the 03-04 Pistons had WAAAAY more talent than any of Lebron's Cavs teams ever had, and they had WAAAAY more talent than the Cavs the year that Lebron single-handedly beat them (2007 I believe)

Once again

I submit the 94 Rockets

If he wanted to win he should have gone to Chicago.

If he wanted more fame, more fortune and to help the league that has given him so much he should have chosen NY.

If he wanted to be his own man and prove is worth and loyalty he should have choosen Cleavland.

I don't know what choosing Miama says but not much IMHO.

P.S. Barkely has been mentioned as a possible GM in PHX, that would sure make things fun....

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Not on the Bulls, but those 93-95 Suns were damn good. Elie's kiss of death is the play that ended that playoff window

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I still hate Elie for that...

i dont really get the wades "team" references. there is only 2 guys left that have ever played with wade that know he is the leader. and beasley could be traded any minute now. no one will say its wades team if they win the title and lebron gets the mvp.

Beasley has been traded to Minnesota for a second round pick and the right to swap first round picks.

must have missed that in my sleep

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lebron gets the mvp

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In my opinion, his chances of winning an MVP anytime soon are much smaller now, unless he averages 30+ and the Heat win 65+ games or something.

I agree with what internetfan said. The biggest result of this is Lebron lowered his ceiling as a legend. Unless Wade goes down with an injury (please), Lebron can't be in the discussion of top 5 players ever. He goes to the Bulls and win even 2 or 3 championships, he is in that discussion.

I think I would feel differently if it was the same 3 players meeting up on the Knicks or pretty much any other team. But this is clearly Wade's city, Wade's team. Wade brought him there.

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A.C. Green - managed to be a virgin his entire NBA career (he should be in the HOF on this alone)

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the 03-04 Pistons had WAAAAY more talent than any of Lebron's Cavs teams ever had, and they had WAAAAY more talent than the Cavs the year that Lebron single-handedly beat them (2007 I believe

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That piston team that won it all only won 52 games in the regular season.

This might sound funny, but I thought the Pistons in 2004 were a total fluke, and I actually didnt completely respect them until the next year when they took a dominant Spurs team to 7 games in the NBA finals.

They didnt have anyone on their team remotely at the level of a Lebron James.

RIP Hamilton and Mo Williams are comparable players.

Varejao and Ben Wallace are comparable players.

Rasheed Wallace and Antawn Jamison are comparable players.

Quit with the lie that the Pistons were this team just loaded to the Gills with talent and that Lebron has played with nothing but spares.

The Pistons were a great team because they had a bunch of mentally tough players.

Day in and day out the Cavs had the best player on the court. But the problem was they didn't have anybody better than the top 3 from most other teams. That is why they got drilled in the playoffs. bron couldn't do it all and there is absolutely nobody on that team capable of picking up the slack. The Cavs win 15 games next year.

Barkley never said himself in the same breath as MJ and Kobe - he can say whatever he wants. Are we saying that the only people who can talk are those who have a ring? Dumb.

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That piston team that won it all only won 52 games in the regular season.

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They also didn't get their final piece of the puzzle and best player Rasheed Wallace until almost 60 games had already been played.

They went 20-4 in their final 24 games with Rasheed to close out the season.

Kind of an important thing to note, since Rasheed was pretty much key to them winning it all.

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They didnt have anyone on their team remotely at the level of a Lebron James.

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There have only been a handful of players ever in NBA history on the level of LeBron James. Not many teams have 5 all-stars starting.

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RIP Hamilton and Mo Williams are comparable players.

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Hilarious. Mo Williams can't hold Hamilton's jock on D. He is a 6'1 185lb SG. Another undersized shooter. They aren't even remotely comparable.

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Varejao and Ben Wallace are comparable players.

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Ok, you have to be trolling now. There is no way an educated, rational, knowledgeable person could say this without laughing.

Wallace led the league in blocks, rebounds and was 4-time DPOY. Varajao has a vagina and played Sideshow Bob on the Simpsons.[citation needed]

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Rasheed Wallace and Antawn Jamison are comparable players.

