zephyr88 said:

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NCAA got way out over their skiis on NIL. It's still the Wild West, but it's starting to turn. I'm hoping these young men are about to get a quick lesson regarding the value of a contract. They aren't signing a renter's agreement - they are signing a binding contract with a very lucrituve reward for someone their age.

As Trip says, there will be more and more of these situations until a legal precedent is established.

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You can't blame the NCAA when the courts overturn all the rules they have in place

These legal battles between universities and the players will become more frequent. If they want to be paid like a pro, they should honor contracts.

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zephyr88 said:

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NCAA got way out over their skiis on NIL. It's still the Wild West, but it's starting to turn. I'm hoping these young men are about to get a quick lesson regarding the value of a contract. They aren't signing a renter's agreement - they are signing a binding contract with a very lucrituve reward for someone their age.

As Trip says, there will be more and more of these situations until a legal precedent is established.

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You can't blame the NCAA when the courts overturn all the rules they have in place

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Can't blame them for the outcome, but I can blame them for running before they could crawl. The whole system is a complete and utter joke (at the moment).

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OldShadeOfBlue said:

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zephyr88 said:

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NCAA got way out over their skiis on NIL. It's still the Wild West, but it's starting to turn. I'm hoping these young men are about to get a quick lesson regarding the value of a contract. They aren't signing a renter's agreement - they are signing a binding contract with a very lucrituve reward for someone their age.

As Trip says, there will be more and more of these situations until a legal precedent is established.

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You can't blame the NCAA when the courts overturn all the rules they have in place

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Can't blame them for the outcome, but I can blame them for running before they could crawl. The whole system is a complete and utter joke (at the moment).

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What were they supposed to do? Every time they tried to crawl the courts pushed them back down with a new ruling. This is really the only system they can implement based on the court rulings against them. They can't stop transfers. They can't regulate NIL. They can barely regulate eligibility. Within the confines of what they're legally allowed to do, what system would be better?

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Wonder if these NIL collectives are putting buyout clauses in these NIL contracts like the coaches' contracts

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Not sure if they are brave enough for that just yet. Too much kowtowing to football players. From the feeling that doing something is justifiable "because the players like it" to likely not wanting to buck the trend with any suggestions the players have to pay back part of what they were given or holding them to some sort of performance standard, like in the real world.

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zephyr88 said:

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OldShadeOfBlue said:

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zephyr88 said:

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NCAA got way out over their skiis on NIL. It's still the Wild West, but it's starting to turn. I'm hoping these young men are about to get a quick lesson regarding the value of a contract. They aren't signing a renter's agreement - they are signing a binding contract with a very lucrituve reward for someone their age.

As Trip says, there will be more and more of these situations until a legal precedent is established.

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You can't blame the NCAA when the courts overturn all the rules they have in place

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Can't blame them for the outcome, but I can blame them for running before they could crawl. The whole system is a complete and utter joke (at the moment).

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What were they supposed to do? Every time they tried to crawl the courts pushed them back down with a new ruling. This is really the only system they can implement based on the court rulings against them. They can't stop transfers. They can't regulate NIL. They can't barely regulate eligibility. Within the confines of what they're legally allowed to do, what system would be better?

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Yeah. I mean, a county judge in Tuscaloosa just told the NCAA they have to let a guy who signed multiple NBA contracts and in NBA G-Leavue games play at Alabama (for now.)

The NCAA really can't do **** to real this in with any seriousness without help from Congress.

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OldShadeOfBlue said:

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zephyr88 said:

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NCAA got way out over their skiis on NIL. It's still the Wild West, but it's starting to turn. I'm hoping these young men are about to get a quick lesson regarding the value of a contract. They aren't signing a renter's agreement - they are signing a binding contract with a very lucrituve reward for someone their age.

As Trip says, there will be more and more of these situations until a legal precedent is established.

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You can't blame the NCAA when the courts overturn all the rules they have in place

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Can't blame them for the outcome, but I can blame them for running before they could crawl. The whole system is a complete and utter joke (at the moment).

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What were they supposed to do? Every time they tried to crawl the courts pushed them back down with a new ruling. This is really the only system they can implement based on the court rulings against them. They can't stop transfers. They can't regulate NIL. They can't barely regulate eligibility. Within the confines of what they're legally allowed to do, what system would be better?

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One where they actually enforced NIL. None of these players are getting paid for their name, image or likeness. They are getting paid to play for a specific team and thus they are not amateurs.

