The Grizzlies ended up trading Crittendon to the Wizards and they got for their own first round draft pick back.

So he was a 1st rounder, and he was traded for a first round draft pick.

So he's basically equivalent to a first round draft pick.

Touche but you are still using different and conflicting criteria to shoe horn those two players into 'basically' first round draft picks.

I could see 5 picks only if Melo signs a new contract first

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Again, while I appreciate the Vikings allusion, I don't feel it is nearly that lopsided of a trade, especially for a top team that continues drafts low in the draft.

Consider what many on here was the most lopsided trade in history. Pau Gasol was traded for Javaris Crittendo (a rookie 1st rounder), 2 first rounders, and Marc Gasol, who was the MVP of the Spanish League and ended up being on the All Rookie team, and would have been a lottery pick had he not already been drafted (plus a lot of cap space).


So Carmello for 5 first rounders is lopsided in the Nuggets favor, but Pau for 2 first rounders, a rookie first rounder that they would flip for a first round draft pick, and Marc Gasol who was at the time a dominant player in his league and ended up on the All-Rookie team and cap space is incredibly lopsided in the Laker's favor?

To me, if a team like the Mavericks actually had 5 draft 1st rounders to trade for Carmello, they would need to strongly consider that deal (if they were guaranteed the extension).

Moreover, since a team is not allowed to trade consecutive draft picks (1st round) and are only allowed to trade draft picks up to 7 years in advance, it would be impossible for a team to trade 5 first round draft picks (although they may be able to creatively do so).

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Gasol was MVP of ACB after he was traded. The season before he was traded, he averaged 10.8/5.5 on 62%.

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Moreover, since a team is not allowed to trade consecutive draft picks (1st round) and are only allowed to trade draft picks up to 7 years in advance, it would be impossible for a team to trade 5 first round draft picks (although they may be able to creatively do so).

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You actually can by stockpiling other team's picks. You can also trade the right to exchange picks.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=37wz5zc

Denver doesn't want Petro, but that might not be a dealbreaker.

Detroit needs at least a draft pick. Dumars to fans: "Sorry we didn't draft Melo in '03, but now we are facilitating moving him to the East and uniting him with the best 2 scorers from our championship team. And for that we are getting expiring contracts and Kris Humphries' Bird Rights. If you loved what we did with our cap space in 2009 then wait till you see our plans for 2011"

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The rumor is that that is the three team trade du jour. But there were no specifics other than melo, billups and rip going to nj with detroit cutting spending and denver getting harris and favors. I just tried to get salaried to match

Deal looks almost done with Detroit taking just Petro and Murphy for Rip. I was way off on what they would get for Rip. Denver holding the deal up - probably fielding last minute desperation calls from other teams. Woj has Denver getting Harris, Favors, Anthony Morrow and 2 picks

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Recap of proposed deal: Melo, Rip, Billups, Williams, Carter -NJ; Harris, Favors, Morrow, Uzoh, Graham, Ross, 2 1sts-DEN; Murph, Petro- DET

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Wow-

PG- Billups/Farmar/Carter
SG- Hamilton/Vujacic
SF- Anthony/Outlaw/James
PF- Humphries/Williams
C- Lopez/Williams

Great guard play, great starting lineup, a little slim on talent at PF/C. Overall this would put NJ back in the eastern conference discussion, IMO.

Discussion for what? Playoffs? Sure. Contention into the finals? No way. Hamilton has clearly taken a step back this season and Billups is already asking to be bought out if the trade happens.

I don't see how this trade improves Carmelo's position at all really.

That's not a really exciting roster to me. They'll be solid, but I'm not seeing how this makes them a real contender.

Hamilton isn't as good as we think, but Humphries and Lopez are better than we think.

Lopez is the real deal.

That's what I was thinking. If you can convince Billups to stick around, and Hamilton to just spot up and not suck, the rest of the lineup ('melo, Humphries, Lopez) might be the best front court in the east. Just add a little depth.

