Is Andrew Bynum still a top 3 center? better than Tim Duncan, Greg Oden, David Lee, Brook Lopez, Andrew Bogut. because the dude is making Oden look reliable

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LOS ANGELES -- Lakers starting center Andrew Bynum left Friday's game against the Minnesota Timberwolves because of a strained left Achilles tendon and will be out of the lineup indefinitely, pending further evaluation.

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http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/news/story?id=5012204

him and oden are neck and neck hobbling for most overrated big men in the nba with injury problems. bynum is now hurt BADLY every single year.


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In all seriousness, is this guy not the slowest healer in the history of basketball? Seems like he always takes longer to heal than the doctors say. Maybe he's just a bad rehabber like Knee-Mac.

[This message has been edited by HotardAg07 (edited 3/29/2010 5:37p).]

bynum has played in 65 games this year. oden hasnt played 65 games in his career. (facetious stat for those who wanna flip their sheet over me). it's actually 82 games oden has played IN HIS CAREER.

argument is irrlelevant. this isn't a major injury. he will be back, worst case, by mid april.


and yes....absolutely 100% bynum is a top 3 center. this season he is averaging 15ppg, 8.3rpg, 1.4bpg while shooting 57% from the field (#5 league leader in the nba) and 74% from the line. he's the second best center in the league.

[This message has been edited by Simplebay (edited 3/29/2010 6:37p).]

Some of Bynum's statistical rankings from this year, from NBA.com
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Rebounding: 12th among centers
Scoring: 8th among centers
Blocks: 10th among centers
Efficiency: 9th among centers

It's not even like he is getting edged by guys who are really good in one category and deficient in others... it's the same 8-9 guys beating him in every category, and these are only the centers.


But yeah, clearly top 3. Oh, and he has missed an average of 26.4 games per year over the course of 5 seasons.

[This message has been edited by aero ag 2010 (edited 3/29/2010 6:47p).]

only top 2 because Yao is not playing

ah whatever happened to the days of the big men, when stats that can't even top Rik Smits deem someone the 2nd best center in the league

Nobody else needs to reply to this thread, so just stop.

aero ag officially ended it.

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and yes....absolutely 100% bynum is a top 3 center. this season he is averaging 15ppg, 8.3rpg, 1.4bpg while shooting 57% from the field (#5 league leader in the nba) and 74% from the line. he's the second best center in the league.

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My God

This is hilarious!!

He really believes Bynum is the 2nd best center!!!

Simplebay -- give me 2 statistical reasons that Andrew Bynum is better than Andrew Bogut or Brook Lopez.

this is where i use the.....any GM in the league would take Bynum over Lopez and Bogut.

Those 2 are the primary guys on really bad teams. no wonder their stats are a little better.


If you don't think any team would rather have Bynum over those 2....you're insane.

I think there is some common ground that isn't being explored here, amongst all the back-and-forth jabs.

If you throw out the reliability factor, Bynum is better than any that you metioned other than Duncan, IMO. He may not have the numbers statistically that those other guys have, but he is playing alongside guys who really hurt his stats. Kobe, Gasol, Odom and Artest all have games that command lots of touches, which reduces Bynum's ability to score.
Same thing with rebounds. I seriously doubt there is another team in the league that has 3 guys that pull down 8+ per game.
Now look at the other guys you mentioned and the kind of teams they play on (throw out Duncan because its just stupid to compare the two). Other than Oden, you're talking about guys that are the "best player on a bad team".

At some point you have to throw out the stats and just watch the guy play. If you go by stats or PER, Al Jefferson doesn't grade out better than Nazr Mohammed, but we all know who the better player is.

Bynum has a long way to go, and he isn't one of the game's elite big men. But he is better than most of those previously mentioned if you disregard reliability.

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any GM in the league would take Bynum over Lopez and Bogut.

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I would bet nearly all GM's would take Lopez over Bynum.

I bet more than half would take Bogut over Bynum.

I bet a handful would take Marc Gasol over Bynum.

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.any GM in the league would take Bynum over Lopez and Bogut.

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give me a healthy chris kaman, andrew bogut and brook lopez over bynum please

the stats even back me up

Bynum is very good.. well above average. But at best he is in the 5-10 range.

The upside for Lopez is faaaaar beyond that of Bynum.

Now stop, aero ended this thread already!!!!

I don't know if you've noticed or not, but the Bucks are 5th in the East and have one of the best records since the All-Star break...

The Bucks are an okay team. My point was they don't have near the talent of the Lakers, so the stats are misleading.

I would agree with previous posters. Top ten, not top three. Lopez is already better, and he is going to be great.

You're right -- they don't have the talent of the Lakers -- making what he's doing that much more impressive. Would the Bucks be making this run if you switched out Bogut with Bynum? Hell no.