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zephyr88 said:

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NCAA got way out over their skiis on NIL. It's still the Wild West, but it's starting to turn. I'm hoping these young men are about to get a quick lesson regarding the value of a contract. They aren't signing a renter's agreement - they are signing a binding contract with a very lucrituve reward for someone their age.

As Trip says, there will be more and more of these situations until a legal precedent is established.

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You can't blame the NCAA when the courts overturn all the rules they have in place

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Can't blame them for the outcome, but I can blame them for running before they could crawl. The whole system is a complete and utter joke (at the moment).

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What were they supposed to do? Every time they tried to crawl the courts pushed them back down with a new ruling. This is really the only system they can implement based on the court rulings against them. They can't stop transfers. They can't regulate NIL. They can't barely regulate eligibility. Within the confines of what they're legally allowed to do, what system would be better?

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One where they actually enforced NIL. None of these players are getting paid for their name, image or likeness. They are getting paid to play for a specific team and thus they are not amateurs.

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No ****. They got sued, and direct payments from schools under revenue sharing were part of the settlement agreement. And how is the NCAA really supposed to police NIL? Those are third party contracts.

So again, exactly what are they supposed to do differently?

If Im Duke and I have to sue my Qb to stop him from leaving for assumably more money…. do I really feel im gonna get the best effort from the Qb that I probably cost at least a few 100 grand if not more

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If Im Duke and I have to sue my Qb to stop him from leaving for assumably more money…. do I really feel im gonna get the best effort from the Qb that I probably cost at least a few 100 grand if not more

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Of course not. But Duke would probably prefer he rot on their bench than break the contract and go play for a conference rival

If Duke's position holds up, they probably, eventually reach some agreement to split but Duke has to make this hard on the guy.

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If Im Duke and I have to sue my Qb to stop him from leaving for assumably more money…. do I really feel im gonna get the best effort from the Qb that I probably cost at least a few 100 grand if not more

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Of course not. But Duke would probably prefer he rot on their bench than break the contract and go play for a conference rival

If Duke's position holds up, they probably, eventually reach some agreement to split but Duke has to make this hard on the guy.

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Not to mention his late departure completely tanked their ability to find a solid replacement. Had he never signed to begin with, they would have known they had to be on the lookout for a new QB

Here's a link to the whole suit if anyone wants to read through it:

https://s3.amazonaws.com/snwceomedia/dtc/45ae1906-2c97-4749-b2c3-7b518f9d851c.original.pdf

Originally found linked from here: https://dukechronicle.com/article/duke-football-darian-mensah-lawsuit-explainer-diaz-lucas-heitner-contract-arbitration-20260121

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zephyr88 said:

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If you're paid to play, you're under a financial contract with the university.

Did he break it?

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That depends on the length of the contract.

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Can't wait till we have a player who enters the 3rd Quarter Media Timeout Transfer Portal and lose them to LSU.

I was one of the few who was always against "just paying the kids" for what it would inevitably and immediately become.

They're pros now, and the only answer is collective bargaining and league rules preventing shenanigans like this. And eventually the athletes at the highest level will question the requirement to attend classes on the grounds that a bad sociology grade will hinder their ability to earn.

The endstate is pro teams owned, operated, and licensed by institutions of higher learning. It's all a matter of how we get there.

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Or, we go back to the old system where kids are paid via free education, free room and board, free meals and free training.

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I'm betting that as the dollar amounts for players go higher and higher, some schools will do just that. Not sure if that means another football "division" or not.

Would love to see universities collude against these knucklehead players.

"We ain't paying you **** to play football for us. Take the scholarship offer or leave it."

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Would love to see universities collude against these knucklehead players.

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irony level 11

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Burn it down. They want university money via donors but they don't want to be obligated to the university. Go join some minor league football league that has no ties to a school (thus no fans) and see how much money your football skills are worth. If people are only watching because you have such great football skills then I am sure they would pay to watch you play anywhere.

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They wouldn't earn what a degree cost if the Universities went away.

That being said it's the adults that are willing to pay and risk these ridiculous "contracts". All in the name of pride.

The players would be idiots to not take advantage of the credulous pride filled alum. I mean, that's exactly what is happening.

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Simple answer. Yes.

More complicated answer. So what.

There are no rules right now.

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Do you have any idea what a contract is?

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ask the players that question please

Oh yes I can. NCAA, ESPN, and all the sports media and gambling organizations.

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Would love to see universities collude against these knucklehead players.

"We ain't paying you **** to play football for us. Take the scholarship offer or leave it."

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Why just the players and not the coaches?

That being said... collusion is sorta illegal. So, there's that.

