Reed's skillset is limited so Wiggins' job is planning an offense to maximize this limited skillset. Good luck!

Cinco Ranch Aggie said:

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I never said I ignored anything. I am well aware of those late season collapses. 2024's finish led to expect nothing more than 6-6 for 2025. Elko absolutely must figure out how to keep his team playing sharp at the end of the season, I agree.

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A "collapse" is when you go from some great level of performance to worse. We didn't "collapse." We just weren't as good as so many thought.

How can people not realize that our record over the second half of the season has NOTHING to do with a failure to "keep playing sharp", or "losing focus", or "learning how to finish", or cooler weather, or the pending holidays?
We play harder teams and aren't ever that good.

Also, why are we referencing John Elway and Peyton Manning in a thread about Marcel Reed??

And Ags wonder why people call us delusional.

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Mike Leach would be all onboard with teaching Reed accuracy...

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Leach didn't offer Reed or any QB that had accuracy issues.

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Remind me, how many championships did he win?

I liked him, and always appreciated his views on the game....but, his teams usually weren't that great. And his qb's usually didn't do great after they left him.

RangerAg87 said:

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VP at Pierce and Pierce said:

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eATMup-Reveille said:

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Mike Leach would be all onboard with teaching Reed accuracy...

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Leach didn't offer Reed or any QB that had accuracy issues.

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Remind me, how many championships did he win?

I liked him, and always appreciated his views on the game....but, his teams usually weren't that great. And his qb's usually didn't do great after they left him.

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I didn't think he was some great coach in terms of team/roster building and winning. He knew how to develop QBs though and his metrics for evaluating QBs are something to pay attention to. Accuracy is critical to winning big.

PanzerAggie06 said:

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Cinco Ranch Aggie said:

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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The "momentum" is two loses.

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Wet blanket are you?

Yeah, two losses, but totally ignore 11 wins. Yep, you're a wet blanket.

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Facts care nothing about your feelings. But don't let it get you down. Keep thrashing those pompoms about.

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Let me get this straight....all the playoff teams, except for one, are a bunch of losers and their coaches are losers since they all have lost their last game and now the program is on a downward spiral/momentum????

Such a loser/defeated attitude to take.

Let's recap.

2024 - have just smacked LSU and are all alone in 1st place. Loss to South Carolina. Loss to Auburn who was abysmally bad that year. Win against OOC. Loss at home to sips. Loss at bowl game to USC. SC and tu finished that year with solid records, one a playoff team that made the semifinals. On the other hand, choked away a 3-score lead on the Trojans. Down 21-0 in the first quarter to an Auburn team that had difficulty scoring all season up to that game.

2025 - Nothing to complain about up to the game against South Carolina. Down big at halftime for a variety of reasons - bad defense and ugly turnovers chief among those reasons. Then stage a miraculous second half comeback to beat the Gamecocks. Beat OOC. On the road to Austin at 11-0, #3 in the nation, lead at half time, then gack up huge chunks of yards to a previously anemic sip running game and ultimately lose by 10. Still, 11-1 but now #7, where we get probably the worst slot in the playoffs against Miami. Move the ball up and down the field throughout, outgaining the Canes by a fairly significant margin, but shoot ourselves in the foot consistently with bad execution or bad play calling, have a FG blocked, but are right on the door with less than a minute to potentially tie when Reed throws his second interception of the game.

I don't know how you don't consider 2024 a collapse. Before SC, the Gamecocks were a team that had not managed to break through, but they did against the Ags, who could not tackle Sellers or pretty much anyone else that night, and SC blasted us in the second half. They went on to win out, just missing a playoff bid due to their 3 earlier losses. In retrospect it's just a team that lost to another that happened to click that night. Losing to Auburn and USC in the bowl is what I consider the collapse. You simply don't lose those games. Sips went to the semi-finals. While I hate those bozos with a lifelong passion, it was going to take a significant effort (which we got on defense, not so much on offense) to beat them.

