Watching on delay, this ref is so out of his depth.. completely let the game get away from him by not being proactive. Finally gets the red right for Mexico, and then gives Wes a red while he has 2 dudes wrestling with him. Somehow those are the only cards. Who is this idiot Unkel giving her 'expert' opinion all game, no one wants to hear them just always defend the ref no matter what.

Math guy is right, the ref was calling an ok game up until about 50 minutes in. Then he didn't have the confidence to keep the game under control, and ruined it
The good news is we have quality depth, the bad news is without Tyler Adams it really hurts to lose Wes

Also we completely destroyed them

The kid at the end though

ALL ABOARD 🚂

Ricardo Pepi makes an instant impact off the bench to make it 3-0! 🇺🇸

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— FOX Soccer (@FOXSoccer) June 16, 2023

Just like to wake up this morning and say "go **** yourself Mexico"

3rd goal was great work and a great ball in from Dest, well-timed run by Pepi and poor timing by the MX defender stepping up a fraction of a second too late, keeping him onside.

I think it was pretty close and when these go to VAR, it depends on the frame they stop the playback for the ball in on whether it's rules on or off side.

On this one, should the AR raise his flag and let VAR review for an obvious mistake or should he let it go and let VAR review for an obvious mistake?

It makes the most sense to me to leave your arm down and let it go since all goals are reviewed anyway and if Pepi hadn't scored, it's most likely a change of possession to MX anyway. That being said, given the pace of the run and the bad step up to draw him off by the Mx defender, it would be easy for some ARs to see that much space and want to raise the flag.


My beef last night was with the head ref for letting trash Mexicans do what they do and losing control of the match and the 4th official for calling in a RC via VAR on Weston.

Balogun after playing in his first USA-Mexico match. 🇺🇸🇲🇽💥 pic.twitter.com/gb01QagXk8

— Men in Blazers (@MenInBlazers) June 16, 2023

Yep, the goal is a perfect example of what VAR should be used for...the red card, not so much

What a fun match! Helps that USA absolutely destroyed LLL-Tri but man, that was entertaining!

Loved the US attack. Not perfect but the pieces are there and with time to gel, this can be a very exciting and potent attack.

USA just totally outclassed MX tonight. Question for the board: how many of Mexico's first teamers were omitted? Chucky, Lainez, dos Santos, Jimenez, who else? There was a huge gap in quality, just wondering how much was due to Mexico's selection being newbies.

Regarding the buffoonery on the pitch, as has been stated - ref lost control. BUT, it doesn't help when USA players are providing excuses to get red-carded. In McKinnie's case, I guess he'd just had one too many throat-grabbings or face-shovings at the hands of a trashy Mexican player and finally snapped. I mean, he's been abused more times than I can count in matches against MX, so I'm chalking up his response to a preponderance of prior assaults.

Dest's red is less explicable/excusable, in my opinion, because it was a result of him being goaded into the send-off. He has to let that shove to his face go and allow VAR to sort things out. The person who retaliates gets popped. EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.

I've said it before, I'll say it again and I'll keep saying it until proven wrong: Mexican soccer fans are the trashies in CONCACAF and challenge for worst anywhere. You know going in there will be chants of puto, beer cups and water bottles tossed onto the pitch, idiots kicked out of the stands. Its just what their fans bring to the table, and its 100 percent consistent and its just total garbage.

Finally, F--K OFF to the US Soccer Federation. Retreading GGG after all the BS the last 8 months is just a slap in the face to the American soccer fan.

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Tecatito was missing, think he's recovering from injury as well.

There are two problems for LLL Tri that I see:
1. They never integrated the younger players into the pool as part of WC2022 cycle. What you're seeing is basically what we went through as part of 2019-2021 which is a lot of new faces with minimal international experience.
2. Structurally, their league/federation doesn't let many of their talented players go overseas and get the experience in the ultra competitive leagues in Europe. If you look at the starting lineup last night, only one US starter (Miles) does not plays in the top leagues in Europe while majority of the LLL Tri starters plays in Liga MX.

Historically they've had the tactical and technical edge over USMNT (due to Liga MX being around for 80 yrs) and we've compensated with athleticism and fighting spirit. Now our players have as much if not more tactical and technical skills with the athleticism edge; it isn't a wonder that we're seeing a string of positive results.