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they don't have the talent of the Lakers -- making what Bynum is doing that much more impressive with a team with Kobe Bryant, Ron Artest, Pau Gasol, and Lamar Odom all taking away points, rebounds, and blocks from bynum.

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dude, just admit that you were slightly off base. You dont even have to say you were wrong.. just that you werent 100% right. Its not freaking hard.

brook lopez right now better than andrew bynum?

uhhh...no.

Bynum might be the second best center based on the eye test, but so far he simply has not shown that he is capable of producing like a top 5 center even when he is playing.

He is one of the most athletic and least skilled centers in the NBA.

yeah i sure hate that little fact that LA was able to win a championship with him but wasn't able to without him.

he certainly isn't skilled at all.

what a retarded argument. it's beyond stats.

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yeah i sure hate that little fact that LA was able to win a championship with him but wasn't able to without him.

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If this is the determinant then: Robert Horry >>> Kobe.

Kiss the rings!

Simplebay, if you are going to use the excuse of the Lakers having so much other talent around him, then you can use him as the reason they won a championship.

But continue being a hypocrite.

that's precisely what i can do. lets follow this:

his stats are not better than Bogut's in some categories because he is the first option on their offense. Whereas Bynum is at best 3rd option.

However, he is still more talented than Bogut because he is the difference maker between championship and not. That is the way we can distinguish Bynum on a team full of talented people. Whereas OF COURSE Bogut's stats make him look talented on a team full of nobodies that won't even sniff a championship.

[This message has been edited by Simplebay (edited 3/31/2010 11:37a).]

Bogut has an array of offensive moves in the post that make him successful as the primary offensive focus of the Bucks. He can draw double teams, kick it out, and make his offense successful. A large part of Bynums points come from offense rebounds and putbacks, or simply being unaccounted for early in possessions and getting deep position under th basket. Bynum could not replace Bogut because he's nothing but a role player. Nice athleticism, limited tools. He doesn't have the arsenal Bogut has, so he couldn't replace Bogut on the Bucks. He would struggle as the focus of a defense and he's never seen a double team in his career. He's one of the worst passers amongst big men in the league, despite playing with some of the most talented players in the league.

Stop pretending he's something he's not. Bogut/Lopez are better shot blockers, scorers, and are equal rebounders. Bynum may have an athleticism edge on Bogut, but probably not on Lopez. The reason Bynum is so far down the scoring options list on the Lakers is because he's NOT the 2nd best center in the league. If he was, then he'd get more looks. Pau Gasol might be the 2nd best center in the league.

Andrew Bynum has to be the most overhyped player in the NBA.

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However, he is still more talented than Bogut because he is the difference maker between championship and not. That is the way we can distinguish Bynum on a team full of talented people. Whereas OF COURSE Bogut's stats make him look talented on a team full of nobodies that won't even sniff a championship.

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The lakers would have an even greater chance to win the title with Bogut over Bynum. Put them both in the same situation and Bogut is better.

you put Bogut or Lopez on the Lakers instead of Bynum, i guarentee you their numbers are worse than Bynum's.

oh and for the record IMO Lopez >>> Bogut.

I would probably agree with that. Bynum is a much better fit as a role player than Lopez/Bogut for that Laker team. But no way is he individually better than the two IMO.

[This message has been edited by ItalAggie (edited 3/31/2010 1:54p).]

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However, he is still more talented than Bogut because he is the difference maker between championship and not. That is the way we can distinguish Bynum on a team full of talented people

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How can you even make that assertion.

Different teams faced in the playoffs, different circumstances. This isn;t a vaccuum where you can say Bynum = Chip, No Bynum = No chip, Thus Bynum is more valuable because he directly causes championships.

That's not only incredibly naive, but also an asinine argument to make considering that each set of games and playoffs are effected by numerous variable, only ONE of which Bynum affects.

Super....it doesn't matter. This is not an arguable point. Lakers had the same team essentially....lost in the finals without Bynum....won championship with Bynum.

Boston and Orlando....2 teams that use their big men as a huge part of their game plan.

Bynum = a huge cause for the championship. and im not sure the Lakers get it with Bogut or Lopez in that situation.

Bynum >>>> Lopez >>>> Bogut.

This is dumb.

By your definition, Sun Yue, Shannon Brown, Adam Morrison & Josh Powell are all some of the best at their positions since the Lakers won a championship with them in 2009,and didn't without them in 2008.

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However, he is still more talented than Bogut because he is the difference maker between championship and not. That is the way we can distinguish Bynum on a team full of talented people. Whereas OF COURSE Bogut's stats make him look talented on a team full of nobodies that won't even sniff a championship.

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Ginobili > Kobe
Garnett, Ray Allen > anyone on the Lakers (2008)
anyone on the Lakers > anyone on Boston (2009)

I don't really follow this argument.

According to his own argument, Bogut should be better than Lopez because his team is better.