In 2025, you are right in that we played harder teams right at the end. The South Carolina miracle should never have been necessary, but the fact that we came back to win did calm my nerves about the team overall for the final two regular season games. But, the Aggies had a lead against the sips at halftime and could not close the deal. This is against a team that had to go to OT to beat an awful Mississippi State team that we blasted a few weeks earlier. In the playoff, ultimately Miami made the plays and we didn't, but that was just a game against two pretty evenly matched teams that unfortunately we lost.

I didn't bring up John Elway.

I'm not a fan of using bad losses earlier to predict outcomes from athletic teams with good coaching later. Teams should change over the season and one always hope that it is for the better. It would help for us to understand why we lost from the coaches's perspective and what they will do to address it.

Texas beat us as did Miami but we were in the game "Jimbo-style" to the end. We lost mainly because the offensive game plan was inadequate or, wait for it, lacked correct execution…Jimbo-style…

RangerAg87 said:

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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Cinco Ranch Aggie said:

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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The "momentum" is two loses.

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Wet blanket are you?

Yeah, two losses, but totally ignore 11 wins. Yep, you're a wet blanket.

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Facts care nothing about your feelings. But don't let it get you down. Keep thrashing those pompoms about.

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Let me get this straight....all the playoff teams, except for one, are a bunch of losers and their coaches are losers since they all have lost their last game and now the program is on a downward spiral/momentum????

Such a loser/defeated attitude to take.

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In the desperate attempt to prove your point do you always create pure fiction? I stated the momentum of the team was 2 loses. That's it. Nothing was written about the team being losers or the coaches being losers. So, take a deep breath and relax. You'll be OK.

PanzerAggie06 said:

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RangerAg87 said:

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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Cinco Ranch Aggie said:

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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The "momentum" is two loses.

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Wet blanket are you?

Yeah, two losses, but totally ignore 11 wins. Yep, you're a wet blanket.

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Facts care nothing about your feelings. But don't let it get you down. Keep thrashing those pompoms about.

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Let me get this straight....all the playoff teams, except for one, are a bunch of losers and their coaches are losers since they all have lost their last game and now the program is on a downward spiral/momentum????

Such a loser/defeated attitude to take.

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In the desperate attempt to prove your point do you always create pure fiction? I stated the momentum of the team was 2 loses. That's it. Nothing was written about the team being losers or the coaches being losers. So, take a deep breath and relax. You'll be OK.

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lol...desperate? Seems you are the desperate one, getting upset when we call you out for your loser attitude. And, I simply stated the fact that only one playoff team is not on a current losing streak....does that mean all of our teams have a "losing" momentum? Or, does is simply mean all of our teams (CFP teams) are pretty good, but need to shore up some deficiencies to win it all next year?

And, I will say it again, your take on this is a loser/defeatist type mentality. We won 11 games, that is very good and is NOT indicative of a bad or losing team. Yes, we need to get better, but also yes, we are/were pretty good.

RangerAg87 said:

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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RangerAg87 said:

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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Cinco Ranch Aggie said:

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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The "momentum" is two loses.

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Wet blanket are you?

Yeah, two losses, but totally ignore 11 wins. Yep, you're a wet blanket.

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Facts care nothing about your feelings. But don't let it get you down. Keep thrashing those pompoms about.

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Let me get this straight....all the playoff teams, except for one, are a bunch of losers and their coaches are losers since they all have lost their last game and now the program is on a downward spiral/momentum????

Such a loser/defeated attitude to take.

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In the desperate attempt to prove your point do you always create pure fiction? I stated the momentum of the team was 2 loses. That's it. Nothing was written about the team being losers or the coaches being losers. So, take a deep breath and relax. You'll be OK.

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lol...desperate? Seems you are the desperate one, getting upset when we call you out for your loser attitude. And, I simply stated the fact that only one playoff team is not on a current losing streak....does that mean all of our teams have a "losing" momentum? Or, does is simply mean all of our teams (CFP teams) are pretty good, but need to shore up some deficiencies to win it all next year?