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Jamison can't hold Sheed's jock on defense. Sheed had a much higher basketball IQ, but also was probably bi-polar to his detriment.

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Quit with the lie that the Pistons were this team just loaded to the Gills with talent and that Lebron has played with nothing but spares.

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The 04 Pistons were loaded with talent. Bron has played with a few good players, but he has hardly had a great team built around him ever.

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RIP Hamilton and Mo Williams are comparable players.

Varejao and Ben Wallace are comparable players.

Rasheed Wallace and Antawn Jamison are comparable players.

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I third what soup and Dan said. Good lord.

Sheed also had WAY more offensive game than Jamison ever thought about having. The guy was a poor man's KG with a better outside jumper (which is entirely his own fault thanks to his bad attitude and likely questionable work ethic). They should have knocked L.A. out in the 2000 WCF. Sheed was the motor that made that Portland team run.

Rip in his prime played with as much constant energy than anyone in the league. He was the closest thing to an antidote to Kobe at that time because he made him run the whole game on D. Miami's best shot at beating L.A. is having Wade do likewise and hoping LeBron can put 35-40 on Artest. Mo Williams is a joke that never would have been an all-star with LBJ.

Varejao and Wallace comparisons are laughable for reasons already highlighted.

The closeness of talent from starters 1-5 on that Pistons team is as close as any of any NBA champion since their Piston predecessors. Their worst starter was Prince and he was a premier defender and solid athlete. Dumars did a fantastic job of putting that team together. I'm just shocked they only won one title.

My new favorite NBA teams...
1. Rockets
2. Cavs
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29. Dallas
30. Heat



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"Evil will always win because good is dumb."

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This might sound funny, but I thought the Pistons in 2004 were a total fluke, and I actually didnt completely respect them until the next year when they took a dominant Spurs team to 7 games in the NBA finals.

They didnt have anyone on their team remotely at the level of a Lebron James.

RIP Hamilton and Mo Williams are comparable players.

Varejao and Ben Wallace are comparable players.

Rasheed Wallace and Antawn Jamison are comparable players.

Quit with the lie that the Pistons were this team just loaded to the Gills with talent and that Lebron has played with nothing but spares.

The Pistons were a great team because they had a bunch of mentally tough players.

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Funniest thing I've seen all day long. You must have slept through the middle of the past decade and woke up in 2010.

The Pistons WERE loaded with talent. It may not have been the flashy, 120 points per game talent that everyone is in love with, but they were damn good and probably one of the best defensive teams of ALL TIME.

You're going to tell me that this lineup is not loaded with talent back in 04?

Billups
Rip
Prince
Sheed
Ben Wallace

With Okur coming off the bench.

If Lebron ever had anything comparable to that roster around him, he'd already have multiple titles and Kobe would be his little beeyotch.

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I'm sorry, but I got to throw Timmy D some love. I'll concede his first two rings because Robinson was there, but his second two...all he had was Parker and Ginobli. Don't get me wrong, they are strong players, but probably not megastars like Wade and Bosh or Hall of Famers.

The great ones know how to get it done as the sole big dog in town.

I'm sorry, but I got to throw Timmy D some love. I'll concede his first two rings because Robinson was there, but his second two...all he had was Parker and Ginobli. Don't get me wrong, they are strong players, but probably not megastars like Wade and Bosh or Hall of Famers.

The great ones know how to get it done as the sole big dog in town.

Parker and Ginobli are interesting players.

On any given thread, there could be multiple posters talking about them being two of the best guards in recent memory (along with Duncan they're commonly referred to as "The Big 3", one poster said that Parker would average 30 and 7 on another team, and the love for Ginobli has always been epic).

On another thread, they could be listed as merely a strong supporting cast to make it seem like Duncan won the championships without much help. I suppose it all boils down to which point you're trying to make.

No flame. Just an observation.

People just ignore Pops submittion.

