POT 1
Real Madrid
Eintracht Frankfurt
Manchester City
AC Milan
Bayern Munich
Paris Saint-Germain
FC Porto
Ajax

POT 2
Liverpool
Chelsea
Barcelona
Juventus
Atletico Madrid
Sevilla
RB Leipzig
Tottenham Hotspur

POT 3
Borussia Dortmund
FC Salzburg
Shakhtar Donetsk
Inter Milan
Napoli
Benfica
Sporting CP
Bayer Leverkusen

POT 4
Rangers
Dinamo Zagreb
Marseille
FC Copenhagen
Club Brugge
Celtic
Viktoria Plzen
Maccabi Haifa

Hey...so.. um said:

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Can we all agree to just talk all euro soccer on this thread without the threat of gooners ruining it?

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Fair enough. Would hate to ruin Spurs special day when they find out which pot 4 team they will be finishing ahead of and which pot 1 & 3 teams they will finish behind.

But really I think all the EPL teams should be heavy favorites to advance from their group. Dortmund hasn't been great but their counter attack style tends to make them more of a threat.

Draw starts at noon ET, btw.

Celtic fan here. I'm very excited about the direction we're heading in but not expecting to do much in the Champions League. I think we can make some noise in the Europa league. We will need a favorable draw to have a chance to finish 3rd though.

texagbeliever said:

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Little odd how on paper pot 2 is stronger than pot 1. I'm guessing most English club fans will be hoping to avoid Bayern, PSG & Real Madrid.

I'm rooting for a Man City - Barcelona - Dortmund - Marseille group.

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I know my stance here isn't popular, but I think the new format will help here, because yeah, it's kind of a shame that Pot 1 has to have teams that wouldn't normally belong due to them winning their league, or EL.

Club coefficients that have no business being in Pot 1 are:
Milan - 45
Frankfurt - 26
Porto - 16
Ajax - 15

I respect the drama and tradition of having champions up there, but when half the Pot doesn't really belong, it cheapens the competition for those in Pot 2 that would arguably belong there instead.

Liverpool - 2
Chelsea - 5
Barca - 6
Juve - 8

New format will help this because even if they keep seeding/pots relatively the same, if you play 10 games against different teams versus 6 games against the same 3 teams, you're less likely to be trapped in a group of death situation.

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A: Ajax, Liverpool FC
B: Porto, Atletico Madrid
C: Bayern Munich, FC Barcelona
D: Eintracht Frankfurt, Tottenham
E: AC Milan, Chelsea
F: Real Madrid, RB Leipzig,
G: Manchester City, Sevilla FC,
H: Paris Saint-Germain, Juventus,

So far the top two teams in each group

Haaland and BVB reunion!

Group C is beyond group of death

Not even Spurs can bottle that group... Or can they?!

AustinAg2012 said:

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Not even Spurs can bottle that group... Or can they?!

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deadbq03 said:

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texagbeliever said:

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Little odd how on paper pot 2 is stronger than pot 1. I'm guessing most English club fans will be hoping to avoid Bayern, PSG & Real Madrid.

I'm rooting for a Man City - Barcelona - Dortmund - Marseille group.

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I know my stance here isn't popular, but I think the new format will help here, because yeah, it's kind of a shame that Pot 1 has to have teams that wouldn't normally belong due to them winning their league, or EL.

Club coefficients that have no business being in Pot 1 are:
Milan - 45
Frankfurt - 26
Porto - 16
Ajax - 15

I respect the drama and tradition of having champions up there, but when half the Pot doesn't really belong, it cheapens the competition for those in Pot 2 that would arguably belong there instead.

Liverpool - 2
Chelsea - 5
Barca - 6
Juve - 8

New format will help this because even if they keep seeding/pots relatively the same, if you play 10 games against different teams versus 6 games against the same 3 teams, you're less likely to be trapped in a group of death situation.

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Honestly cannot disagree more. Champions belong in pot 1. The tournament was meant for the champions to play in. Not coefficients.

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Group A: Ajax, Liverpool, Napoli, Rangers
Group B: FC Porto, Atletico Madrid, Bayer Leverkusen, Club Brugge
Group C: Bayern Munich, Barcelona, Inter Milan, Viktoria Plzen
Group D: Eintracht Frankfurt, Tottenham Hotspur, Sporting CP, Marseille
Group E: AC Milan, Chelsea, FC Salzburg, Dinamo Zagreb
Group F: Real Madrid, RB Leipzig, Shakhtar Donetsk, Celtic
Group G: Manchester City, Sevilla, Borussia Dortmund, Copenhagen
Group H: Paris Saint-Germain, Juventus, Benfica, Maccabi Haifa

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Tottenham looks to have a very easy draw.

Not long ago, I'd say Inter was screwed. Not so much now.

akm91 said:

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Group A: Ajax, Liverpool, Napoli, Rangers
Group B: FC Porto, Atletico Madrid, Bayer Leverkusen, Club Brugge
Group C: Bayern Munich, Barcelona, Inter Milan, Viktoria Plzen
Group D: Eintracht Frankfurt, Tottenham Hotspur, Sporting CP, Marseille
Group E: AC Milan, Chelsea, FC Salzburg, Dinamo Zagreb
Group F: Real Madrid, RB Leipzig, Shakhtar Donetsk, Celtic
Group G: Manchester City, Sevilla, Borussia Dortmund, Copenhagen
Group H: Paris Saint-Germain, Juventus, Benfica, Maccabi Haifa

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Tottenham looks to have a very easy draw.

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Spurs were clearly jealous of Arsenal and asked for a Europa League group instead

Barcelona is going to be pretty tough by the time ECL matches start.

themissinglink said:

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Celtic fan here. I'm very excited about the direction we're heading in but not expecting to do much in the Champions League. I think we can make some noise in the Europa league. We will need a favorable draw to have a chance to finish 3rd though.

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An okay draw for us. Real Madrid will probably slaughter us, but I think we can be competitive against Leipzig and Shakhtar.

DeangeloVickers said:

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Group C is beyond group of death

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…it's also the group of rape?

Group C of Champions League pic.twitter.com/KGludl0Gkj

— Troll Football (@TrollFootball) August 25, 2022

To round back to the discussion of pots and coefficients. Why in the world was Tottenham in pot 2? There is literally no reason. They have won nothing. Ever.

I was about to say Leipzig hasn't either, but that's technically not true anymore now that that we won the Farmer's Cup last year.

That said, "ever" is a really long time, so it really is just Leipzig that's never ever won anything meaningful.

Furlock Bones said:

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To round back to the discussion of pots and coefficients. Why in the world was Tottenham in pot 2? There is literally no reason. They have won nothing. Ever.

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Tottenham's coefficient is still high because it's based on the last five seasons. The last five seasons include two Round of 16 CL runs, a CL final, a Round of 16 in EL, and last season... Tottenham's total coefficient will decrease over the next few seasons unless they can make some deep runs in the CL the next few years.

But yes, please let the "won nothing ever" argument fuel your anger.

They aren't winners. Zero trophies. Coefficients are stupid. So are intraleague restrictions. I'll die on this hill. The powers that be just want to insure Porto and the like never win again.