And, I will say it again, your take on this is a loser/defeatist type mentality. We won 11 games, that is very good and is NOT indicative of a bad or losing team. Yes, we need to get better, but also yes, we are/were pretty good.

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So, you didn't take a deep breath and relax clearly. It's OK. Hysteria is quite common here so it's not too big of a distraction.

And more fiction I see. Where did I state 11 wins wasn't good or indicative of a good team? Your panties have bunched so tightly over nothing. I merely corrected a poster who stated the teams momentum was 11 wins when in fact it was 2 loses. That's it cupcake. Your sensitivity to such a mundane statement is something of an indicator of your own insecurities with where the program sits. Cheer up man…. We have NEXT YEAR!!!

RangerAg87 said:

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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RangerAg87 said:

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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Cinco Ranch Aggie said:

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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The "momentum" is two loses.

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Wet blanket are you?

Yeah, two losses, but totally ignore 11 wins. Yep, you're a wet blanket.

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Facts care nothing about your feelings. But don't let it get you down. Keep thrashing those pompoms about.

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Let me get this straight....all the playoff teams, except for one, are a bunch of losers and their coaches are losers since they all have lost their last game and now the program is on a downward spiral/momentum????

Such a loser/defeated attitude to take.

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In the desperate attempt to prove your point do you always create pure fiction? I stated the momentum of the team was 2 loses. That's it. Nothing was written about the team being losers or the coaches being losers. So, take a deep breath and relax. You'll be OK.

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lol...desperate? Seems you are the desperate one, getting upset when we call you out for your loser attitude. And, I simply stated the fact that only one playoff team is not on a current losing streak....does that mean all of our teams have a "losing" momentum? Or, does is simply mean all of our teams (CFP teams) are pretty good, but need to shore up some deficiencies to win it all next year?

And, I will say it again, your take on this is a loser/defeatist type mentality. We won 11 games, that is very good and is NOT indicative of a bad or losing team. Yes, we need to get better, but also yes, we are/were pretty good.

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You're arguing with a person with at least three socks - blonde coffee beans, panzeraggie and justice beaver are all the same person who lives here to make the argument that no matter what you say or think, the Ags have sucked, do suck and will always suck. HTH. Respectfully.

Also, no matter how insulting or antagonistic "they" are, don't call "them" any names because "they" are pretty fragile and aren't afraid to run to the mods and have you banned for a few days.

the more coolest guy said:

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RangerAg87 said:

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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RangerAg87 said:

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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Cinco Ranch Aggie said:

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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The "momentum" is two loses.

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Wet blanket are you?

Yeah, two losses, but totally ignore 11 wins. Yep, you're a wet blanket.

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Facts care nothing about your feelings. But don't let it get you down. Keep thrashing those pompoms about.

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Let me get this straight....all the playoff teams, except for one, are a bunch of losers and their coaches are losers since they all have lost their last game and now the program is on a downward spiral/momentum????

Such a loser/defeated attitude to take.

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In the desperate attempt to prove your point do you always create pure fiction? I stated the momentum of the team was 2 loses. That's it. Nothing was written about the team being losers or the coaches being losers. So, take a deep breath and relax. You'll be OK.

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lol...desperate? Seems you are the desperate one, getting upset when we call you out for your loser attitude. And, I simply stated the fact that only one playoff team is not on a current losing streak....does that mean all of our teams have a "losing" momentum? Or, does is simply mean all of our teams (CFP teams) are pretty good, but need to shore up some deficiencies to win it all next year?

And, I will say it again, your take on this is a loser/defeatist type mentality. We won 11 games, that is very good and is NOT indicative of a bad or losing team. Yes, we need to get better, but also yes, we are/were pretty good.