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Lopez is ok, but it I'm the Nets, I'm not too excited about a center who plays 35 MPG but can't drag down more the 6 rebounds on average being my franchise guy. Good scorer... not a very complete player.

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That's what I was thinking. If you can convince Billups to stick around, and Hamilton to just spot up and not suck, the rest of the lineup ('melo, Humphries, Lopez) might be the best front court in the east.

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That's a bold statement. I'd take Orlando's, Boston's (when healthy), and Chicago's over the Nets still.

I agree. I think LA and Boston have the best front courts in the NBA when healthy and happy. Followed by DeJuan Blair playing alone.

Lopez was pulling down almost 9 last year.

That's the makings of a good team, but if Chauncey doesn't want to be there, you don't want him.

Chauncey would be scary on Miami, but Miami has no chips.

Maybe you can work a team like Portland in there who could really use Harris. Maybe Dallas would seek Harris back. I think a Kidd and Harris backcourt would work nicely, since Kidd is better suited to guarding SGs now anyway. Houston has some nice chips and I think Harris would be a better starting PG than Brooks or Lowry when used correctly.

Right or wrong, I'm operating under the assumption that Boston will not finish the year "healthy and happy".

Orlando is pretty nice though with Howard/Bass/Hedo. Definitely deeper.

Obviously LA is the cream of the crop but I was speaking more about eastern conference teams.

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Consider what many on here was the most lopsided trade in history. Pau Gasol was traded for Javaris Crittendo (a rookie 1st rounder), 2 first rounders, and Marc Gasol, who was the MVP of the Spanish League and ended up being on the All Rookie team, and would have been a lottery pick had he not already been drafted (plus a lot of cap space).

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Again, you call Gasol a lottery pick based on performance AFTER the trade but call "Crittendo" a 1st rounder based on his draft position BEFORE the trade. The two don't mix.

BTW, it's Crittenton not Crittendo.

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I always find guys who put up ok numbers on brutally bad teams like the Nets fishy when they've gone years on good teams and didn't see the floor much (Humphries). I understand he's played behind some very good power forwards, but with rare exception, coaches will find a way to incorporate you and put you on the court if you help the team THAT much. That's a big reason I'm selling the idea that a Carmelo, Humphries, and Lopez front line will be one of the elite in the NBA should it come to fruition.

As far as the trade itself goes, I sort of hope it goes down just because of Carmelo I think it's a downgrade for Carmelo's situation this season. The guys they have around him in Denver are pretty underrated in my opinion.

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Again, you call Gasol a lottery pick based on performance AFTER the trade but call "Crittendo" a 1st rounder based on his draft position BEFORE the trade. The two don't mix.

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No he didn't. He said that Crittendon was traded to the Wizards for a 1st round pick AFTER the trade. So Crittendon was worth a 1st round pick at times both before and after the trade.

And thank you for clarifying how to spell Crittendon. I know was confused. That adds a lot to the thread.

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The guys they have around him in Denver are pretty underrated in my opinion.

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I know. I saw someone say that if Melo really wanted to play with Rip then he should just have the Nuggets trade for him. Obviously he wants to go to the big market. I don't know why he won't just wait and sign with the Knicks. What's the rush? Just go through the motions like Bosh last year.

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My leader Bill Simmons just answered my question - I forgot about lockout implications on max salaries. Carmelo needs an extend-and-trade before Feb 15 or else he risks signing a post-lockout extension for much less guaranteed money

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If the Knicks acquire Anthony before February's trade deadline, they could immediately give him a three-year, $65 million extension. If they sign him as a 2011 free agent, there's no way to know what can be offered in a post-lockout wasteland. What if nobody is allowed more than a four-year deal? What if no contract can exceed $14 million a year? What if the cap plunges by $10 million per team? By not locking down that extension now, Carmelo might cost himself $15 million to $20 million.

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