Couldn't do it on his own and write his own legacy in Cleveland so he has to hook his wagon to Dwayne Wade. Diminished his legacy big time. Kobe Bryant was probably laughing his ass off. Michael Jordan probably thinks James is a big *****.

None of this changes the fact that Lebron is stil the most skilled basketball player that ever lived

It was a ***** move, though

Athletically gifted, yes. Skilled, no.

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Continues to prove that Lebron is a mental midget that doesn't have the fortitude to do it as being the team leader.

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I agree with this. I don't give a crap about Cleveland, but if he wanted to sack up and show he had the balls to lead a team to a title, I think Chicago would have been the place to go. I think the fact he chose the Dream Hoop-It-Up Team route and electing to ride biitch in DWade's car speaks volumes.

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Continues to prove that Lebron is a mental midget that doesn't have the fortitude to do it as being the team leader.

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Gotta agree with this. This decision does not seem well thought out. It reeks of hey, it would be cool if I got to play some street ball with my buds and got paid to do it. He is sacrificing a better basketball opportunity to play with friends. If he really wanted 7 championships, he would have gone to Chicago.

But, I am pretty sure that the Beijing pact rumor is now verified and Chis Paul will end up there as well in a year or two and they will dominate. I could be their fifth in that scenario.

has anyone thought that maybe lebron just isn't wired that way?

if cleveland had cap space and lebron took less money so they could add dwade, would you be saying the same thing about him?

if lebron and dwade had both gone to chicago, would that have been better since it wasn't either of "their" team?

it seems like lebron was in a no-win situation to me...

if he goes to miami or chicago, he's a coward who doesn't think he can win on his own.

if he stays in cleveland or goes to ny or nj, he doesn't really want to win.

maybe winning titles and playing with his friends is what is most important to him. why should he pass up a chance to do that just because you guys want him to be more like MJ or kobe.

and i guarantee you kobe is NOT laughing right now.

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has anyone thought that maybe lebron just isn't wired that way?

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i think we're all saying he isn't wired that way. he's wired like a puss.

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i think we're all saying he isn't wired that way. he's wired like a puss.

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Yes. He is not an alpha dog. After this move, there is no way he can be considered one of the greatest ever unles he averages a triple double with 30ppg or something crazy. He basically admitted that he can't be THE guy.

would going to chicago have been pussing out?

He should be downgraded to Queen James.

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would going to chicago have been pussing out?

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No because he would have been the undisputed leader of that team.

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would going to chicago have been pussing out?

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I already posted my opinion on that.

He was going to be hated anyway if he left Cle, but in Chicago he'd still have alpha dog status in tact and it would have been his team on his shoulders. He's told us all that he doesn't want that.

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if he goes to miami or chicago, he's a coward who doesn't think he can win on his own.

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imo, miami was a different situation than chicago. in chicago, he's still the guy. while derrick rose is very good, he would be pippen to LBJ's jordan. in miami, LBJ is going to be pippen to wade's jordan. there's a big difference. he's basically admitted he can't lead a team to a championship, so is gonna piggyback on wade (who's already won one as leader).

lebron would have gotten **** for just about any choice (other than staying with cleveland) but this was just about the worst possible choice he could have made. any other place, he's the unquestioned leader and face of the franchise. I don't see how he becomes "the global icon" when he's not even the best player or leader of his own team. at best, it only helps him get closer to a title.

the other thing that really gets me about him going to miami is that it's the place where there's little pressure. he can defer to wade when things get hard and the fanbase is basically non-existent and apathetic (unless their winning). it just seems like the easy way out.

ultimately, he's free to make the choice he feels like he needs to make, but I don't see how this helps him toward any of his goals (except MAYBE winning championships). but even if he does, he's still not winning them in ways that will shape his legacy. most all time players played with hall of famers or near hall of famers, but they were all THE guy on their teams for some stretch of their careers (and won in that role). I don't know if we'll be able to say that about LBJ.

I just don't get how anybody can bash on lebron for giving up millions and his "king" status in cleveland so that he can win championships.

Would you have rather he gone the amare/johnson route and take the money and have no nope of winning a ring?????????

I didn't like the tv announcement, but you could tell in his eyes that it was a tough decision and very emotinal for him to leave cleveland.

Plus, did you see how his owner ripped him afterwards for "quitting" during the playoffs??? Give me a break, if the owner really thought that then why the hell was he bending over backwards to keep lebron?? Who in their right mind would want to play for a character like that?

Good move Lebron.

That owner was one pissed off mofo.

The same people saying he was afraid to keep going it alone are the same people saying he'd chase the money and doesn't really care about winning.

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I just don't get how anybody can bash on lebron for giving up millions and his "king" status in cleveland so that he can win championships.

Would you have rather he gone the amare/johnson route and take the money and have no nope of winning a ring?????????