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You're arguing with a person with at least three socks - blonde coffee beans, panzeraggie and justice beaver are all the same person who lives here to make the argument that no matter what you say or think, the Ags have sucked, do suck and will always suck. HTH. Respectfully.

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This is comical. Ive posted more pictures of myself than anyone in the zoo.

Ironically, you're LB12DIAMOND

Pot meet kettle moment at its finest

the more coolest guy said:

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Also, no matter how insulting or antagonistic "they" are, don't call "them" any names because "they" are pretty fragile and aren't afraid to run to the mods and have you banned for a few days.

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Socks and getting people banned!!! A double dose of petulant accusations all because I stated our momentum was 2 loses. And all this from a t-shirt fan. Thanks…. you've actually made my day.

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the more coolest guy said:

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RangerAg87 said:

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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RangerAg87 said:

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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Cinco Ranch Aggie said:

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PanzerAggie06 said:

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The "momentum" is two loses.

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Wet blanket are you?

Yeah, two losses, but totally ignore 11 wins. Yep, you're a wet blanket.

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Facts care nothing about your feelings. But don't let it get you down. Keep thrashing those pompoms about.

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Let me get this straight....all the playoff teams, except for one, are a bunch of losers and their coaches are losers since they all have lost their last game and now the program is on a downward spiral/momentum????

Such a loser/defeated attitude to take.

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In the desperate attempt to prove your point do you always create pure fiction? I stated the momentum of the team was 2 loses. That's it. Nothing was written about the team being losers or the coaches being losers. So, take a deep breath and relax. You'll be OK.

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lol...desperate? Seems you are the desperate one, getting upset when we call you out for your loser attitude. And, I simply stated the fact that only one playoff team is not on a current losing streak....does that mean all of our teams have a "losing" momentum? Or, does is simply mean all of our teams (CFP teams) are pretty good, but need to shore up some deficiencies to win it all next year?

And, I will say it again, your take on this is a loser/defeatist type mentality. We won 11 games, that is very good and is NOT indicative of a bad or losing team. Yes, we need to get better, but also yes, we are/were pretty good.

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You're arguing with a person with at least three socks - blonde coffee beans, panzeraggie and justice beaver are all the same person who lives here to make the argument that no matter what you say or think, the Ags have sucked, do suck and will always suck. HTH. Respectfully.

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This is comical. Ive posted more pictures of myself than anyone in the zoo.

Ironically, you're LB12DIAMOND

Pot meet kettle moment at its finest

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He's onto us….shhhhh.

Let's talk about 2024 Reed. He brought us back to where we should have beaten auburn but the defense that had stifled Auburn in the 4th quarter folded at the end. Reed led us on a late 4th quarter td to take the lead against uscw in a game we should have won until a late game collapse by the defense. So pinning those on Reed is just wishful thinking for the Reed bashers. .

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Let's recap.

2025 - Nothing to complain about up to the game against South Carolina. On the road to Austin at 11-0, #3 in the nation, lead at half time, then gack up huge chunks of yards to a previously anemic sip running game and ultimately lose by 10. Still, 11-1 but now #7, where we get probably the worst slot in the playoffs against Miami. Move the ball up and down the field throughout, outgaining the Canes by a fairly significant margin, but shoot ourselves in the foot consistently with bad execution or bad play calling, have a FG blocked, but are right on the door with less than a minute to potentially tie when Reed throws his second interception of the game.

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Lol.
Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?

AWP 97 said:

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Reed's skillset is limited so Wiggins' job is planning an offense to maximize this limited skillset. Good luck!

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The offense may very well be doomed if Wiggins plans to feature Owens in the games that really matter.

The tu and Miami failures were not just reed but combo of pathetic coordinator, poor position coaching, no rb threat and all around poor effort. Reed will never be a pocket passer, so if they try to shove that square peg into a round hole against a good team, it ain't gonna work, ever.

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If Reed can improve his accuracy in the off-season, He would be an amazing dual threat QB.

