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The Paradox of Coach Wiggins Will Elevate Marcel Reed

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Law Of The Quad
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Coach Wiggins in my view brings two things to elevate M Reed.
He brings a fresh set of eyes, a different perspective which can be helpful in making adjustments for real improvement. Wiggins brings the WR perspective, CK brought the QB view.

At the same time Wiggins has a history of data on Marcel that helps in not killing the things that worked.

Coach Elko seems to be using a very logical approach to improving the offense, elevating Marcel and holding on to the momentum of 11 wins.

The team can always go out and get a new OC, but to go outside to hire at this time would likely work to Marcel's disadvantage.

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The "momentum" is two loses.
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Sounds sorta like coach speak
"I don't care about your feelings OP. I'm not going to let fandom replace reason, thought, and history"
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This feels extremely close to fanfic.
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Hopefully he starts w focusing on the oline


Hopefully he instructs them to let their play do the talking
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If Marcel can to improve next year to where he throws the WR screen at or in front of the WR and not behind and low him then that will help. Also, if he can improve on his 10 yard or less accuracy then that would be amazing. If he can do those two things then Wiggins job will be much easier

If not then it is going to be tough when we play talented teams.
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25Lighters said:

If Marcel can to improve next year to where he throws the WR screen at or in front of the WR and not behind and low him then that will help. Also, if he can improve on his 10 yard or less accuracy then that would be amazing. If he can do those two things then Wiggins job will be much easier

If not then it is going to be tough when we play talented teams.


This

Reed needs to be more accurate on the easy throws, actually TAKE the easy throws and also take the running lanes when they are there

When he does those 3 things he's at his best

Needs to do it game in and game out and for the entire game not just stretches at a time

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There are 3 QBs I can remember who have had to learn not to choke in big games.

Peyton Manning focused on simplifying in-play decisions by studying pre-snap - OMAHA OMAHA!
Matt Stafford was similarly removed from decision-making and was told what to do - McVay made the call...
John Elway never really learned to be clutch; they just changed his role to bus driver - Shanahan focused on defense first and Terrell Davis.

There are so many others who were good QBs in the day-to-day but never playoff impactors...Marino, Rivers...

These QBs fail under pressure, and I don't know that THEY ever changed.... What has to change is the system around them to reduce the weight of decisions.

I don't think this a WR coach that has never called plays is the right person to lead a known choker to a championship, but I hope Wiggins is more than what I see.

In the end, these names I am comparing to Marcel are an elite list. He's a really good QB, but I can't think of anyone who has consistently choked under the pressure of the "big game" and has been able to change themselves... the environment has to simplify





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PanzerAggie06 said:

The "momentum" is two loses.

Wet blanket are you?

Yeah, two losses, but totally ignore 11 wins. Yep, you're a wet blanket.
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Cinco Ranch Aggie said:

PanzerAggie06 said:

The "momentum" is two loses.

Wet blanket are you?

Yeah, two losses, but totally ignore 11 wins. Yep, you're a wet blanket.

To totally ignore the 2 losses, especially since they came in the last 2 games to finish the season and Reed played horribly in both, is worse.
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Knoxville_Ag_08 said:


There are so many others who were good QBs in the day-to-day but never playoff impactors...Marino, Rivers...

These QBs fail under pressure, and I don't know that THEY ever changed.... What has to change is the system around them to reduce the weight of decisions.


I'll nitpick here. Marino and Rivers were all time greats. Them not winning Super Bowls had more to do with the teams around them. Swap them with numerous QBs during their primes and they would have won Super Bowls too.
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Cinco Ranch Aggie said:

PanzerAggie06 said:

The "momentum" is two loses.

Wet blanket are you?

Yeah, two losses, but totally ignore 11 wins. Yep, you're a wet blanket.

Yeah but we lost to ur
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Justice Beaver said:

Cinco Ranch Aggie said:

PanzerAggie06 said:

The "momentum" is two loses.