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because he's piggy backing on a team with a guy who's already won a championship. say they win...who's going to be the MVP of that team? maybe Lebron, but I guarantee you there will be plenty of talk about how they're really there because of wade, he's the crunchtime guy, etc. Lebron is basically Pau Gasol now. good player, but not the elite "chosen one" he keeps promoting himself as. if he goes to chicago, he has a very good team around him but he's still the unquestioned leader and go to guy.

there's a difference in having a team built around you and being a piece built around someone else. in miami, he's the latter. anywhere else, he's the former. the former is a lot more difficult and ultimately the sign of a true all timer. he's diminished his ceiling tremendously with this move, championships won or not. only way it works out for him is if he somehow does become the unquestioned leader and wade plays pippen to his jordan. but given what we know about both guys and how they play, I don't see that happening. he's following, not leading.

let's see how it plays out in miami before we unquestionably dub dwade the leader of the team. it may very well prove true, but we could also see him miss considerable time during the season and lebron steps up.

they're saying all the right things now...it's not dwade's team, it's not lebron's team, it's "their" team. i tend to agree that it's probably dwade's team by default just because he's been there and won.

interestingly enough, this is kinda shaking out like the a-rod thing. a-rod was considered one of the best in the league, but never won a ring. had to go join the yankees which were (and are) unquestionably jeter's team.

Stay in Cleveland: He's triple teamed every game, never wins a championship, is labeled a 'wasted talent', not because of him, but because he had 0 supporting cast.

Goes to Miami: Wins championships, labeled a coward, villain, puss, etc.

No win for him.

And I guarantee you the Cavs WILL NOT win a championship before the Heat. The owner is borderline retarded to say that.

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Stay in Cleveland: He's triple teamed every game, never wins a championship, is labeled a 'wasted talent', not because of him, but because he had 0 supporting cast.

Goes to Miami: Wins championships, labeled a coward, villain, puss, etc.

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were those his only 2 choices?

i think you guys are also overestimating derrick rose's willingness to give up "alpha dog" status in chicago.

i remember reading a report that rose's preferred list of free agents (in order) were joe johnson, dwade, then lebron.

I think we've all learned that those reports are often full of ****. Rose is a nice player, not a superstar that already was the alpha dog on an NBA champion. It doesn't matter what Rose is willing to surrender, James would still be perceived as THE guy there.

I don't get all the hate. He went to the place where he had the best chance of winning. He found out during htis free agency period that no one wanted to come to Cleveland to play. So why would that change in the future?

Now, if you want to criticise him announcing during a 1 hour special, then I would agree. It was dumb, but this is the same network that was televising his games when he was in high school.

yeah, i'm sure the bulls were not going to sign lebron because rose didn't like him. ummm, ok.

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He went to the place where he had the best chance of winning.

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TBD. I think it's actually easier to make the case Chicago was that team because it's much more of a complete team, as well as a young one with a long window.

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I don't get all the hate. He went to the place where he had the best chance of winning. He found out during htis free agency period that no one wanted to come to Cleveland to play. So why would that change in the future?

Now, if you want to criticise him announcing during a 1 hour special, then I would agree. It was dumb, but this is the same network that was televising his games when he was in high school.

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I think that's exactly why people are upset. sure, it would have sucked for him to leave, but I think if he had come out and said he'd thought long and hard about it and it was a very hard decision because he loves cleveland and ohio so much but ultimately, they couldn't provide what he wanted, I think people would have been upset, but they would have understood. this way, he left AND did it in probably the most mean spirited way he could have done it. don't kick cleveland in the nuts on your way out.

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TBD. I think it's actually easier to make the case Chicago was that team because it's much more of a complete team, as well as a young one with a long window.

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what happens if wade starts having injury issues again?

i dont get the coward angle

he's afraid of not having any rings in cleveland at the age of 31. smart move

Rose and Noah are not Hollywood like James, Wade, and Bosh are. They just want to win. Those other three are worried about brands and imaging.

lebron is still a better player than wade. we will see whose team it is when they start playing the games. this scenario is going to be interesting, Miami will have 10 new faces next year from last years team. also any chance there is a christmas game of lebron and the heat going into cleveland

good thing basketball is played 3 on 3.

Doug - that's exactly my point...he sacrificed the "chosen-one" status, the undisputed MVP, the go-to-guy, a city that loved him and millions in order to win championships. You hear it all day everyday, the greats are defined by rings not season MVP's.

Piggy back??? Give me a break. Wade has won one championship with Shaq. If lebron went to the Lakers and played behind Kobe that would be piggy backing.......

And again, I challenge anybody to name me an NBA team where just one super star led his team to a championship.

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lebron is still a better player than wade. we will see whose team it is when they start playing the games.

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A-Rod is a better player than Jeter, but whose team is it in The Bronx?