Out side of the Dreem what Rocket even made the All Star during their careers off that 94' team.

Here is that Roster:

Hakeem Olajuwon | Otis Thorpe | Vernon Maxwell | Robert Horry | Mario Elie | Sam Cassell | Chris Jent | Carl Herrera | Scott Brooks | Larry Robinson | Matt Bullard | Richard Petruska | Earl Cureton | Roy Wills | Kenny Smith |

It's the Dream and a bunch of solid role players.

The 95 championship wasn't much different other then they got an aging Drexler for Thorp.

No one did more with less then Olajuwan.

Robinson wasn't a whole lot of help in 2003.
Robinson averaged 8.5 and 7.9 on 47% shooting (all career lows) for the season. In the playoffs, he averaged 7.8 and 6.6.

However, he did have an admirable 13/17/2 in the closeout game of his career in the win over NJ.

If any superstar had less help, it was probably 2003 Duncan.

Robinson was a shadow of his former self. Parker was a 2nd year player and the only player to average over 12 points per game besides Duncan. Parker was so inconsistent that he was replaced by Speedy Claxton down the stretch in the playoffs. Ginobili was a rookie and averaged 9 points, 3 assists and 4 rebounds per game for the playoffs, a increase over his 7.6 points, 2 assists and 2 rebounds for the regular season. Malik Rose was the 6th man and the 4th best scorer.

In the playoffs, NO ONE other than Duncan averaged 15ppg. NO ONE other than Duncan averaged over 6.6 rebounds per game. NO ONE other than Duncan averaged over 3.5 assists per game. Duncan led the Spurs for the playoffs in 4 of the 5 major stat categories and set the NBA record for blocks in the finals and closed out the Finals with one of the clinching game performances ever: 21 points, 20 rebounds, 10 assists, 8 blocks. To get to the Finals, Duncan had to beat the reigning 3-time NBA champion LA Lakers with Shaq and Kobe, and the 60-win Mavericks with future HOFers Dirk and Nash.

I doubt you can name another team that had only one player average over 15ppg throughout the playoffs and still won the title. I think Hakeem and Duncan are the only two players to accomplish that in the modern era of the NBA.

One person carried that Spurs team.

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Parker and Ginobli are interesting players.

On any given thread, there could be multiple posters talking about them being two of the best guards in recent memory (along with Duncan they're commonly referred to as "The Big 3", one poster said that Parker would average 30 and 7 on another team, and the love for Ginobli has always been epic).

On another thread, they could be listed as merely a strong supporting cast to make it seem like Duncan won the championships without much help. I suppose it all boils down to which point you're trying to make.

No flame. Just an observation.

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How good they are kinda depends on the year. In 2003, they averaged a combined 23 points per game for the season. Fast Forward to the 05 or 07 version that averaged a combined ~40ppg, and you have two totally different players.

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The 95 championship wasn't much different other then they got an aging Drexler for Thorp.

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Drexler was still pretty awesome. He averaged 21 points, 5 assists and 7 rebounds per game in the playoffs in 95.

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Sheed also had WAY more offensive game than Jamison ever thought about having. The guy was a poor man's KG with a better outside jumper (which is entirely his own fault thanks to his bad attitude and likely questionable work ethic). They should have knocked L.A. out in the 2000 WCF. Sheed was the motor that made that Portland team run.

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really?????

Career Stats Atwan Jamison 19.8 ppg 8.1 rebounds

Rasheed Wallace: 14.6 ppg and 6.7 rebounds.

You guys are overating the talent on the Pistons and way underating the talent that Lebron played with.

The individual talent of the Pistons was not overwhelming.

The only player that I would consider top 5 at his position was Chauncey Billups.

They were just an incredibly efficient team.

Rasheed, with a couple of hiccups, has always been on good teams with multiple talented players...He never needed to put up those kind of numbers. The threat was always there that he could though and every once in a while he showed flashes of brilliance. Jamison spent 11 of his 13 years with the Wizards and Warriors.