Wet blanket are you?

Yeah, two losses, but totally ignore 11 wins. Yep, you're a wet blanket.

To totally ignore the 2 losses, especially since they came in the last 2 games to finish the season and Reed played horribly in both, is worse.


Why do so many ignore the back to back, late season collapses??

In 5 years there will be enough evidence to prove what some of us are already seeing and concluding.
"I don't care about your feelings OP. I'm not going to let fandom replace reason, thought, and history"
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Class of 65 said:

Cinco Ranch Aggie said:

PanzerAggie06 said:

The "momentum" is two loses.

Wet blanket are you?

Yeah, two losses, but totally ignore 11 wins. Yep, you're a wet blanket.

Yeah but we lost to ur


Found the old wet blanket
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Knoxville_Ag_08 said:

but I can't think of anyone who has consistently choked under the pressure of the "big game" and has been able to change themselves... the environment has to simplify

Shane Falco.
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Blonde Coffee Beans said:

Justice Beaver said:

Cinco Ranch Aggie said:

PanzerAggie06 said:

The "momentum" is two loses.

Wet blanket are you?

Yeah, two losses, but totally ignore 11 wins. Yep, you're a wet blanket.

To totally ignore the 2 losses, especially since they came in the last 2 games to finish the season and Reed played horribly in both, is worse.


Why do so many ignore the back to back, late season collapses??

In 5 years there will be enough evidence to prove what some of us are already seeing and concluding.


This. And our last 5 games next year are brutal.
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If Reed can improve his accuracy in the off-season, He would be an amazing dual threat QB.

The INT's, constant over or under throws, and missed reads are killing him.
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Cinco Ranch Aggie said:

PanzerAggie06 said:

The "momentum" is two loses.

Wet blanket are you?

Yeah, two losses, but totally ignore 11 wins. Yep, you're a wet blanket.


Facts care nothing about your feelings. But don't let it get you down. Keep thrashing those pompoms about.
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This guy gets it !!! 10000%
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John Elway never learned to be clutch?!?!? That is the most idiotic thing I've seen on this forum. Record for number of 4th quarter/ OT comebacks. Worked miracles with inferior talent around hijm (got to Superbowls and then blown out when faced with higher talent NFC teams. Overcame extremely conservative coaching in Dan Reeves. Finally won Superbowls when he didnt have to be a one man army. Oy Vey.
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Slicer97 said:

Knoxville_Ag_08 said:

but I can't think of anyone who has consistently choked under the pressure of the "big game" and has been able to change themselves... the environment has to simplify

Shane Falco.


HEART.
Miles and miles of heart.
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Age and experience will do more for Reed. I don't get why this is so hard for the zoo to understand.
Aggie Class of '97 and '16, Proud father of Aggie classes of '25 and '29
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Blonde Coffee Beans said:

Justice Beaver said:

Cinco Ranch Aggie said:

PanzerAggie06 said:

The "momentum" is two loses.

Wet blanket are you?

Yeah, two losses, but totally ignore 11 wins. Yep, you're a wet blanket.

To totally ignore the 2 losses, especially since they came in the last 2 games to finish the season and Reed played horribly in both, is worse.


Why do so many ignore the back to back, late season collapses??

In 5 years there will be enough evidence to prove what some of us are already seeing and concluding.

I never said I ignored anything. I am well aware of those late season collapses. 2024's finish led to expect nothing more than 6-6 for 2025. Elko absolutely must figure out how to keep his team playing sharp at the end of the season, I agree.

So with the bolded, what is it that you have concluded? Do you have a flux capacitor in a DeLorean? Do tell. That could just save me some time and money and let me focus on other stuff if you already know how the next 5 seasons are going to play out.
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PanzerAggie06 said:

Cinco Ranch Aggie said:

PanzerAggie06 said:

The "momentum" is two loses.

