is what Denver wants.

As a Nuggets fan, this might be the only thing that would allow me to find solace in Melo leaving Denver.

Also I realize its highly unlikely that anyone will give up that many.

Highly unlikely? Try never gonna happen...

NJ can give up 4 in the next two years. But that is a high price to pay for Melo.

A team that thinks they will be a top 6 team for several years might be worth it.

You put it out there that you want five in hopes that the Minnesota Vikings will bite or that other teams will now think that three first round picks doesn't sound quite as preposterous.

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fully convinced you don't read what you type.

or don't have any idea what you're talking about.

I think it was herschel walker reference, he can't be that wrong

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Simplebay's head.

Sorry, that was rude of me.

Simplebay, back in 1989 the Dallas Cowboys (a football team based out of Arlington, TX) had a gentleman on their team by the name of Herschel Walker. He played the position “running back” and was highly prized for his speed, agility, strength, and ability to avoid being tackled while running with a football.

The Dallas Cowboy’s new coach, a gentleman by the name of Jimmy Johnson (no, not the NASCAR driver), decided to trade Mr. Walker in 1989. The Minnesota Vikings (another football team, but based out of Minneapolis) offered an extremely large amount of draft picks and players in exchange for Mr. Walker.

It’s commonly referred to as “the trade” by those who are familiar with the sport of football because of how extremely lopsided the deal was. It played a large part in the Dallas Cowboys winning the NFL championship game, commonly referred to as the “Super Bowl” three times.

My post was an attempt at humor in referencing how unbalanced it would be for somebody to trade five first round draft picks for Mr. Anthony.

Simplebay fails again

While I don't think anyone will bite, the difference between NFL and NBA draft picks is that in the NBA, after the first 15 picks, the remaining 75% of the draft is mostly role players or bench players.

Take a team like the Boston Celtics, who have drafted late in the draft recently. Would the average team rather have Carmello (4-7 years on contract) or the following 5 players: Avery Bradley, J.R. Giddens, Jeff Green, Randy Foye, and Gerald Green. Those 5 players are the last 5 Celtic first round picks, which includes the pre-Garnett/Allen years.

I would take Carmello, especially if your team is ok going into luxury tax land.

i dont speakkkk NFL

i just consistently pwn soupy sales and his old ass spurs team good to see i still say jump and you ask how high soupy. i've missed you the past few years ol boy since your spurs blew donkey balls

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You somehow get a little sadder and more pathetic every year. I'm not quite sure how that's possible. Don't worry! You'll find that special fella on WoW someday!

wow... Simplebay was just flat out embarrassed on this thread

Oh my god

Simplebay is basically a sports almanac.

It is a dumb comparison to make, between a game where 5 players are playing at a time, and 11.

Regardless, Simplebay tried to act like an ass and it got thrown back in his face.

PatAg, do you realize the comparison is the lopsidedness of the trade and not the fact that a center means something different in football than basketball?

Wow, tennerman is owning hard. Best post in the BO in a while.

I <3 Tennerman for showing me the err in my ways.

thank you for confirming in basketball other i don't know much about the NFL

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There is some interesting irony in that thread as near the beginning, Marc Gasol is considering a better than OK Center (and he probably is in the top 5-6 for Rebounds/points combo from centers), but by the end of the thread he's not even considered an instrumental part of the Pau trade.

PatAg, I disagree completely. In fact, it's probably about as good of a comparison as one could make in regards to this.

Again, while I appreciate the Vikings allusion, I don't feel it is nearly that lopsided of a trade, especially for a top team that continues drafts low in the draft.

Consider what many on here was the most lopsided trade in history. Pau Gasol was traded for Javaris Crittendo (a rookie 1st rounder), 2 first rounders, and Marc Gasol, who was the MVP of the Spanish League and ended up being on the All Rookie team, and would have been a lottery pick had he not already been drafted (plus a lot of cap space).


So Carmello for 5 first rounders is lopsided in the Nuggets favor, but Pau for basically 4 first rounders and cap space is incredibly lopsided in the Laker's favor?

To me, if a team like the Mavericks actually had 5 draft 1st rounders to trade for Carmello, they would need to strongly consider that deal (if they were guaranteed the extension).

Turning Marc Gasol into a first round pick is an awfuly convenient way to make that argument. If you’re going to give him credit for a league MVP title he hadn’t won yet, you can’t then call Crittendon a first rounder because he turned out to be ****.

To be fair, Crittenton is probably one of the top 10 players to almost be murdered by Agent Zero.

Crittendon, Damion James, and Dominque Jones,not Aaron Brooks, are typical end of draft talent. At the time of the trade, JC was getting decent minutes on a playoff caliber team. Likewise, at the time of the trade, Gasol was easily one of the top players in the Spanish league.

Why do you think it would be so tough to see that Marc was one of the Spanish League's top players at the time, and a potential MVP candidate? It's no different than trying to pick the NBA's MVP. It will be the best player on one of the top 3-4 teams. Can you not guess in January what 3-5 players might receive that award this summer? The central features of that trade were cap space and Marc Gasol-not Kwame and McKie.

The Nuggets can easily get 5 1st rounders if 2 other teams are involved in a 3 way. Someone create a trade where Mavs and Rockets send picks, Roddy B and expirings to Denver. Then Rockets get Melo and Mavs get Kevin Martin plus quality veteran role players. I'll work on it later

Crittendon ranked 13th in MPG for players on the Lakers at that time.

Call Marc Gasol a 'lottery pick' if you wish, I have no problem with that. However, if you are going to change him from 48th overall to a lottery pick based on production you can't still call Crittendon "basically" a first rounder.

I could see them ending up with five picks in a mega multi team trade but not from one team.

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I think the Rockets would have to get a lot more than Melo to give up 2-3 first and Kevin Martin.

Houston Gets:
Melo

Dallas Gets:
Martin

Denver Gets:
Jefferies
RoddyB
Butler

But if Houston gave up Martin and Jefferies, not sure they would want to give up 2-3 firsts. And would Dallas give up Butler+2-3 picks for Martin? I doubt it.

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Why? Isn't the goal of acquiring all these assets to trade for a veteran superstar?


Not sure if this works salary wise but should be close:
Houston gets:
Melo (with a signed extension)
Brendan Haywood (with assurances that he starts trying again)

Dallas gets:
Martin
Battier (expiring)
Courtney Lee

Denver gets:
Roddy B
Butler's expiring contract
2 picks from Dallas
Terrence Williams
Jeffries
1 pick from Houston

Dumb. Why would Houston give up it's only two shooting guards?

All of these proposed trades are ridiculous anyway, but Houston would never force itself to start two PG or two SF.