense than anyone outside of the top 3 in the Big 10, and you realize real quickly what kind of grind the SEC is compared to the absolute creampuff cakewalk in the Big 10. Ya, some big 10 teams like USC and Iowa finished ranked. Who did they beat? Nobody.

Heineken-Ashi said:

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12mn95 said:

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jonb02 said:

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12mn95 said:

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JCO 90' said:

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Just looking at things this century/millennium, it's funny that the SEC grind of a schedule didn't stop the following teams from winning national championships:

* LSU in 2003
* Florida in 2006
* LSU in 2007
* Florida in 2008
* Alabama in 2009
* Auburn in 2010
* Alabama in 2011
* Alabama in 2012
* Alabama in 2015
* Alabama in 2017
* LSU in 2019
* Alabama in 2020
* Georgia in 2021
* Georgia in 2022

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hahaha that is the best rebuttal i have heard all day..and you are right, why didnt the SEC grind hurt these teams...the hoops these guys will jump through to disprove your statement will be fun to read

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It just comes down depth. SEC has great name brand teams across the board that kids want to play for in comparison to any other conference, that is a fact. With NIL there is more parity in the SEC as a result and less depth at all positions as a result, especially in the trenches, which has watered down the SEC. In the B1G there is much less parity across the board [since who wants to play for Purdue/maryland/northwestern/rutgers/minnesota] which allows teams like OSU to stack depth and make the playoffs year in/year out. What Im saying is not that hard of a concept to grasp.

The reason all those pre NIL SEC teams were winning titles is because they stacked depth. It's not that hard to figure out.

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less parity in the Big 10? They have ohio state, michigan, indiana, penn state, oregon and USC...and their second level is Iowa, Illinois, washington, nebraska, and two of those lowly teams you mentioned that no one wants to play on are 7-6 northwestern and 8-5 minnesota. its ok to admit that the SEC gap has lessened. they have good teams. and its not just 2 or 3 of them...

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Michigan and USC beat nobody this year. Penn State was garbage. The Big 10 was literally 3 teams, some soft resistance from another 3, and then MAC level competition.

Contrast that to the SEC that had Georgia, Ole Miss, A&M as the big 3, Alabama and Oklahoma competitive in that group but a slight bit lower, Texas and Vandy who could beat anyone at the top, and Tennessee and Missouri no worse than Michigan or USC. Then add in Auburn, who had a better defense than anyone in the Big 10 outside Indiana and Ohio State, and Arkansas who had a better offense than anyone outside of the top 3 in the Big 10, and you realize real quickly what kind of grind the SEC is compared to the absolute creampuff cakewalk in the Big 10. Ya, some big 10 teams like USC and Iowa finished ranked. Who did they beat? Nobody.

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yes penn state was garbage this year but they were in semifinals last year. they havent been terrible in a long time. we can easily say the same about sec teams if we cherry pick...i think right now, the big 10 is the closest its ever been to the SEC in talent and amount of good to decent teams. its not longer just ohio state and michigan..is the big 10 better, i dont know, but i do feel they are closer than ever to the SEC

njohn87 said:

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Tech didn't cover itself in glory in that Oregon game, but they weren't 4 seed purely out of dumb W-L logic; the advanced stats loved them as well. That was a dominant team and an elite defense, I'd defend them at 4 even with the benefit of hindsight.

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They were a dominant team because all the teams they played were terrible. Good lord

TxAG#2011 said:

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njohn87 said:

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Tech didn't cover itself in glory in that Oregon game, but they weren't 4 seed purely out of dumb W-L logic; the advanced stats loved them as well. That was a dominant team and an elite defense, I'd defend them at 4 even with the benefit of hindsight.

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They were a dominant team because all the teams they played were terrible. Good lord

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Struggling to understand how A&M is lowest ranked out of these teams pic.twitter.com/LwCqvqn5p3

— Carson Jones (@CarsonCJones) December 3, 2025

Tech and Ole Piss are both shown if you open it

jonb02 said:

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In comparison to a typical SEC grind it out season where all SEC teams have more injuries as a direct result.

It's why the SEC failed to make the NC and it's only going to get worse next year with 9 SEC games.

Something needs to change.

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Yes. our schedule was such a grind.

You might want to lay off the SEC chest pumping for awhile. We didn't have a team in the Championship th last 3 years because the SEC simply wasn't good enough.

Just stop.