Wet blanket are you?

Yeah, two losses, but totally ignore 11 wins. Yep, you're a wet blanket.


Facts care nothing about your feelings. But don't let it get you down. Keep thrashing those pompoms about.

Facts? 11 > 2. You are right to have concern about the 2, but wrong to simply pretend the 11 did not happen.

I'm not thrashing pompoms here. I didn't like the way the season ended, but that doesn't mean I'm going to take a giant crap on the 11-0 start with big wins in South Bend and Baton Rouge.
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Ok, that's fair. Elway played well at the end of games up until the Super Bowl and dragged some average rosters a long way.

I shouldn't have said Elway isn't clutch - he was clutch in regular games, and never really showed out in the Super Bowl. It's that he didn't win titles until the burden on him changed. In the Super Bowls he lost, his performance dipped well below his regular-season level as games got out of hand early. You make a good point, it was against better competition.

Early on he had to be a one-man offense; later, Shanahan, the run game, and a defense-first approach reduced the number of high-leverage decisions he had to make, and that's when the titles came.
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Mike Leach would be all onboard with teaching Reed accuracy...
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Marcel Reed is going to improve as a passer just like Kellen Mond improved
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Quote:

Yeah, two losses, but totally ignore 11 wins. Yep, you're a wet blanket.

Yes, you could always say that the first 11 hours of a trans ocean flight were routine, then the engines quit and the plane ended in the water. And the passengers were the wet blanket for complaining?

I might even extend the metaphor by suggesting that there were some concerns at a couple points earlier in the flight, but the Captain chose to continue rather than diverting to an available alternate.

CB, '67
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Elway wasn't clutch??? Ha ha ha. The guy played his 1st 10 years in the league without another Pro Bowler on offense and still took his team to 3 Super Bowls before facing teams that were just much better. That was the days before free agency. You couldn't fix roster holes easily.
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leardriver said:

Quote:

Yeah, two losses, but totally ignore 11 wins. Yep, you're a wet blanket.

Yes, you could always say that the first 11 hours of a trans ocean flight were routine, then the engines quit and the plane ended in the water. And the passengers were the wet blanket for complaining?

I might even extend the metaphor by suggesting that there were some concerns at a couple points earlier in the flight, but the Captain chose to continue rather than diverting to an available alternate.

CB, '67


Comparing a football game played by the young to a life-and-death scenario. I don't know what games you were watching, but not once did I feel like my life was in danger.

What I hear when someone makes the point that the poster made is that the only thing that matters is the negative. The positive is of no importance. There was a lot of positive in those 11 wins. Yes, even in at least one of those wins there were warning signs, most particularly the first half of the Carolina game. But to focus solely on the first half of that game is to ignore the full set of data, namely the second half comeback. At the end of the day A&M was 1 point better. At that time I saw only a team that had shot itself in the foot and had still found a way to win a game; I didn't make any grand prognostications as to what their immediate future held after that game other than I expected two more wins.

There is a lot to like about the current state of the A&M football program. It's not perfect yet, clearly. Coach Elko knows this and will work on a fix or set of fixes. Will he get there? Ask the poster who already knows what will happen in 5 years, I'm sure he can tell you.
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Reed isn't a choker, obviously. ND. Also took us down the field to beat Miami

His problem is his eyes, and what they do to his mechanics. We feasted on throws near the LOS and by the end of the year he had fallen apart reading D downfield and delivering with confidence.
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eATMup-Reveille said:

Mike Leach would be all onboard with teaching Reed accuracy...


Leach didn't offer Reed or any QB that had accuracy issues.
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Mr.Milkshake said:

Reed isn't a choker, obviously. ND. Also took us down the field to beat Miami

His problem is his eyes, and what they do to his mechanics. We feasted on throws near the LOS and by the end of the year he had fallen apart reading D downfield and delivering with confidence.


…and then choked
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Where's the paradox?
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