The INT's, constant over or under throws, and missed reads are killing him.

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Reed just IS NOT an SEC quality QB.
Trying to mold him into one is probably impossible !

Hope the do well next year

Until then (and even then) I'm not going to give this any thought as it is out of my control.

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There are 3 QBs I can remember who have had to learn not to choke in big games.

Peyton Manning focused on simplifying in-play decisions by studying pre-snap - OMAHA OMAHA!
Matt Stafford was similarly removed from decision-making and was told what to do - McVay made the call...
John Elway never really learned to be clutch; they just changed his role to bus driver - Shanahan focused on defense first and Terrell Davis.

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These are some fantastic hot takes.

If Marcel Reed can take the easy throws, be more accurate on those throws, and stop forcing passes, he will become a great dual threat quarterback.

Law Of The Quad said:

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Coach Wiggins in my view brings two things to elevate M Reed.
He brings a fresh set of eyes, a different perspective which can be helpful in making adjustments for real improvement. Wiggins brings the WR perspective, CK brought the QB view.

At the same time Wiggins has a history of data on Marcel that helps in not killing the things that worked.

Coach Elko seems to be using a very logical approach to improving the offense, elevating Marcel and holding on to the momentum of 11 wins.

The team can always go out and get a new OC, but to go outside to hire at this time would likely work to Marcel's disadvantage.

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Wiggins and I have a lot in common. We both bring a fresh set of eyes, we both now have a history of data, and neither of us has ever been an OC.

The Miami game wasn't a collapse. Horrendous weather and a great D make it pretty tough to score. Hate to break it to you but a team always has to lose in college ball.

A 1 score losses against the team that was one drive away from winning it all shouldn't get your panties so bunched up.

ironmanag said:

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Age and experience will do more for Reed. I don't get why this is so hard for the zoo to understand.

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Because Marcel is not named Johnny nor Bucky...

Marcel Reed leads us to our best season since 1939 (with a CFP berth) and gets treated like offal because we lost to tu.

I hate to say it but right now Reed = Mond. Adequate but not phenomenal. Flashy moments but mainly functional for the norm. I don't expect much of a change in Reed's passing but I am hopeful that he excels above expectations.

All I can say is we'll know if it worked when we see it .

AgExtension said:

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John Elway never learned to be clutch?!?!? That is the most idiotic thing I've seen on this forum. Record for number of 4th quarter/ OT comebacks. Worked miracles with inferior talent around hijm (got to Superbowls and then blown out when faced with higher talent NFC teams. Overcame extremely conservative coaching in Dan Reeves. Finally won Superbowls when he didnt have to be a one man army. Oy Vey.

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Elway just lacked common sense.. He blew so many opportunities by throwing full speed at receivers 5-10 yds distance, over & over & over, his entire career.

Blue Chip said:

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AgExtension said:

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John Elway never learned to be clutch?!?!? That is the most idiotic thing I've seen on this forum. Record for number of 4th quarter/ OT comebacks. Worked miracles with inferior talent around hijm (got to Superbowls and then blown out when faced with higher talent NFC teams. Overcame extremely conservative coaching in Dan Reeves. Finally won Superbowls when he didnt have to be a one man army. Oy Vey.

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Elway just lacked common sense.. He blew so many opportunities by throwing full speed at receivers 5-10 yds distance, over & over & over, his entire career.

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Yeah, Elway really sucked, huh. No common sense:

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2 Super Bowl champion (XXXII, XXXIII)
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NFL Most Valuable Player (1987)
NFL Man of the Year (1992)
3 Second-team All-Pro (1987, 1993, 1996)
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NFL passing yards leader (1993)
NFL 1990s All-Decade Team
NFL 100th Anniversary All-Time Team
Denver Broncos Ring of Fame
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Sammy Baugh Trophy (1982)
Unanimous All-American (1982)
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NCAA passing touchdowns leader (1982)
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Pop Warner Trophy (1982)
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