was anyone saying the championships weren't valid?

Phil called out the Spurs for the shortened season, questioning the validity of that championship.

how is this the same?

it's a hypothetical argument, not discrediting the championships themselves.

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Phil is not really going out on a limb here

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This.

He's an ******* for saying it, but only a Rockets homer would disagree with him.

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Notice the posters arguing so strongly against the Rockets...

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It goes without saying that generally the people that disagree with Phil are Rocket fans. I think your claim of "bias" is pointed in the wrong direction.

wheeeeee. oh Mass.

Rocket fans have the same reaction to hearing the Jordan break mentioned that chicks do to being called fat.

And yes, the only bias is on the part of Jackson, every non-Houston based sportswriter, and fans of every team but Houston. Rocket fans are the only unbiased observers on this subject.

Whats there to be biased about when I am defending a historical fact?

We won two championships.

The end.

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Whats there to be biased about when I am defending a historical fact?

We won two championships.

The end.

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Fine. Go away now and let the adults talk.

yes sir

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Rocket fans have the same reaction to hearing the Jordan break mentioned that chicks do to being called fat.

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So... basically the same reaction as Spurs fans when its pointed out Hakeem was better than Robinson?

Does this mean our two championships have asterisks next to them?



dammit

Look me in the eye. It's ok if you're scared. So am I. But we're scared for different reasons. I'm scared of what I won't become, and you're scared of what I could become. I won't let myself end where I started. I won't let myself finish where I began. I know what is within me, even if you can't see it yet. I have something more important than courage. I have patience. I will become what I know I am.

Hakeem and Micheal were both drafted in 1984.

From the 1984 through the 1992 seasons the Rockets were 12-6 against the Bulls.

The Rockets swept (2-0) the Bulls in 1984, 85, 87, and 91. The Bulls only swept the Rockets in 88.

During the Bulls 1st 3 Championships the Rockets held a 4-2 record sweeping the 91-92 season.

During the Rockets 2 Championship seasons they were 3-1 vs the Bulls. All games were before Jordan came back.

The final 3 seasons of Jordan's tenure with the Bulls, the Rockets were 2-4 getting swept in 96.

For the most part, the Hakeem led Rockets had the Jordon led Bulls' number. I think the Rockets would have held their own even if Jordan had not retired. The games would have been interesting, but then again, they already were.

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Just imagining Olajuwon for those 2 years going up against the Bulls who typically had horrible big men. It makes me giddy just to think about. Olajuwon would have averaged 40/20 against them, there is absolutely no way the Bulls would have been able to stop him considering the Spurs (with Robinson), the Knicks (with Ewing), and the Magic (with Shaq) were brutalized by him during those 2 years.

It would have been hilarious to try and watch the Bulls scramble around trying to slow him down. For those 2 years, Olajuwon was the best player to ever play the game. That was one of the best peaks of a professional athlete that I have ever seen. It didn't last long, but it was masterful while it occurred.

Also, Jordan played in the East, which was incredibly weak during the 90s. All of the other good teams were all in the West (besides the Knicks). The Bulls could pretty much cruise through the playoffs to the Finals while the West teams beat the crap out of each other. That Bulls team would not have had nearly as much success in the West.

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this very well could be the most moronic thing i've ever read on texags in this thread

this thread is awesome. well done you butthurt rockets fans

Sounds to me like the butthurt lies with the jealous ones..

phil is butthurt and anyone who doubts the rockets titles.



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What does that even mean?

I'm pretty sure ZERO Bulls fans are jealous of the two championships won by the Rockets when MJ was out.

Why do you think the fans posting in this thread would be jealous? Two titles

Why do you think the fans posting in this thread would be jealous? Two titles is a warm up for teams they are fans of.

A+ thread. Would read again.

One thing that is consistant... Phil likes to disparage the titles that he didn't win. I'm sure he has some strong opinions about the few years he couldn't win without Shaq and before Gasol.

I think Hakeem in his prime was as good as any player who has ever played basketball. I heard Robert Horry say the same thing one time.

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Just imagining Olajuwon for those 2 years going up against the Bulls who typically had horrible big men. It makes me giddy just to think about. Olajuwon would have averaged 40/20 against them, there is absolutely no way the Bulls would have been able to stop him considering the Spurs (with Robinson), the Knicks (with Ewing), and the Magic (with Shaq) were brutalized by him during those 2 years.

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Yes, those teams had better centers, but the Bulls were the best interior defensive team in the league at the time (and also the best offensive team in the paint). That is one of the reasons they were so damn good. They also "brutalized" the Ewing Knicks and the Shaq Magic for most of those guy's tenure.

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It would have been hilarious to try and watch the Bulls scramble around trying to slow him down. For those 2 years, Olajuwon was the best player to ever play the game. That was one of the best peaks of a professional athlete that I have ever seen.

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Can you think of any others that were better peaks? I can. MJ's was pretty good.

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Also, Jordan played in the East, which was incredibly weak during the 90s. All of the other good teams were all in the West (besides the Knicks). The Bulls could pretty much cruise through the playoffs to the Finals while the West teams beat the crap out of each other. That Bulls team would not have had nearly as much success in the West.

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I just disagree with this. The eastern conference was not NEARLY as weak in the 90's as it has been of late. During that stretch, Orlando, New York, Indiana, and Cleveland were all very solid teams, and the Alonzo Mourning/Larry Johnson Hornets were also a tough playoff out. Those teams only APPEARED weak because of the way the Bulls spanked them in the playoffs. Beside that, the western conference was considered the "finesse" conference at the time. It was the eastern conference teams like New York, Detroit, Chicago and Miami that beat each other up all the time. Go back and watch some of those New York/Miami playoff series and tell me those teams weren't beating each other up a little.

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i just....i dont know what to say. i love this thread so much.