Let's not be too dramatic. A contract between two adults is still a contract. Hundreds of years of law and "rules" defining the transaction.

How does this impact football associated with Texas A&M?

I dont watch minor league football. I only watch the team associated with Texas A&M.

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Let's not be too dramatic. A contract between two adults is still a contract. Hundreds of years of law and "rules" defining the transaction.

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The contract cannot be based on the team they play for or number of games played.

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JMJLAW said:

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Let's not be too dramatic. A contract between two adults is still a contract. Hundreds of years of law and "rules" defining the transaction.

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The contract cannot be based on the team they play for or number of games played.

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Yep, it's for the players Name, Image, and Likeness, which they can use no matter what school a player plays for, so long as he's starting at a big university the players name image and likeness certainly has value right?. It's absolutely not payment for a player to only play for one specific team.

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Let's not be too dramatic. A contract between two adults is still a contract. Hundreds of years of law and "rules" defining the transaction.

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The contract cannot be based on the team they play for or number of games played.

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Yep, it's for the players Name, Image, and Likeness, which they can use no matter what school a player plays for, so long as he's starting at a big university the players name image and likeness certainly has value right?. It's absolutely not payment for a player to only play for one specific team.

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What if he doesn't play at all? Like, never. Hoza Scott would have gotten atleast $1M if he graduated today.

zephyr88 said:

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NCAA got way out over their skiis on NIL. It's still the Wild West, but it's starting to turn. I'm hoping these young men are about to get a quick lesson regarding the value of a contract. They aren't signing a renter's agreement - they are signing a binding contract with a very lucrituve reward for someone their age.

As Trip says, there will be more and more of these situations until a legal precedent is established.

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How do you think NIL happened? The NCAA lost in court after a long battle and the Supreme Court ripped them to shreds.

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How do you think NIL happened? The NCAA lost in court after a long battle and the Supreme Court ripped them to shreds.

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NIL came from state legislatures.

Would you really want a quarterback to play for your team? If he felt forced to stay there in his heart wasn't in it?

It is pay to play. There will be a lot of legal stuff before this all shakes out. As everyone knows, they have not been student athletes for a long time. They now are mercenaries and, over time, any loyalty or connection to a college or university will continue to erode for most.

Might even see the players unionize and then it will be them against the schools they play for and get a paycheck from just like Bubba the autoworker and the management of one of the auto manufacturers.

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How do you think NIL happened? The NCAA lost in court after a long battle and the Supreme Court ripped them to shreds.

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NIL came from state legislatures.

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No it didn't. NIL came from the Ed O'Bannon lawsuit where the NCAA was torn to shreds. Everything else is figuring out how to not get sued because of the O'Bannon ruling.

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How do you think NIL happened? The NCAA lost in court after a long battle and the Supreme Court ripped them to shreds.

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No it didn't. NIL came from the Ed O'Bannon lawsuit where the NCAA was torn to shreds. Everything else is figuring out how to not get sued because of the O'Bannon ruling.

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for starters, OBannon was not a supreme court case. it stopped at the 9th circuit.

moreover, it did not result in ncaa allowing NIL. that only happened after california passed a law saying its schools could not be in the ncaa if NIL was not allowed, then florida passed a law that would come into effect sooner, then several states including texas jumped on. that is when ncaa started to allow NIL

if not for the legislatures, we'd just have NIL not being against the rules starting this past season with the house settlement.

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How do you think NIL happened? The NCAA lost in court after a long battle and the Supreme Court ripped them to shreds.

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NIL came from state legislatures.

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No it didn't. NIL came from the Ed O'Bannon lawsuit where the NCAA was torn to shreds. Everything else is figuring out how to not get sued because of the O'Bannon ruling.

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for starters, OBannon was not a supreme court case. it stopped at the 9th circuit.

moreover, it did not result in ncaa allowing NIL. that only happened after california passed a law saying its schools could not be in the ncaa if NIL was not allowed, then florida passed a law that would come into effect sooner, then several states including texas jumped on. that is when ncaa started to allow NIL

if not for the legislatures, we'd just have NIL not being against the rules starting this past season with the house settlement.

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Try googling Justice Kavanaugh + NCAA and report back with your findings .

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ask chatGPT what dicta in a concurrence is and get back to us

O'Bannon was the impetus. California only passed their legislation because there were other cases after it that put further writing on the wall. It was readily apparent that the NCAA would continue to lose ground and get hammered by antitrust arguments. California saw what was coming after the court cases opened the door and tried to get ahead of it