Edit - One thing I forgot to add for point 2 is the depth that we have now. We have players on the bench that are playing in top European leagues. Scally, Luca, Weah/Gio (when Adams is healthy), Aaronson, Richards/Trusty/CCV/McKenzie.

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Good to hear some lady talk about how VAR is doing it's job tho.. bimbo

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Comments like this don't help anything.

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What? What am I hurting? It was my honest assessment..

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Who tf calls a woman a bimbo? Cmon man.

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Sorry.. unqualified fool* better?

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Not being a sexist *******? Yeah, big improvement.

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I'm not sexist.. I hate incompetence of any gender. Hers is noteworthy because she was almost certainly a diversity hire..

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Look at her bio...she's been a practicing lawyer for years and has 20+ years as a soccer ref at a ton of different levels but yeah because she's a woman it must be a diversity pick. Call her a fool, call her a moron, disagree but pull back on the terminology.

As an aside,I have always found it ironic that a board created to support a women's team hammers any female centric post. Be it the blued post about not being able to hire a "real" coach because of the USWNT lawsuit (don't know the validity of this or not). I mean the most stickied post is to remind dudes not to be creepy about college age girls that look good in shorts.

She's no different than any of the rules wonks in any other sport...they'll lean to the letter of the law and explain what is and isn't allowed. It always makes the process feel like exactly that a process. Be it a catch or targeting in football or whatever call in soccer.

Do I agree in theory with both of our red cards? No but they are red cards none the less. We got baited and took the bait. The rules are clear. Should others have gotten cards? I think so but I don't know how much leeway VAR has there. The ultimate fault lies with the ref by not controlling the game earlier.

The one on Gio was certainly a yellow and couldn't disagree more, since IMO he clearly lined him up and led with his shoulder. I'm not an expert on how much leeway VAR has to overturn the ref's call on the field in this situation but it seemed pretty clear live and even more clear in replay.

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What? What am I hurting? It was my honest assessment..

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Who tf calls a woman a bimbo? Cmon man.

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Sorry.. unqualified fool* better?

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Not being a sexist *******? Yeah, big improvement.

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I'm not sexist.. I hate incompetence of any gender. Hers is noteworthy because she was almost certainly a diversity hire..

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Look at her bio...she's been a practicing lawyer for years and has 20+ years as a soccer ref at a ton of different levels but yeah because she's a woman it must be a diversity pick. Call her a fool, call her a moron, disagree but pull back on the terminology.

As an aside,I have always found it ironic that a board created to support a women's team hammers any female centric post. Be it the blued post about not being able to hire a "real" coach because of the USWNT lawsuit (don't know the validity of this or not). I mean the most stickied post is to remind dudes not to be creepy about college age girls that look good in shorts.

She's no different than any of the rules wonks in any other sport...they'll lean to the letter of the law and explain what is and isn't allowed. It always makes the process feel like exactly that a process. Be it a catch or targeting in football or whatever call in soccer.

Do I agree in theory with both of our red cards? No but they are red cards none the less. We got baited and took the bait. The rules are clear. Should others have gotten cards? I think so but I don't know how much leeway VAR has there. The ultimate fault lies with the ref by not controlling the game earlier.

The one on Gio was certainly a yellow and couldn't disagree more, since IMO he clearly lined him up and led with his shoulder. I'm not an expert on how much leeway VAR has to overturn the ref's call on the field in this situation but it seemed pretty clear live and even more clear in replay.

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VAR had absolutely every right to stop play and sort through all of the cards that should have been handed out. But surprise surprise they didn't because Mexico would be down to like 8 men at that point. The head ref made the decision not to card and send of Antuna thinking it would cause too much chaos. And it actually allowed the chaos to unfold.

But that's concacrap and unfortunately our soccer federation is absolutely too inept to force changes.

Also the rules lady absolutely got it wrong on the Antuna challenge as well.

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You mean 8 players total, bench and field combined.

Dest - no
McKennie - yes

There should have been minimum 3 other players tossed if you're going to eject McKennie there.

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There should have been minimum 3 other players tossed if you're going to eject McKennie there.

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100% agreed. It's worse that it was VAR.

Positive talking point...Pulisic just dominated that game, thats a good advertisement for a club looking to make a move for him

Just how bad was the Mexican team last night?

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